I find it more alarming and sad that our educational system is churning out citizens with your mental capacity.
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TheIronSheik
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It never ceases to amaze me how people feel their opinion is the only right one and everyone else's is ridiculous.
I think people need to make a concerted effort to pay less attention to this sort of thing for that to happen. Which wouldn't be in line with the liberal agenda.
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooter-what-about-that-alleged-ar-15/ Turns out no AR15 was used, just a shotgun and handgun. Liberal media MADE UP the AR 15 to further their own political agenda. Does this bother anyone else? Why aren't they correcting their own mistake in the news?
That's a strange argument to make, I feel pretty safe with the current laws.
5 digit know nothing
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Flying Spaghetti Monster, care to comment again on how Sandy Hook could have prevented this tragedy?
Fennis
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TheIronSheik
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LarryAllen'sJockstrap
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Not gonna happen. People in general are fascinated with the serial killer, spree killer...
It's easy to understand how domestic issues, drugs, gangs and other inherinetly dangerous behavior/situations lead to murders. It's not "newsworthy" when a drug deal goes bad, guns are pulled and someone dies.
The serial killer, spree killer, religious killer are intriguing because the average person can't comprehend the state of mind and other factors that lead to those types of crimes. 99.9999999% of people that are having a tough time in life, get fired from a job, are passionately reliogious... don't, and most likely don't even consider walking into their old place of work and just shooting people, or planting bombs at a major sporting event.
The element of not being able to relate to these types of actions and the desire to understand what could have possibly driven someone to commit such henious crimes is indeed interesting, at least IMO.
Fennis
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5 digit know nothing
Footballguy
Huh?CNN
AP
International Herald Tribune
Philadelphia Daily News
NY Times
Washington Post (editorial)
Fox News (during an interview questioning how easy it is to have an AR15 w/ a retired Army Major General)
etc...if you read the article you linked.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Point to my exact post in which I said Sandy Hook would have prevented THIS tragedy? The NRA blocked the legislation anyway.
Rayderr
Footballguy
You do realize that none of the proposed legislation that came out in the name of Sandy Hook would've actually prevented Sandy Hook, right?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Anytime the news media gets a detail wrong, it does not mean that there is a political agenda; more paranoia and fear mongering.
5 digit know nothing
Footballguy
Wow...Just stop.
Why make a stink about Sandy Hook if the IT HAPPENING AGAIN is not referring to the Navy Yard shooting?Maybe you should stop ####ting on the graves of those that died at the Navy Yard shooting by bringing up your anti-gun bull####?
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Fennis
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Fox News has plenty of examples where they reported the shooter had an AR15.
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Drifter
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early reports yesterday were saying that he just had a shotgun and acquired the handguns off armed victims (police) inside. It's pretty sad that the early intelligence was perfectly accurate but was largely ignored for the more sensationalist angle.
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timschochet
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According to the article, this guy was able to purchase a gun even though, as a mentally ill person, he should not have been able to. It seems to me there are essentially two ways to rectify this problem:
1. We spend more money in order to enforce the laws we have now which make it difficult or illegal for a mentally ill person to purchase a firearm.
2. We establish new laws, such as a national database for the mentally ill and/or convicted felons, and require all sellers of firearms to run background checks against these national databases.
The NRA is opposed to both suggestions.
1. We spend more money in order to enforce the laws we have now which make it difficult or illegal for a mentally ill person to purchase a firearm.
2. We establish new laws, such as a national database for the mentally ill and/or convicted felons, and require all sellers of firearms to run background checks against these national databases.
The NRA is opposed to both suggestions.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
There were mentions of an AR15 in the official chronology of on-site reports that the FBI released. Nobody in the media "made up" the reports. They repeated erroneous on-site reports of a chaotic situation (where a lone gunman with a shotgun and a handgun fended off police armed with assault rifles for 30-60 minutes).
CGRdrJoe
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The media got something wrong? Shocking I thought they were always right....
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Jewell
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Common sense dictates that Alexis should not have been able to purchase a gun, but neither Virginia nor federal law prevented him from legally purchasing a gun so non-enforcement of the law was not an issue in this case.--------------------
Aaron Alexiss Gun Purchase in Virginia Appears Legal
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-40424
The early investigation indicates that Aaron Alexis legally bought a shotgun at a Lorton, Va., firearms dealer last week.
The law allows a buyer to purchase a long gun which is a rifle or shotgun without being a resident of the state where the firearm is bought.
The question then falls to whether Mr. Alexis was in any prohibited category that would have prevented him from buying a firearm.
His record paints a picture of a troubled individual who had several brushes with the law but none that crossed into felony conviction territory that would have prohibited him from buying a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer.
Although he recently began seeking mental health treatment through the Veterans Administration, seeking treatment and even having a diagnosed mental illness dont disqualify someone from purchasing a gun.
