After week 5, what have we learned? (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

- The Pats are just sick good.

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

- Looks like the Chargers are the Chargers I remember from years past again.

- What is wrong with the Saints? Brees looked like a lock for MVP in the preseason and now he looks like crap.

- On a side note, I still don't think Bush is a RB. Great WR. Great Gimmick guy. RB?

- On another side note, Brandon Jacobs is a RB.

- The best thing that could happen to the Cardinals is Lienart going down. I'll say it now, the Cards are in the playoffs as long as Warner is the starter from here on out. If he gets injured or if Lienart picks up anything other than a clip board when he gets healthy then the Cards will be, well, the Cards....

- Despite the loss, Derek Anderson can play in this league. I avoided him after he broke out because his schedule was tough, but he has played well against some strong defenses. It may be quite a while before the Brady Quinn era begins in Cleveland. Could Anderson/Quinn be the next Brees/Rivers situation?

- There has been an official MJD sighting. Turns out he's not dead after all. The kid needs more than 9 carries though

- I've learned that if I have a player going against the Jets, he's starting.

- Plaxico is really good

- Everyone keeps talking about this being the year of the WR, but what about the TE's? Gates isn't the only one tearing it up. Dallas Clark, the Souldia, Ben Watson, Jason Witten, and Gonzo are all having good years.

- Braylon Edwards 2007 = Breakout Year. He is now a must start unless you are playing Denver.

- I still say never start a WR against the Broncos. Some will site that Vincent Jackson just had 84 and a TD against the vaunted Denver Secondary. But consider this. The Chargers completed 13 passes yesterday. 7 to Gates. We know they have problems with the TE (see Dallas Clark two weeks ago). 3 went to LT, much like a TE in terms of the type of pass and the size of the player. And 3 to Jackson. Do you want to risk your WR only catching 3 balls in a game? I don't.

 

[sheerterror]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I still say never start a WR against the Broncos. Some will site that Vincent Jackson just had 84 and a TD against the vaunted Denver Secondary. But consider this. The Chargers completed 13 passes yesterday. 7 to Gates. We know they have problems with the TE (see Dallas Clark two weeks ago). 3 went to LT, much like a TE in terms of the type of pass and the size of the player. And 3 to Jackson. Do you want to risk your WR only catching 3 balls in a game? I don't.

This is the chargers you're talking about. their #1 WR is the #3 passing option on their team.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

 

[Sputnikv8]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

Watch the highlights for "the Trent Green play"....

 

[sheerterror]

Thanks, for a minute I thought this might have referring to the safety on the Bucs who lit up Dallas Clark and seemed to celebrate it even though Clark was on the ground and clearly hurting.

 

[hoyaparanoia]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

 

[Avery]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

From CBS Sportline:

Johnson said he apologized to coach Gary Kubiak for the penalty during the game, but contrition wasn't on his mind afterward. The 315-pound Johnson went on an expletive-laced rant in the locker room, apparently because he didn't like the low block Green threw.

"It was a malicious hit," Johnson said. "It was uncalled for. He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?"

Johnson was escorted back to the locker room about 20 minutes after the tirade to issue an apology, but still seemed more upset about the penalty itself than his reaction to the hit.

"We're not going to do that," Kubiak said. "That's not going to be accepted around here."

My take is that Johnson doesn't feel sorry about anything he did other than upset his coach.

 

[vacaver1]

Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

They finally showed the apology cut on ESPN last night after the Green Bay game.

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

absolutely legal. he can be pissed if he wants, but that is a legal hit.

 

[packersfan]

- I've learned that if I have a player going against the Jets, he's starting.

Unless his name is Amani Toomer.

 

[chadjohnsonfan]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

From CBS Sportline:

Johnson said he apologized to coach Gary Kubiak for the penalty during the game, but contrition wasn't on his mind afterward. The 315-pound Johnson went on an expletive-laced rant in the locker room, apparently because he didn't like the low block Green threw.

"It was a malicious hit," Johnson said. "It was uncalled for. He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?"

Johnson was escorted back to the locker room about 20 minutes after the tirade to issue an apology, but still seemed more upset about the penalty itself than his reaction to the hit.

"We're not going to do that," Kubiak said. "That's not going to be accepted around here."

My take is that Johnson doesn't feel sorry about anything he did other than upset his coach.

The scarecrow was looking for a brain. The cowardly lion wanted courage.What Trent Green did was definitely not good for his brains.

 

[TheFanatic]

- I've learned that if I have a player going against the Jets, he's starting.

Unless his name is Amani Toomer.

- I've learned never to start Amani Toomer, no matter who he's playing. He'll have a couple of good games, but he's not someone to be relied on. Eli force feeds Plax....Toomer is not an option very often....

 

[packersfan]

- I've learned that if I have a player going against the Jets, he's starting.

Unless his name is Amani Toomer.

- I've learned never to start Amani Toomer, no matter who he's playing. He'll have a couple of good games, but he's not someone to be relied on. Eli force feeds Plax....Toomer is not an option very often....

