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AD officially reaches the second round (1 Viewer)

This is not being looked at objectively.The correct question is this: Who has less risk and higher upside:AD in the 2nd roundLynch in the 4th roundIf you're telling yourself AD in the 2nd you're taking crazy pills. Its too early to take someone with so many unknown variables.
I'm seeing Lynch go a round earlier than Peterson in almost every draft I've been in. Last night when Peterson went mid 3rd Lynch was already gone. I've seen him go as early as late 2nd and mid 3rd (3.08ish) on average. I think he fell to the early 4th once out of 8 or 9 drafts.
 
I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
This pretty much sums it all up. People who have a man crush on Peterson actually have convinced themselves that a guy with an ADP of 5.02 is "falling" to them in rounds 3 and 4. :moneybag:
ADP is only part of my formula for drafting. I think Peterson will be a top 15 back with top 5 potential this year. In that case he is falling to me as opposed to me taking him in the 2nd round. I don't always like to follow the herd. To each his own. Peterson is value in the 4th rd.
 
Meat- its not game logs, but game summaries from the player outlook page... I believe. It gives a game by game summary for a player.

CJack- I drafted 8-12 this weekend went Alexander, Ronnie Brown, Fitz, AD, Calvin in the 6th.

 
Right now I think Im targeting him in the 4th - in most leagues ppl play in here, I think thats a reasonable position to draft him where the risk is minimal and the reward could be massive.

I would say the 3rd isn't a reach for him if you've already got a Top 5 stud, but if you do have a Top 5 stud, that means you would be taking him early 3rd round as opposed to mid-late 3rd which right now I think is a slight reach, but if you've got LJ or someone of his ilk already it shouldn't hurt you too much and could win you a championship.

I have some big NCAA FB fans in my league too, so for me I definitely think he's gone by 4, very possibly 3, maybe early 3rd from just name & reputation alone. Others might want to consider this if you want him as well

 
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I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
This pretty much sums it all up. People who have a man crush on Peterson actually have convinced themselves that a guy with an ADP of 5.02 is "falling" to them in rounds 3 and 4. :football:
ADP is only part of my formula for drafting. I think Peterson will be a top 15 back with top 5 potential this year. In that case he is falling to me as opposed to me taking him in the 2nd round. I don't always like to follow the herd. To each his own. Peterson is value in the 4th rd.
Those are separate issues. Just because your opinion says he is a top 15 back does not change the fact that drafters as a whole take him in round 5. He is not "falling" to you any round before 5 no matter how many points you think he will score.
 
In a 16 team start 2 rb league, AD is most definitely not a reach at the bottom of the 2nd round, although he's not a value there either, obviously.

FWIW, I had C. Taylor in a 16 round league last year, and watched all of his games. What the poster said above is true -- he definitely had issues at the goalline. It was not uncommon for it to take him 2 or 3 tries to try and bust it in from the 1 or 2. And there were fumbles too. As long as AD is healthy and not in need of oxygen, I don't see how he will not be the short yardage back, particularly at the goalline.

Pros: The Minnesota oline will be better this season, as it's there 2nd year in the system, and Hutch was dinged for part of last season (and the rushing offense took a significant downtick when he was hurt). AD should get better as the year goes on, and there's a distinct possiblity that he becomes the teams featured back on 1st and 2nd down, by mid-season. It's certainly possible that he starts putting up his best numbers late in the season when it counts the most.

Cons: His value may be limited early in the season. It's certainly possible that his touches are limited to around 15/game for the first 4 - 6 weeks. Also, the Vikings have one of the worst sets of wr's in the league, and a completely unproven 2nd year qb who was horrible last season, so opposing defenses will be stacking the box. I'm not sure about his playoff schedule either (weeks 14 - 16): SF, Chi, Was. I like week 14, hate week 15, and am unsure about week 16 (the Skins defense could be pretty nasty this year if preseason is any indication).

