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Aaron Hernandez - Dropable? (1 Viewer)

yoadrian

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Thinking about dropping him, saw all of the NE-IND game and it seemed pretty much like the PIT game where they had Gronk in most of the snaps, Hernandez was in there some of the time but then he'd get rotated in for Crumpler. You also have a healthy Branch, emerging Woodhead. I'm pretty concerned this might be a trend and even though he did get a TD this week it seems way too unpredictable at this point.

 
Aside from Brady (and in the past, Welker), NE players are always inconsistent. They change up the game plan from week to week and don't really worry about making players happy. That's good for winning; not so good for fantasy.

 
Right but you have a guy that was the leading receiver in targets up until week 9, then gets 2 catches in the last 2 weeks. Yuk!

 
yoadrian said:
Right but you have a guy that was the leading receiver in targets up until week 9, then gets 2 catches in the last 2 weeks. Yuk!
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Well, I am agreeing with you. But the thing is that they will use players with special skill sets as it suits their game plan. He has a special skill set but so do Gronkowski and Woodhead. Hard to argue with the results even though I hate Bellicheat.
 
yoadrian said:
Right but you have a guy that was the leading receiver in targets up until week 9, then gets 2 catches in the last 2 weeks. Yuk!
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I'm sorry I meant, 1 catch in the last 2 weeks. I think I'd rather count on someone like Dreessen or Scaife instead of this guy from here on out. But then who knows, 1 week later I'll regret it
 
I dropped him the week after I watched the Pittsburgh game.

Like I said in 3 seperate posts then, I can take a zero. I don't like a zero but I can take one if there's a good reason for it. The reason Hernandez got a zero is he wasn't hardly in the game. That was part of the game plan, keeping Hernandez on he sideline....and he said it like it's a good thing.

Part of the game plan or not, I can't have my TE not in the game. I am a football coach (only high school) but I can tell you I don't sit my best players as part of a game plan.

"Hmm, let's see here. I'm going to bench Hernandez since he's one of my top receiving threats to throw off the defense and throw to all of these other guys to beat the Steelers."

No, they benched him because Gronkowski gave them the better chance to win....and it worked magnificently. Right now the Patriots don't need Hernandez, they have Branch and Welker running all these little routes.

Hernandez played a little more this game than he did against the Steelers, but I watched Hernandez run routes. He doesn't get any seperation, not quick enough. I watch him run routes and I'm watching those little receivers and it's not a contest...Brady isn't going to throw to him compared to those guys, he's a decoy at best on those routes.

1 target, 1 8 yard catch for a TD. You are not someone I want to start when you get 1 target in a game, especially when you pass as much as NE does. 1 target, that's ridiculous.

 
Assuming re-draft here.

Dropped AH for a 2nd kicker last week - for the playoff run. Rolling w/ Pettigrew (non ppr).

I did hang on w/ AH through the 2 td game, but last week was rough for those who started him, and the TD saved an otherwise *meh* game this week. I guess I just don't trust that he'll continue to get the targets - but that's just my guess.

 
Until Gates comes back to full time work ... there just isn't a good TE left. Tamme is the closest thing to an elite TE right now and most of that is on Peyton.

VD is banged up, Clark is out, Finley is out, Gates is probably out, Cooley/pettigrew have PPR value, Miller needs Gradkowski to even get looks, Marcedes lewis seems to be the most consistent because he is a big red zone target ... there just isn't a whole lot to hang your hate on here right now

 
Pats fan here and I'm buying as my second TE in a redraft after Finley left me and Winslow has been nothing special. In dynasty I'm on this guy like a fly on stink. HE just turned 21 so is legal to drink. He will have big games with the right match ups - JETS, GB I think. Both teams are more balanced on D and will need him.

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I am starting Hernandez tomorrow in 2 leagues. One over Gates who I don't think will play and another over Gresham and Celek.

He should find some space against the Lions. If he doesn't have a startable game against them then how can you trust him after 1 catch in the last 2 games.