Since 1968, federal law has prohibited the sale of guns to anyone declared mentally unfit. But first, a court has to decide someone is unfita very high standard. Then, the residents state is supposed to supply the mental-health records to a Federal Bureau of Investigation database, created in 1998 to help carry out background checks of would-be gun buyers.
A diagnosis of mental illness by itself isnt enough to bar a gun purchase, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which enforces gun laws. Voluntary commitments and mental-health assessments are not disqualifiers either.
A person has to be adjudicated mentally ill or be involuntarily committed to enter the prohibited category.
A small number of states have greater restrictions. New York passed a law earlier this year requiring mental-health professionals warn third parties if a patient is believed dangerous. Critics said that law would prompt patients to stay away from treatment. Gun-rights advocates say although there are concerns that law could lead to gun-control abuses, so far they have seen none.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Serious question, but do you know how hard this is in most states?
Especially is the person is not cooperating.
Jewell
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
So if a mentally ill person wants to buy a gun then most likely he can and will be able to do it - because the amount of effort it would take to prevent him from getting it is non-realistic on an individual basis.
Jewell
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Sadly, that's likely true.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Maybe I just haven't read the right story, but had he actually been diagnosed by a doctor as being mentally ill?
timschochet
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Actually, to be quite honest, I don't disagree with you. But then what the hell can we as a society do about these shootings? Are we just helpless?
Jojo the circus boy
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People always look for "fixes".
What can we do about terrorism? It's always going to be there. What can we do to limit the damage?
timschochet
Footballguy
Well I think there ARE ways to fight terrorism- though you and Slapdash don't especially like my solution on that topic. But here I'm flummoxed. You're quite right; I want to do SOMETHING. But how to do anything substantial that doesn't take too much of our freedoms away?
Not sure what the policy solution is here, we shouldn't pass laws just so people can say they did "something". There will always be disturbed, disconnected people who want to lash out. We won't always be able to determine ahead of time, even with a great loss of rights.
We have a particularly violent society compared to other rich nations and that culture is probably the biggest contributor. You can see it in the way that our media (in all forms) glorifies violence, war, and tragedy. But I certainly don't think those trends are getting worse.
Terrorism seems like a different issue to me, one that should make us take a hard look at our foreign policy.
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Politician Spock
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If you are honestly scared by your odds of being shot in a mass shooting, then you suffer from a phobia.
Fennis
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KCitons
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It's an interesting statement to say that you must suffer from a phobia if you are afraid of being killed in a mass shooting. What about carrying a gun to protect yourself from other violent crimes? Or protecting your family from violent crimes?
As a man, I feel comfortable in most situations. But, I'm not sure how a woman (especially of smaller stature) would be able to feel the same way.
As I said, my wife was carjacked outside of her work. Would a gun have helped her? Probably not. But, had the guys wanted to kidnap her, then having a gun could have made a difference. Most criminals know that a soccer mom isn't likely to be carrying a gun and is therefor an easy target.
As a man, I feel comfortable in most situations. But, I'm not sure how a woman (especially of smaller stature) would be able to feel the same way.
As I said, my wife was carjacked outside of her work. Would a gun have helped her? Probably not. But, had the guys wanted to kidnap her, then having a gun could have made a difference. Most criminals know that a soccer mom isn't likely to be carrying a gun and is therefor an easy target.
sho nuff
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So the person screaming about Sandy Hook here and talking about dead kids is trying to make the claim that everyone else is using fear mongering and paranoia?
Politician Spock
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Number of robberies in the US per year: around 400,000
Number of mass shooting deaths in the US per year: dozens
5 digit know nothing
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This (although I'd argue for universal concealed carry) and remove gun free zones, it is the simple solution but people like Tim, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Tobias will always look for more extravagant solutions that will magically prevent mentally ill people from attempting to kill as many people as possible. They don't trust someone that has undergone training to obtain a concealed weapon license, they think these people cannot be trusted with a gun. They would rather wait for police to arrive which particularly in the case of these mass killings is nearly always too late.
Even if there was a magic test to determine if someone was mentally ill or not, what's to stop someone from purchasing a cache of weapons and then snap months or a year later and carry out these evil plans?
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KCitons
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You glossed over the point. I will concede the fact that mass shootings are limited. But, what about the other violent crimes where the outcome would have been different, had the victim been armed?
timschochet
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I'm not afraid of my own odds of being involved in one. I'm simply horrified that they keep happening and that there's seemingly nothing we can do about it.
Buckfast 1
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If everyone is armed, anyone who pulls out their gun and start shooting is not going to last long. Thirteen people would not have died yesterday if Clinton hadn't taken away the ability of soldiers to carry a personal sidearm on military bases. Everyone in Switzerland is armed. Why is their per capita violent crime rate so much lower than in the USA?
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