 
ctdub said:
jurb26 said:
ctdub said:
I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
This pretty much sums it all up. People who have a man crush on Peterson actually have convinced themselves that a guy with an ADP of 5.02 is "falling" to them in rounds 3 and 4. :o
ADP is only part of my formula for drafting. I think Peterson will be a top 15 back with top 5 potential this year. In that case he is falling to me as opposed to me taking him in the 2nd round. I don't always like to follow the herd. To each his own. Peterson is value in the 4th rd.
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i've bumped peterson up to RB24 in non PPR and RB27 in PPR, but bottom line projecting him for more than 1200 combined yards and 6-7 TDs is foolish.

despite the talent, taylor will take enough production away from allowing peterson to be 2nd round material.

in non PPR i would think about taking him in the 3rd round.
You must have some very lofty expectations for those other 23 RB non PPR. Otherwise this does not make sense.1200 combined yards and 6-7 TD foolish? Only if you think the Vikings will only manage to run the ball less than they did last year (442 times) AND you think that Chester is going to get close to 300 of those carries again while AD paitiently watches him get 2-3 yards on most of them.
those other 23 RBs have projections close to the history of production for the top 23 RBs.i have peterson in for 150 yards receiving, 225 carries for 1k yards, and 6 TDs. (about 1200 combined yards)

i have taylor in at 200 yards receiving, 166 carries for 700 yards and 3 TDs.

seems pretty reasonable to me.

do you do your own projections and compare them to historical production? if you do, you should see why it makes total sense.

 
ctdub said:
jurb26 said:
ctdub said:
I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
This pretty much sums it all up. People who have a man crush on Peterson actually have convinced themselves that a guy with an ADP of 5.02 is "falling" to them in rounds 3 and 4. :goodposting:
ADP is only part of my formula for drafting. I think Peterson will be a top 15 back with top 5 potential this year. In that case he is falling to me as opposed to me taking him in the 2nd round. I don't always like to follow the herd. To each his own. Peterson is value in the 4th rd.
:D
The irony is that it actually looks like the herd view around here is to overvalue Peterson.
 
ctdub said:
jurb26 said:
ctdub said:
I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
This pretty much sums it all up. People who have a man crush on Peterson actually have convinced themselves that a guy with an ADP of 5.02 is "falling" to them in rounds 3 and 4. :D
ADP is only part of my formula for drafting. I think Peterson will be a top 15 back with top 5 potential this year. In that case he is falling to me as opposed to me taking him in the 2nd round. I don't always like to follow the herd. To each his own. Peterson is value in the 4th rd.
;)
The irony is that it actually looks like the herd view around here is to overvalue Peterson.
:lmao:
 
He's been at least a 2nd rounder all along.
:lmao:
Hi, Redbirds <--------- :bye: Still confused about Peterson being a 2nd rounder all along?
Pre Season: I'm still confused why you would of wasted a 2nd round draft pick on him. I got him at the 3:12/4:1 turn in a double serpentine. Most here probably thought that was a reach for him as a 3/4th round pick. Think of the value you coulda had with your 2nd round pick and still gotten ADP in the 4th like most did.After Week 6: 2nd round pick you say? Top 5 easily, maybe Top 2 now? ;)

P.S. I wasted my 2nd round pick on Brees so what do I know... :)

 
He's been at least a 2nd rounder all along.
:lmao:
Hi, Redbirds <--------- :bye: Still confused about Peterson being a 2nd rounder all along?
Pre Season: I'm still confused why you would of wasted a 2nd round draft pick on him. I got him at the 3:12/4:1 turn in a double serpentine. Most here probably thought that was a reach for him as a 3/4th round pick. Think of the value you coulda had with your 2nd round pick and still gotten ADP in the 4th like most did.After Week 6: 2nd round pick you say? Top 5 easily, maybe Top 2 now? ;)

P.S. I wasted my 2nd round pick on Brees so what do I know... :)
I'm talking about merit and projected production, not where I would have taken him.On merit and projection, he was a 2nd rounder all along. I got him in every re-draft league I was in...but I didn't have to take him in the 2nd simply because there was a mindset out there that said Benson and Caddy were safer picks. If you can wait on him, go ahead and get him in the 3rd or 4th...