 
Lions give up the 3rd least points to TEs. Don't think it's an easy matchup for Hernandez even if it's an easy matchup for Brady. That and having his snap count being lower than Crumplers two games in a row leaves you with little faith. His next matchup is a good one though since he had his only 100 yard game against the Jets but that was when Moss was there so this time might be different. Don't see much upside left with Hernandez anymore. Only thing is that he has been scoring TDs so if he could combine that with the yardage he got earlier in the year then he would be a monster. Considering dropping him as Gates backup.

 
I was drinking the kool-aid all year with this kid. After realizing that Gronk graded out higher pre-draft and that Belichek likes multiple-use guys, Gronk will be on the field more because he can block. Hernandez has some good skill, but they don't have outside weapons like before with Moss. I believe his absence will hurt Hernandez the most. Safeties can now get inside and cover up Hernandez. I don't see that changing the rest of this year or next for that matter. Will Tate become a huge force? I doubt it because he still has a long way to go with route running and blocking to be on the field all the time. So I have changed my stance on Hernandez a lot over the past few years from "the next Dallas Clark" to a top-10 TE (but with that position so muddled after the top 4 or so, does it really matter all that much?). Moeaki and Graham have more potential upside in the coming years in my opinion.

 
Can't see dropping in most leagues as the waiver wire looks kinda thin at TE with all the injuries and poor performing TEs like Celek etc. FBG has Hernandez ranked #13 going forward right behind Z Miller.( the other underperforming TE I own) Graham is out there in a lot of leagues but what will his value be if Shockey comes back? FBG has Graham ranked #21 going forward. I'd hate to be stuck with Miller and Graham in the playoffs. 2 games ago NE had plans on running against a poor run defense so Hernandez not being much of a blocking TE wasn't in there much. I'm hoping Hernandez is in there more when they look to pass.

 
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anyone rolling out Hernandez today with any confidence?

 
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CrossEyed said:
Will drop him this week to try to snag Blair White and just roll with Witten at TE the rest of the season.
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Witten has turned into a pumpkin (blocker). he gets 2rec on first drive and then blocks for the rest of the game. decoy at his best.
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I dropped him the week after I watched the Pittsburgh game. Like I said in 3 seperate posts then, I can take a zero. I don't like a zero but I can take one if there's a good reason for it. The reason Hernandez got a zero is he wasn't hardly in the game. That was part of the game plan, keeping Hernandez on he sideline....and he said it like it's a good thing.Part of the game plan or not, I can't have my TE not in the game. I am a football coach (only high school) but I can tell you I don't sit my best players as part of a game plan. "Hmm, let's see here. I'm going to bench Hernandez since he's one of my top receiving threats to throw off the defense and throw to all of these other guys to beat the Steelers."No, they benched him because Gronkowski gave them the better chance to win....and it worked magnificently. Right now the Patriots don't need Hernandez, they have Branch and Welker running all these little routes. Hernandez played a little more this game than he did against the Steelers, but I watched Hernandez run routes. He doesn't get any seperation, not quick enough. I watch him run routes and I'm watching those little receivers and it's not a contest...Brady isn't going to throw to him compared to those guys, he's a decoy at best on those routes.1 target, 1 8 yard catch for a TD. You are not someone I want to start when you get 1 target in a game, especially when you pass as much as NE does. 1 target, that's ridiculous.
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Hernandez was benched for Gronk against Pitt to help block. this is a no brainer and did you see what Brady did with all the time? he destroyed the Pitt secondary. Pitt thrives on making you make bad decision. Gronk can block. Hernandez can not. Then once they dummied the steelers into thinking he was just blocking, he leaked out and caught a td (3 times) if you do not fix your problem Belichick will exploit you.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I dropped him the week after I watched the Pittsburgh game. Like I said in 3 seperate posts then, I can take a zero. I don't like a zero but I can take one if there's a good reason for it. The reason Hernandez got a zero is he wasn't hardly in the game. That was part of the game plan, keeping Hernandez on he sideline....and he said it like it's a good thing.Part of the game plan or not, I can't have my TE not in the game. I am a football coach (only high school) but I can tell you I don't sit my best players as part of a game plan. "Hmm, let's see here. I'm going to bench Hernandez since he's one of my top receiving threats to throw off the defense and throw to all of these other guys to beat the Steelers."No, they benched him because Gronkowski gave them the better chance to win....and it worked magnificently. Right now the Patriots don't need Hernandez, they have Branch and Welker running all these little routes. Hernandez played a little more this game than he did against the Steelers, but I watched Hernandez run routes. He doesn't get any seperation, not quick enough. I watch him run routes and I'm watching those little receivers and it's not a contest...Brady isn't going to throw to him compared to those guys, he's a decoy at best on those routes.1 target, 1 8 yard catch for a TD. You are not someone I want to start when you get 1 target in a game, especially when you pass as much as NE does. 1 target, that's ridiculous.
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excellent post . . . seriously . . .I am not disputing anything you said , but I thought that separating (or elusiveness) was AH's strength . . .
 
