roundhouse11
Footballguy
Anyone want to pimp some defensive sleepers going forward? DL LB OR DB'S.... 
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AFTER SEEING WEEK 1 (1 Viewer)
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roundhouse11
Footballguy
kc linebacker d. johnson .....A.Ayodele jax LB...S.taylor db wash
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I am dumping Sean Jones and picking up Nick Ferguson based on one week's performance.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
He was not even on my radar this year. I got Gibril Wilson, Ed Reed and Darren Sharper as guys I had targetted prior to the draft and I missed out on Boulware. So late in the draft I took a gamble on Sean Jones.Looking back at other projections, he would have been a decent late round steal instead of Jones especially with the annoncements the last few days that Jones was in a rotation and not the starter.
Oh well, I think Ferguson is definitely worthy of a pickup even if he drops to more "normal" numbers he will outperform most FSs and CBs.
I agree with you on Brackett especially with Indy's defense the way it it. He could be a steal. I just don't have an extra waiver to scoop him up.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Not sure if he qualifies as a true "sleeper", but Mike Brown put up 9 tackles and 1 PD and could be available coming off an injury last season.
Pick
Footballguy
DTs: Larry Triplett (Colts) - 7 solo with 2 sacksSeth Payne (Texans) - 7 solo and 1 assistedOrpheus Roye (Browns) - 5 solo and 5 assistedDEs:Gary Walker (Texans) - 3 solo and 2 assistedMarco Coleman (Broncos) - 3 solo and 1 assistedBobby Hamilton (Raiders) - 2 solo and 2 assistedLBs:Ben Leber (Chargers) - 4 solo with 1 sack and 1 assistedOrlando Ruff (Browns) - 5 solosReggie Torbor (Giants) - 4 solo and 1 assistedDD Lewis (Seahawks) - 4 soloSs:Leigh Bodden (Browns) - 7 solo and 1 INT and 1 FFChris Crocker (Browns) - 8 solo and 2 assisted with 1 sackLance Schulters (Dolphins) - 5 solo and 3 assisted with 1 INTPierson Prioleau (Redskins) - 4 solo and 1 assisted
redman
Footballguy
He was a guy I cut last year in favor of keeping Gerard Warren and - ironically - Corey Simon. He looked like a man possessed last night. I thought Simon might have a resurgence paired up with Freeney, but maybe Triplett's going to be the big beneficiary. Good call.
Surprise performance to be sure, but Matt Bowen will be right back in there next game as the starter. Prioleau is a better safety than I thought, but his primary function is as a special teams maven.
Skeet Skeet
Footballguy
Ya, Hall shut down TO. I always thought shutdown corners werent good for FF?
Otter
Footballguy
Generally speaking they are not, but certain matchups present a favorable game (i.e., when T.O, Moss, Marvin are opposite). Just because he "shut down" T.O. doesn't necessarily make him a good "fantasy" starter. He had 5 tackles and 1 Int; not a great "fantasy" game, but a damn good football game. T.O. did have 7 receptions for 112 yards, but was held without a TD. Hall did a great job, but he didn't actually "shut down" TO. McNabb was horrible and should share some of the credit. Just my $.02.
pretender
Footballguy
don't forget Kerry Rhodes with 10 solo tackles and 1 assist!DTs:
Larry Triplett (Colts) - 7 solo with 2 sacks
Seth Payne (Texans) - 7 solo and 1 assisted
Orpheus Roye (Browns) - 5 solo and 5 assisted
DEs:
Gary Walker (Texans) - 3 solo and 2 assisted
Marco Coleman (Broncos) - 3 solo and 1 assisted
Bobby Hamilton (Raiders) - 2 solo and 2 assisted
LBs:
Ben Leber (Chargers) - 4 solo with 1 sack and 1 assisted
Orlando Ruff (Browns) - 5 solos
Reggie Torbor (Giants) - 4 solo and 1 assisted
DD Lewis (Seahawks) - 4 solo
Ss:
Leigh Bodden (Browns) - 7 solo and 1 INT and 1 FF
Chris Crocker (Browns) - 8 solo and 2 assisted with 1 sack
Lance Schulters (Dolphins) - 5 solo and 3 assisted with 1 INT
Pierson Prioleau (Redskins) - 4 solo and 1 assisted
Pick
Footballguy
Rhodes is long gone. These are just guys available in a pretty deep dynasty league I'm in. I knew if they were available to me they'd be available to most people.don't forget Kerry Rhodes with 10 solo tackles and 1 assist!DTs:
Larry Triplett (Colts) - 7 solo with 2 sacks
Seth Payne (Texans) - 7 solo and 1 assisted
Orpheus Roye (Browns) - 5 solo and 5 assisted
DEs:
Gary Walker (Texans) - 3 solo and 2 assisted
Marco Coleman (Broncos) - 3 solo and 1 assisted
Bobby Hamilton (Raiders) - 2 solo and 2 assisted
LBs:
Ben Leber (Chargers) - 4 solo with 1 sack and 1 assisted