Swing for the fences...

 
anyone who takes AD in the second round over guys like Benson and McGahee are nuts. You will lose your league if you do that. His ceiling is maybe 7-8 tds and maybe 900 yards rushing.
:goodposting: :lmao: Ceiling :lmao:
He may be on to something. There's a better-than-average chance that after one more game like this week, Childress will move him to special teams exclusively to "keep his legs fresh" for next year.
 
The "monsters" that F&L used as examples were LT, Priest, LJ, you could add SA to that list as players who helped carry teams to FF championships. All those guys, except LJ, set single season rushing TD records. You guys are now calling AD a potential "monster"? I'm not gonna argue with you that he could reach that calibre of production in a year or two, but this year? I think LT had something like 1200 + 10 as a rookie, yes AD could reach those numbers IF Chester gets benched or injured but that is the BEST possible case scenario for AD owners. The more realistic scenario is that he'll split carries and maybe get more of a work load towards the end of the season. Like I said, spending a top 4 round pick on that sort of risk doesn't make sense to me, not this yr anyway.
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This makes perfect sense to me. Nice post.
All right guys... tell me which RB you would take in the 4th instead of Peterson then... we'll use the FBG redraft rankings to see who's available... who has less risk and more upside than Peterson?
Ahman Green
Marion Barber III
Marshawn Lynch
Jerious Norwood
Jamal Lewis
DeAngelo Williams
Julius Jones
Fred Taylor
Tatum BellTell me why these guys have less risk and more upside than Peterson... TIA
None. And it's not even close.
:rolleyes: The man crush some people have on this guy is unreal.

Green and Lewis should both go before him, no doubt. Barber III probably should too. Everyone else on the list I would probably take Peterson before.
lol you think Jamal Lewis and Ahman Green have less risk and more upside than Adrian Peterson?I can't think of a RB who has less upside than Jamal Lewis. Ahman Green had a nice season last year but is now on Houston and was on the injury list every other week last season.

I'm not buying AD in the 2nd round, but there's no way I would take Green/Lewis ahead of him.
I think a lot of these anti AD posters have him confused with Adrian Peterson of the Bears. AD is a late 2nd rd pick without a doubt and I wouldn't touch any of those guys with AD still on the board.
:rolleyes: :goodposting:
 
Right now he is looking more like 1.5 than 15. With only the best back of our generation and possibly of all time standing in his way of 1.

 
I have re-evaluated a few things.I'm officially a fan of ADP in the 4th.I won't be drafting Lynch.
I probably should've taken Lynch too.I want to thank the people in this thread, because as a result of what I learned here AND what I saw in preseason, I did grab him in every league I'm in. Thank you.
 
There are two guys that FBG seemed to pimp a lot this year: Vernon Davis and AP. I don't believe in Vernon, so I stayed away from him. But I bought into AP hook, line and sinker and I thank the staff for it :lmao:

 
I took him at 4.11 in a 12 teamer and heard the guy who was drafting in the one hole yell, " Son of a b.... ". LOL, glad the LT owner didn't get ADP. I am sitting at 3-3 without sjax, and starring down a wild card spot. Thanks ADP. Braylon Edwards in the 6th is looking good too. I am just waiting for Calvin to get 100% and start rolling too.