duaneok66 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I dropped him the week after I watched the Pittsburgh game. Like I said in 3 seperate posts then, I can take a zero. I don't like a zero but I can take one if there's a good reason for it. The reason Hernandez got a zero is he wasn't hardly in the game. That was part of the game plan, keeping Hernandez on he sideline....and he said it like it's a good thing.Part of the game plan or not, I can't have my TE not in the game. I am a football coach (only high school) but I can tell you I don't sit my best players as part of a game plan. "Hmm, let's see here. I'm going to bench Hernandez since he's one of my top receiving threats to throw off the defense and throw to all of these other guys to beat the Steelers."No, they benched him because Gronkowski gave them the better chance to win....and it worked magnificently. Right now the Patriots don't need Hernandez, they have Branch and Welker running all these little routes. Hernandez played a little more this game than he did against the Steelers, but I watched Hernandez run routes. He doesn't get any seperation, not quick enough. I watch him run routes and I'm watching those little receivers and it's not a contest...Brady isn't going to throw to him compared to those guys, he's a decoy at best on those routes.1 target, 1 8 yard catch for a TD. You are not someone I want to start when you get 1 target in a game, especially when you pass as much as NE does. 1 target, that's ridiculous.
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excellent post . . . seriously . . .I am not disputing anything you said , but I thought that separating (or elusiveness) was AH's strength . . .
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Yes...ditto...I thank you for this post, as I was ready to start Hernedaz over Tony G this week...it is pretty appartent that AH is not really a big part of the game plan anymore as Bellicheck looks as if he is determined to use every available player he has, just to shoot different looks.If this continues the whole game, yes, I am going to drop him for a player that might have a little more upside in terms of seeing targets.
 
Ugh. I started him because he was my only healthy alternative. With family here I haven't been able to sit and watch every play, but it seems like a really low # of snaps where he's on the field. He felt like a decent gamble with the match-up and his (alleged) down the field ability, but I think I'll toss him back out there and let him be someone else's headache.

 
I dropped him this past week after the no-show the last two weeks. Not his fault, but I was able to get Pettigrew who gets a ton more targets. Pettigrew will do fine until Gates (if) comes back.

 
fdctrumpet said:
I was drinking the kool-aid all year with this kid. After realizing that Gronk graded out higher pre-draft and that Belichek likes multiple-use guys, Gronk will be on the field more because he can block. Hernandez has some good skill, but they don't have outside weapons like before with Moss. I believe his absence will hurt Hernandez the most. Safeties can now get inside and cover up Hernandez. I don't see that changing the rest of this year or next for that matter. Will Tate become a huge force? I doubt it because he still has a long way to go with route running and blocking to be on the field all the time. So I have changed my stance on Hernandez a lot over the past few years from "the next Dallas Clark" to a top-10 TE (but with that position so muddled after the top 4 or so, does it really matter all that much?). Moeaki and Graham have more potential upside in the coming years in my opinion.
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you have had an impression of hernandez for a couple of years now? Pretty impressive, considering he was a 4th rounder...
 