Orlando Ruff (Browns) - 5 solos
Reggie Torbor (Giants) - 4 solo and 1 assisted
DD Lewis (Seahawks) - 4 solo
Ss:
Leigh Bodden (Browns) - 7 solo and 1 INT and 1 FF
Chris Crocker (Browns) - 8 solo and 2 assisted with 1 sack
Lance Schulters (Dolphins) - 5 solo and 3 assisted with 1 INT
Pierson Prioleau (Redskins) - 4 solo and 1 assisted
I agree Pick, TO was not "shut down" in a normal sense. But by Hall showing he could go one on one vs TO and not get burned it allowed the safeties to blitz and concentrate on Westbrook more. I think Atlanta shut down the PHI offense pretty good by not allowing big plays to TO. 100+ yards to any individual is not shutting them down, but for one on one coverage against TO that is still damn good.Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
Pick
Footballguy
I agree Pick, TO was not "shut down" in a normal sense. But by Hall showing he could go one on one vs TO and not get burned it allowed the safeties to blitz and concentrate on Westbrook more. I think Atlanta shut down the PHI offense pretty good by not allowing big plays to TO. 100+ yards to any individual is not shutting them down, but for one on one coverage against TO that is still damn good.Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
I think some idiots are equating the Eagles' offense getting shut down to TO getting shut down. No doubt the Eagles' offense was shut down.I got no problem giving Hall his due. But anyone that says TO got shut down is a moron. But "shutting down" is a pretty strong phrase for me, so I'm over the top about it.
I started a Shark Pool thread on this.
redman
Footballguy
First of all, regarding DeAngelo Hall, he also had 2 passes defensed which in my league is 2 more points. That just points out that what you want primarily in a CB is for his WR to be targeted - this is why we love rookie CB's. In Hall's case, he's obviously a very good CB in his second year, but if they're putting him man-up on the best WR every week, he's still going to be targeted. He's likely going to be at least a fantasy CB2. As far as "shutting down" TO goes, he's one of those elite players who is virtually always going to get 5+ catches and 60+ yards. The key is reducing the impact that his catches have on the outcome of the game. Last night's game was much like the Super Bowl in that regard. TO put up stats, but in truth his catches did not have a dramatic impact upon the outcome of the game. In other words, his stats were better than his actual productivity. Like reg said (did I say that?), if you look elsewhere, especially at McNabb's night, the fact that Hall could contain TO largely by himself enabled the Atlanta defense to really slow down the Eagles' offense.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I'm pretty much in agreement. TO was targeted 19 times. To have only allowed 7 catches for 112 yards may not be "shut down" worthy but at the very least TO was "contained" by Hall.I agree Pick, TO was not "shut down" in a normal sense. But by Hall showing he could go one on one vs TO and not get burned it allowed the safeties to blitz and concentrate on Westbrook more. I think Atlanta shut down the PHI offense pretty good by not allowing big plays to TO. 100+ yards to any individual is not shutting them down, but for one on one coverage against TO that is still damn good.Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
Dave Baker
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The NFL gamebook listed Prioleau as the starter. What happened to Bowen?
I don't think Bowen is 100% yet.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'm not sure if Bowen is 100% or not. I don't think he was in the injury report at all. Either way, I think Greg Williams likes Ryan Clark. I think Bowen will have to earn his spot back. No matter who starts, I think a couple guys will play SS throughout a game. If your name's not Sean Taylor, Williams wants you to be 100% fresh.
redman
Footballguy
This is largely true. Bowen is the stereotypical strong safety: good run stopper, big hitter, aggressive blitzer, below average in coverage. Clark is more well-rounded, and Prioleau is probably the best of the three in coverage. They may well end up rotating all of them depending upon game situation. SSBC? It's somewhat of a scrambled situation because until Bowen and Clark were injured around the last preseason game, Bowen was clearly first on the depth chart, Clark was clearly second, and Prioleau was clearly a distant third who was on the roster as a special teamer. It's something to watch.