 
I'll be the first to admit I have a serious man crush on AD this year. He will be fun to watch as he always goes 110%. I took him in the 4th rd Saturday and considered taking him in the second. I hope to get him in all 3 of my leagues. AD will get the goal line carries. Taylor may get 2-3 all season. If you're a subcriber checkout Taylors game logs from last season... He had serious goal line issues and fumbled a few tds away. Childress must be a nice guy, because I would have benched his ### for fumbles losing the game against the bears, the dolphins and he had a big fumble of 2 against AZ. Not that AD will be immune to mistakes, but his 5 yard run (right after the 43yarder) was the more impressive run friday night to me. I hope the guys in my other leagues feel the same way some of you do about him so he can fall to me in the 3rd and 4th rds.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. The problem is I'm now trying to figure out when I need to draft him if I don't want to miss out. I'm actually okay with taking him in the second round (pick 2.08 in a 12 teamer) if necessary, but I'd love to get him in the 4th round if possible. Maybe 3.05 is a good compromise. I just don't want to miss him and I know that's a dangerous thought process. I'm trying to figure out how best to get Peterson, a consensus top 5 QB and one of the top 5-6 WRs in rounds 2-4, if possible. If I knew Peterson would last to round 4, I'd go something like Owens in round 2, Palmer in round 3, and Peterson in round 4. More likely, I'll have to go something like Owens in round 2, Peterson in round 3, and then hope Brees or Bulger falls to me in round 4. Potential problem is, all TDs are worth 6 points in our league, so good QBs don't always last long. If I go that route, I think I'm going to have to be comfortable with McNabb or Kitna (not necessarily at that pick) if the top 5 don't make it that far.I really don't like many of the other RB2 options, so if I gamble and don't take him in round 2, and I miss out, I don't like the other options that will be available. So, I feel like I have to reach on him in round 2, or latest round 3. Not that I think it will be a reach in the long run.
I'd say my logic played out well. Better yet, I didn't get Brees, Bulger or McNabb, but rather Kitna and Romo in rounds 6 and 8. Seems there are lots of guys who won't go out on the limb and reach on a player because they're too fixated on projections and averages and such. Bottom line, if I wanted Peterson in my league, I had to pick him in round 2, he wasn't making it back around to me in round 3, and not only was it not a reach, but it's probably the best second round pick in our league this year.But, thanks to the doubters, it'll make it that much easier to get guys like this cheap in future years too. Thanks.
 
Thanks in large part to a lot of FBG reading the few days leading up to the draft, I drafted Peterson 1.10 in my 12 team keep 2 league, so I guess you could say I got him at 3.10. For a slight second I considered Ahman Green but am so glad I went with Peterson. I'm hoping to be 3-3 after tonight and even if I don't win a championship this year I like my future with Peterson for the next X years. :lmao:

P.S. Drank the Vernon Davis kool aid too, that didn't pan out so well. :rolleyes:

 
Once again, i'm not disputing AD's talent or possible future production. I'm talking about THIS yr, and to me his current ADP represents his hype more than his situation. The comparison of Rudi and SJ isn't really a fair one since last yr SJ was slated to be the primary back. If we were talking about a 6th or 7th round pick here then I wouldnt really be disagreeing with you, but a 4th rounder to me seems a little steep considering what needs to happen before AD proves to be value at that point in the draft. P.S-Is the MIKL up and running this yr or what?
The only concern is Chester Taylor. If Taylor wasn't in Minn, AD would be a late 1st rounder.By week 6, Taylor will be an afterthought.
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I have the first pick in a 1 player keeper league and I'm praying that Peterson makes it back to me at the 2/3 turn. If so then I will gladly pick him there. I don't know if I could pick him late 2nd/early 3rd in a redraft league though. That seems quite high...
Yeah...I would also like to thank the board and those pro AP folks in this thread. The thread was very insightful and y'all convinced me to "swing for the fences". I took AP in all 3 of my leagues, although I was able to snag him after the 2nd round (3.01 in my keeper and 5.01 in both of my redrafts).
 
I have the first pick in a 1 player keeper league and I'm praying that Peterson makes it back to me at the 2/3 turn. If so then I will gladly pick him there. I don't know if I could pick him late 2nd/early 3rd in a redraft league though. That seems quite high...
Yeah...I would also like to thank the board and those pro AP folks in this thread. The thread was very insightful and y'all convinced me to "swing for the fences". I took AP in all 3 of my leagues, although I was able to snag him after the 2nd round (3.01 in my keeper and 5.01 in both of my redrafts).
:( Swing for the fences...Talents like ADP don't come around every year.
 
I remember Terrell Davis saying that he thought AP could be the first guy that could succeed going straight from high school to the pros. There was a lot of such talk about him. With such guys, you just have to make sure you get them on your team. The upside is worth it in fantasy.

 
I remember Terrell Davis saying that he thought AP could be the first guy that could succeed going straight from high school to the pros. There was a lot of such talk about him. With such guys, you just have to make sure you get them on your team. The upside is worth it in fantasy.
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