lazyike said:
Can't see dropping in most leagues as the waiver wire looks kinda thin at TE with all the injuries and poor performing TEs like Celek etc. FBG has Hernandez ranked #13 going forward right behind Z Miller.( the other underperforming TE I own) Graham is out there in a lot of leagues but what will his value be if Shockey comes back? FBG has Graham ranked #21 going forward. I'd hate to be stuck with Miller and Graham in the playoffs. 2 games ago NE had plans on running against a poor run defense so Hernandez not being much of a blocking TE wasn't in there much. I'm hoping Hernandez is in there more when they look to pass.
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Guess I'm done with him also. No reason to keep a guy who is only on the field for a few snaps a game.
 
lazyike said:
lazyike said:
Can't see dropping in most leagues as the waiver wire looks kinda thin at TE with all the injuries and poor performing TEs like Celek etc. FBG has Hernandez ranked #13 going forward right behind Z Miller.( the other underperforming TE I own) Graham is out there in a lot of leagues but what will his value be if Shockey comes back? FBG has Graham ranked #21 going forward. I'd hate to be stuck with Miller and Graham in the playoffs. 2 games ago NE had plans on running against a poor run defense so Hernandez not being much of a blocking TE wasn't in there much. I'm hoping Hernandez is in there more when they look to pass.
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Guess I'm done with him also. No reason to keep a guy who is only on the field for a few snaps a game.
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That's what it comes down to really, the guy isn't on the field nearly enough.Yes, I understand that they needed Gronkowski for blocking against Pittsburgh, but he had 3 Tds, he showed he can catch. What happened early on versus Detroit? Detroit was hitting Brady and they made some adjustments and Hernandez came off the field and Gronkowski started catching balls...NE started rolling with Gronk in there. He won't start another game for me. I've watched every play of the last 3 weeks of NE and Hernandez isn't in the game enough and it's not like he's a goaline specialist when he is in, in fact he's the opposite.
 
Finally a TD from Hernandez. The Jets secondary is really getting exposed tonight. I may roll with him next week vs Chicago.

 
It's a tough situation with this guy. Everything went Ne's way, Hernandez certainly looked good, but who didn't for the Pats.

I will say Brady seems to kind of like this kid. Brafy wad fired up after his first big catch and run. He got right in his face and let him know that was a big play and that he like what he saw. He hit him again for another decent gain and finally caught that 1 yard Td pass that was definately designed for him.

He got over 100 yards the first game versus the Jets and now this game against the Jets.

I'd bump him slightly after this but I'd temper my expectations as Belichick uses any player he feels will cause a problem for opposing defenses. Apparently he feels the Jets have problems covering a TE, hence the two big gamed.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
It's a tough situation with this guy. Everything went Ne's way, Hernandez certainly looked good, but who didn't for the Pats.I will say Brady seems to kind of like this kid. Brafy wad fired up after his first big catch and run. He got right in his face and let him know that was a big play and that he like what he saw. He hit him again for another decent gain and finally caught that 1 yard Td pass that was definately designed for him.He got over 100 yards the first game versus the Jets and now this game against the Jets.I'd bump him slightly after this but I'd temper my expectations as Belichick uses any player he feels will cause a problem for opposing defenses. Apparently he feels the Jets have problems covering a TE, hence the two big gamed.
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supposedly Zone Defense = GronkMan to Man = AaronI'm in a PPR league so its driving me nutsAnyone know what type of coverage defense GB plays?
 
bryan215 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
It's a tough situation with this guy. Everything went Ne's way, Hernandez certainly looked good, but who didn't for the Pats.

I will say Brady seems to kind of like this kid. Brafy wad fired up after his first big catch and run. He got right in his face and let him know that was a big play and that he like what he saw. He hit him again for another decent gain and finally caught that 1 yard Td pass that was definately designed for him.

He got over 100 yards the first game versus the Jets and now this game against the Jets.