Skeet Skeet
Footballguy
becasue i only saw the 2nd half, where he WAS shutdown!Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
And Otter, I'd take 5 tackles and an INT every game from my CBs and walk away happy. Hell, I'd take that from my Ss.
kellumsboys
Footballguy
Bryant Young - DE - SF3 sacksis he that good or is St.L. o-line that bad ? 
are we talking about the same Pierson Prioleau who played for the Bills? He was atrocious in coverage and a complete flop when they tried moving him to FS. He's a big hitter and a nice player, but if he's better than the other 2 in coverage, then they must be god-awful.My impression of Bowen is that he could make a seamless transition to FS if asked to do so. I never thought of him as a liability in coverage.I know less about Clark than I do the other guys, but he seems like a solid overachiever who doesn't screw up too much.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Keep an eye on Tony Parrish.He was second on the team with 7 solos and also had a PD.There were also numerous plays where he just missed getting the tackle, or was right there when it was made. He could have easily had 10 or 11 solos. Also just missed on a sack or two.
Otter
Footballguy
If you read my post, I wrote that Hall had a good fantasy game (for a CB), but not a great fantasy game. Five tackles and one Interception is NOT a great fantasy game. In my opinion a "great" fantasy game is 10 tackles and an Interception. That's why I like Strong Safteys as starters any day over a cornerback, because you have a much better chance of getting a "great" game. I would NOT be content with my starting DB getting 5 tackles and 1 Int every game... Average at best in FFball.And Otter, I'd take 5 tackles and an INT every game from my CBs and walk away happy. Hell, I'd take that from my Ss.
I disagree with this. If any of my starting DBs put up 5 solos and 1 pick in any given week, I'm very pleased. That's well above average, IMO. A CB putting up 80 solo tackles and 16 interceptions in 1 season would likely lead all IDPs in scoring.
Pick
Footballguy
FYI, they play 2 halfs in the NFL.becasue i only saw the 2nd half, where he WAS shutdown!Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
And Otter, I'd take 5 tackles and an INT every game from my CBs and walk away happy. Hell, I'd take that from my Ss.
Otter
Footballguy
I respectfully disagree. My point is that if you have to start a DB, you'd be better off with a SS, because you will usually meet your goal of 5 solos per game average. D. Hall had 28 tackles in 10 games last year (2.8 average). Rodney Harrison, for example, had 94 in 16 (5.8 average per game). Obviously some games are better than others because he had 10 tackles in some games. My league also gets assists. I would not be content with my starting DB getting 5 tackles and 1 int EVERY game. Hall had an "average" FFball game, but a solid regular game (only because TO didn't score). But I believe McNabb should share the blame, as Hall shouldn't get all the credit.
Renegades of Funk
Footballguy
In deep leagues FS Todd Johnson with Chicago is a guy to put on your radar. He filled in with decent stats last year when Mike Brown was out and may end up as the starter at FS. Mike Green was benched in the second half versus Washington for poor play. Johnson had 4 solos and 2 assists when he got in the game.
Otter
Footballguy
Yes, but what CB or DB is going to get 16 interceptions??? While it's much easier to predict guys that are going to get tackles, it is impossible to forcast anyone making any interceptions. I play the numbers, and have every year of playing IDPs. Of course if a DB gets 16 interceptions, then he obviously will have a monster year. Last year, Ed Reed led the league with 9 interceptions. He had a monster year. Along with that, he had 68 tackles. Had he not had the interceptions, then he was ranked #37 for DBs in tackles. My point is that although D. Hall had a good game against Philly and a good game fantasy-wise, it was not a great fantasy game. I would not start D. Hall every week. In fact, he is not on anyone's roster in any of my three IDP leagues. Does that make him a bad player? No. Does it mean that he's not a consistent fantasy player? Maybe. There are too many good quality DBs that will produce better numbers than Hall or 95% of Cornerbacks. JMO, nothing more. I've played in IDP leagues for 8 years now. I'm not an expert, but every year the trend is the same.
dgreen
Footballguy
I don't really remember him being horrible, but he's nothing special in coverage. I wouldn't be comfortable with him covering anyone other than a non-elite TE. Then again, my bar for FS coverage skills has sky rocketed after watching Sean Taylor. I've seen Taylor blanket Moss, T.O, and Chad Johnson all by himself.
I think that's a pretty good assessment. He's kind of small but is willing to take on any runner. I saw him after training camp signing autographs. He had already removed his jersey, so I didn't see who he was by his number. I could have sworn it was a CB.The important thing about Clark is that the coaches like him.
Skeet Skeet
Footballguy
Get out of here! No Way!They asked why it was said that T.O was 'shutdown.' I was just stating why i said thatFYI, they play 2 halfs in the NFL.becasue i only saw the 2nd half, where he WAS shutdown!Prolly not the forum for it but I don't understand why TO is considered to be shut down after catching 7 for over 100 yards.
And Otter, I'd take 5 tackles and an INT every game from my CBs and walk away happy. Hell, I'd take that from my Ss.
