A proper proposal or Bribes for Blacks? NFL incentivizing minority hires (1 Viewer)

[Gawain]

According to Friday's report, the change under discussion would offer teams that hire a minority candidate for a senior executive position such as general manager or as a head coach an improved selection spot in latter stages of the draft

I get the idea in theory, but ugh, the application doesn't sit well.

Full details

1. Teams move up six slots in the third round for hiring a minority head coach, or 10 spots in the third round for hiring a person of color as its general manager (or whatever title it gives to the person who builds the team).

2. If a team hires a minority coach and GM, it jumps 16 spots.

3. Teams would get bonuses for keeping minorities in those positions.

 

[dkp993]

I get the idea in theory, but ugh, the application doesn't sit well.

Me 100%.  Feels extremely forced, but understand it’s a real problem.  

 

[Summer Wheat]

It states minority candidates...lets get us some Latinos in there.  My BIL is an up an coming small college assistant right now.

 

[Gawain]

A female kicker is worth 5 point field goals, maybe?

 

[[scooter]]

Step 1: hire minority coach and GM

Step 2: get draft picks

Step 3: fire minority coach and GM

 

[huthut]

I get the idea in theory, but ugh, the application doesn't sit well.

Yea, I get they are trying to hire more minority coaches, but adding some tangible reward to it makes it feel kind of off. I don't really have any good solution in mind, maybe a coaches combine and a coaching draft so it is not just nothing but sons of other coaches getting hired, I dunno. Alternatively all of the head coaches somehow become highly paid assistant coaches that still make all of the decisions. 

 

[squistion]

I get the idea in theory, but ugh, the application doesn't sit well.

The Rooney Rule in its present form has been ineffective.  

I am not sure of the current numbers, but in 2014, NFL players were 68% African-American and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.

Currently there are only 2 black GMs & 4 HCs of color, matching 17-year low. That doesn't make sense unless one believes that African Americans make good players, but lack what is needed to be a HC or GM.

I don't know what the answer is but this potential solution doesn't sit well with me. I am not too sure if I were black I would feel comfortable taking a HC job with the public perception being that it wasn't based on merit or qualifications but rather a lower draft pick. 

 

[djmich]

A female kicker is worth 5 point field goals, maybe?

White wide receivers need to be spotted 3 extra yards per catch for sure.

 

[Gawain]

in 2014, NFL players were 68% African-American and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.

I actually go the other way. There's something that makes African Americans better NFL players than the random American male. Whatever that advantage is doesn't carry over to coaching / GMing.

Currently there are only 2 black GMs & 4 HCs of color, matching 17-year low. That doesn't make sense unless one believes that African Americans make good players, but lack what is needed to be a HC or GM.

This only makes sense if a prerequisite of being a GM/HC is to have been a NFL player. I don't think results support that hypothesis at all.

I don't know what the answer is but this potential solution doesn't sit well with me. I am not too sure if I were black I would feel comfortable taking a HC job with the public perception being that it wasn't based on merit or qualifications but rather a lower draft pick. 

If my company said that it was promoting all overweight, prematurely graying 40 year olds, I''d swallow my pride and take the money.

 

[Cjw_55106]

The NFL is so woke. 

 

[BladeRunner]

Now transplant the word "minority"with the word "white" to get an idea how racist that is.

So the idea is to fight racism with more racism I guess.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The problem with this and the Rooney rule is that it is focused on the top.   If you are going to reward teams with draft picks (an  argument where I'm on the fence so ignoring)  then NFL teams should be getting supplemental draft picks for hiring minorities for those "low man on the totem pole" positions in coaching and in the front office and then get rewarded more supplemental picks as these guys advance up the ladder.   When the minority version of '75 Colts Belichick moves from "assistant to whatever" to  a position coach the Colts should get another supplemental pick even if it is with another team.  When he becomes defensive (or offensive) coordinator another extra pick.  When he becomes head coach another.   It will take a while and be less glamorous but this would be how you get minorities throughout the coaching ranks.

Same for front office jobs.  Reward teams as minority hires go from the nothing job they were first hired for to regional scout to scouting director to assistant GM to GM (or whatever).  

Since this is the political forum it is the same mistake that third parties that run presidential candidates and not much else.   This change needs to happen from the bottom up.

 

[BladeRunner]

The problem with this and the Rooney rule is that it is focused on the top.   If you are going to reward teams with draft picks (an  argument where I'm on the fence so ignoring)  then NFL teams should be getting supplemental draft picks for hiring minorities for those "low man on the totem pole" positions in coaching and in the front office and then get rewarded more supplemental picks as these guys advance up the ladder.   When the minority version of '75 Colts Belichick moves from "assistant to whatever" to  a position coach the Colts should get another supplemental pick even if it is with another team.  When he becomes defensive (or offensive) coordinator another extra pick.  When he becomes head coach another.   It will take a while and be less glamorous but this would be how you get minorities throughout the coaching ranks.