I'd bump him slightly after this but I'd temper my expectations as Belichick uses any player he feels will cause a problem for opposing defenses. Apparently he feels the Jets have problems covering a TE, hence the two big gamed.
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supposedly Zone Defense = Gronk

Man to Man = Aaron

I'm in a PPR league so its driving me nuts

Anyone know what type of coverage defense GB plays?
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:goodposting: Looks like green bay uses a type of zone scheme

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Rolling with Fasano against the Jets over Hernandez and Boss this week. Too many other targets on the Pats right now.

 
bryan215 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
It's a tough situation with this guy. Everything went Ne's way, Hernandez certainly looked good, but who didn't for the Pats.I will say Brady seems to kind of like this kid. Brafy wad fired up after his first big catch and run. He got right in his face and let him know that was a big play and that he like what he saw. He hit him again for another decent gain and finally caught that 1 yard Td pass that was definately designed for him.He got over 100 yards the first game versus the Jets and now this game against the Jets.I'd bump him slightly after this but I'd temper my expectations as Belichick uses any player he feels will cause a problem for opposing defenses. Apparently he feels the Jets have problems covering a TE, hence the two big gamed.
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supposedly Zone Defense = GronkMan to Man = AaronI'm in a PPR league so its driving me nutsAnyone know what type of coverage defense GB plays?
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I'd love to know what coverage the Bills prefer because apparently they're terrible vs. TEs and they play the Pats week 16.ETA: Looks like zone, so that would be a Gronk week.
 
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bd3521 said:
Any numbers to back up the zone / man hypothesis?
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I don't buy it. They have a good thing going with 2 stud TE's. If one of them scored every week, it'd be easy to key in on that guy. Bill mixes it up so much that you don't know what you're going to get. One of them hurts the other team every week. I know that sucks for us, but it sure as hell doesn't for the Pats. They are both high risk/high reward players. Unless you have an elite TE, and there aren't any available, I'd rather roll with Hernandez for the rest of the season than the rest of the waiver wire options. If your team is good enough, 5 points shouldn't make a single bit of difference.....
 
bryan215 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
It's a tough situation with this guy. Everything went Ne's way, Hernandez certainly looked good, but who didn't for the Pats.

I will say Brady seems to kind of like this kid. Brafy wad fired up after his first big catch and run. He got right in his face and let him know that was a big play and that he like what he saw. He hit him again for another decent gain and finally caught that 1 yard Td pass that was definately designed for him.

He got over 100 yards the first game versus the Jets and now this game against the Jets.

I'd bump him slightly after this but I'd temper my expectations as Belichick uses any player he feels will cause a problem for opposing defenses. Apparently he feels the Jets have problems covering a TE, hence the two big gamed.
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supposedly Zone Defense = Gronk

Man to Man = Aaron

I'm in a PPR league so its driving me nuts

Anyone know what type of coverage defense GB plays?
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I thought NE plays Chicago?
 
Bdub said:
bd3521 said:
Any numbers to back up the zone / man hypothesis?
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I don't buy it. They have a good thing going with 2 stud TE's. If one of them scored every week, it'd be easy to key in on that guy. Bill mixes it up so much that you don't know what you're going to get. One of them hurts the other team every week. I know that sucks for us, but it sure as hell doesn't for the Pats. They are both high risk/high reward players. Unless you have an elite TE, and there aren't any available, I'd rather roll with Hernandez for the rest of the season than the rest of the waiver wire options. If your team is good enough, 5 points shouldn't make a single bit of difference.....
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Well, I don't think the Patriots are looking at the defense they're playing and saying, "OK Aaron, they play man so it's your time to shine." Hernandez is the faster, more gifted receiver. Gronk is the better blocker with decent receiving skills. So it makes sense that if a team is going to match up man to man, Hernandez is a match-up problem for the type of player that would usually cover a TE, while Gronk has a more traditional TE skill set and can be more effectively covered in a man scheme. If they play zone, Gronk gets more love because he's in on more plays because of his blocking and then is able to exploit soft spots in the short/intermediate parts of the zone.Doesn't mean that it will be easily predictable from week to week, but it's a tendency that makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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