Same for front office jobs.  Reward teams as minority hires go from the nothing job they were first hired for to regional scout to scouting director to assistant GM to GM (or whatever).  

Since this is the political forum it is the same mistake that third parties that run presidential candidates and not much else.   This change needs to happen from the bottom up.

No it doesn't. You don't fight racism with more racism.

 

[Max Power]

Does it count if they identify as a minority? 

 

[lakerstan]

NHL and NASCAR slowly backed out of the room, hoping nobody noticed their presence....

 

[knowledge dropper]

What about an organization that already had a minority in place?  Do they get credit? Is the shark move to paper fire them every year and give them a new contract?  
 

This is so dumb.  Bring back the developmental league and focus on mostly minority coaches to create a good farm system.  I still think there is a market for spring football if done well.  
 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

No it doesn't. You don't fight racism with more racism.

No it doesn't what?   The second sentence is relevant to this thread of course, but doesn't make sense with respect to any statements I made.  I posted from the position of assuming  that the NFL had already decide to "fight racism with more racism" without comment other than being on the fence.

 

[zftcg]

I’d love to see more minority hires but something about this just feels off

 

[BladeRunner]

I’d love to see more minority hires but something about this just feels off

Uhm...yeah.  It's racist.

What if we replaced the word "minority" with "white"?  

 

[zftcg]

Uhm...yeah.  It's racist.

What if we replaced the word "minority" with "white"?  

If only it were that easy 

 

[BladeRunner]

If only it were that easy 

It is. That should tell you how racist it is.  Anytime you give preferential treatment to one race over the other you're being racist.

 

[zftcg]

It is. That should tell you how racist it is.  Anytime you give preferential treatment to one race over the other you're being racist.

Your opposition to all forms of affirmative action is noted

 

[Sand]

Does 1/1024 minority DNA count?

 

[Summer Wheat]

If we are talking about total league employment demographics the majority are blacks. The minorities would be whites, Asians and Hispanics.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

If we are talking about total league employment demographics the majority are blacks. The minorities would be whites, Asians and Hispanics.

Are you sure about that?

"The 32 NFL teams employ on average 3,739 people each, including players, concession workers (25,000+) and office staff."   link    What does the NFL office employ?   

 

[Snotbubbles]

Are you sure about that?

"The 32 NFL teams employ on average 3,739 people each, including players, concession workers (25,000+) and office staff."   link    What does the NFL office employ?   

Do concession workers really count as NFL employees?  The Eagles, for example, contract concession out to Aramark, so the workers employment status is handled by Aramark.   

 

[BladeRunner]

Your opposition to all forms of affirmative action is noted

I oppose all racist policies. 

But your acceptance of racist policies is also duly noted.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Do concession workers really count as NFL employees?  The Eagles, for example, contract concession out to Aramark, so the workers employment status is handled by Aramark.   

Maybe not.   That number probably is rather indirect.  But the point remains that each NFL team have more office employees than they do players and coaches.

 

[zftcg]

I oppose all racist policies. 

But your acceptance of racist policies is also duly noted.

Trump voter says what?

 

[Grahamburn]

Teams should be rewarded with wins because they’ve hired the correct candidates. 
 

Race shouldn’t be a factor. Ever. 

 

[lod001]

A total insult to all minorities. Hey minorities, because apparently you are not as good, in order to rectify that, the NFL will compensate the team with a better draft pick. Yeah, great idea.

Teams should be rewarded with wins because they’ve hired the correct candidates. 
 

Race shouldn’t be a factor. Ever. 

Based on compensation for hiring minorities, then losing teams that hired white guys and keeps losing should drop spots in the draft.   

They can recoup that spot lost if they hire a minority. 

This whole idea is so insane it makes me think we are in the Matrix.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Trump voter says what?

Stop with this nonsense. 

 

[Football Jones]

Reward for hiring minorities? LOL.

That's a slippery slope, isn't it?

I'm all for hiring minorities in the NFL through policy, though.

 

[Stealthycat]

i think anytime there is that big a disparity, something needs done

like... 32 NFL teams, 32 starting RB's,  if like 31 of them are all one race, then the NFL needs to step in and make sure more of the other races are drafted/play etc

if not, then the NFL is really saying that one race is better are performing at that position - and that's not right, its racist

isn't it ?

 

[Da Guru]

The draft choice incentive is dead in the water and will not happen.  That was never going to happen.  Like anything ask for more than what you want then settle for what you wanted in the first place.

Team owners did agree to expand the interview process to more candidates.  That is a good thing.

 

[kface]

The draft choice incentive is dead in the water and will not happen.  That was never going to happen.  Like anything ask for more than what you want then settle for what you wanted in the first place.

Team owners did agree to expand the interview process to more candidates.  That is a good thing.

I think this is the correct analysis here for sure...