Depends on the league. In a PPR league, he has good potential as a WR3 when the matchup is right - and the matchup was definitely right yesterday. You may not think he's all that good and I wouldn't say he's great, but 0 receptions? And yea, I had to go with him due to byes and injuries.

 

[LBH]

Thanks, for a minute I thought this might have referring to the safety on the Bucs who lit up Dallas Clark and seemed to celebrate it even though Clark was on the ground and clearly hurting.

that was rookie Tanard Jackson FS

 

[sholditch]

I've learned that this hobby is pretty much a crapshoot and throwing darts at a wall full of pictures of running backs will help you about as much as 3 months of homework. I've learned that a stud QB is a much better first-round pick than everyone thinks. And I've learned that sometimes, you're just cursed and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Avery]

I've learned that this hobby is pretty much a crapshoot and throwing darts at a wall full of pictures of running backs will help you about as much as 3 months of homework. I've learned that a stud QB is a much better first-round pick than everyone thinks. And I've learned that sometimes, you're just cursed and there's nothing you can do about it.

It really irritates me that this is true, for I'd like to believe that research and hard work pays off.

 

[malice]

Today's NFL is all about depth baby.

IND without starting WR, starting RB, leader on defense: 33-14 WIN

PIT without both starting WRs, leader on defense: 21-0 WIN

DEN without starting WR, starting RB facing suspension, leader on defense leaving game: 41-3 SMACKDOWN

If you go 4.5-0 by believing in 'who needs a running game?', don't suddenly try to find one when you're up 20-10 in the 2nd half and doing nothing but going three and out.

Anybody still think the Lions spread offense is uncoverable? (please see: Patriots 2007)

Who really gave ATL a better chance of coming back in the 4th quarter?

I can't decide which rule is more frustrating and controversial- the tuck rule or ruling a TD catch a force-out.

 

[awesomeness]

- The Pats are just sick good.

This was only determined after there game against the browns?

 

[Da Guru]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

absolutely legal. he can be pissed if he wants, but that is a legal hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weKmGtemn8

 

[TheFanatic]

- The Pats are just sick good.

This was only determined after there game against the browns?

I think I have said that in a couple of these "what have we learned" threads. And are you dogging the Browns? They are playing some good football. Not so much on D, but their O is pretty good. Edwards is the 3rd WR in a non PPR league. Not sure where he is in a PPR league....

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

- It may not be a 2-game fluke after all, Ronnie Brown may have in fact taken The Leap

- To all the people who say that having Boldin on the field "helps" Fitzgerald's stats...please...

- Willie Parker's best friend in the world should be Hines Ward and his blocking.

- All other things being equal, start the QB who happens to be playing the Lions. Unless he's Brian Griese of course

- Matt Schaub didn't put up great stats, but the kid pulled out a gutsy win. He's going to be a good one in this league for a while.

 

[chadjohnsonfan]

I've learned that this hobby is pretty much a crapshoot and throwing darts at a wall full of pictures of running backs will help you about as much as 3 months of homework. I've learned that a stud QB is a much better first-round pick than everyone thinks. And I've learned that sometimes, you're just cursed and there's nothing you can do about it.

After all of the sick analysis and work I put into this season, I've never been more convinced of this.FF is like Monopoly, strategy only works when things are going well enough for them to and its still a 50/50 issue.

 

[Jayrok]

I've learned to not pay a lot of attention to what most people post in the Shark Pool.

 

[TheFanatic]

- I've learned that I'm sick of seeing Peyton Manning out of uniform. I want to see the guy playing for the Colts not pitching every product that football fans are known to buy. Did this guy do nothing in the offseason but shoot commercials. Sure the schtick where he drafted every day people on his fantasy team (sign this for my brother, he loves you) was great, but enough already....

 

[helix]

Get the back-up RB's in high powered offenses. IE: KKeith, Watson and SMorris.

 

[malice]

- I've learned that I'm sick of seeing Peyton Manning out of uniform. I want to see the guy playing for the Colts not pitching every product that football fans are known to buy. Did this guy do nothing in the offseason but shoot commercials. Sure the schtick where he drafted every day people on his fantasy team (sign this for my brother, he loves you) was great, but enough already....

Actually, if you drafted guys that you didn't see in most of the preseason commercials, you'd probably be 5-0 right now.

 

[TheFanatic]

- I've learned that I'm sick of seeing Peyton Manning out of uniform. I want to see the guy playing for the Colts not pitching every product that football fans are known to buy. Did this guy do nothing in the offseason but shoot commercials. Sure the schtick where he drafted every day people on his fantasy team (sign this for my brother, he loves you) was great, but enough already....

Actually, if you drafted guys that you didn't see in most of the preseason commercials, you'd probably be 5-0 right now.

HAHAHA No kidding. The guy who does the second most commercials? Reggie Bush. That guy hasn't done squat this year....

 

[5-ish Finkle]

- I've learned that I'm sick of seeing Peyton Manning out of uniform. I want to see the guy playing for the Colts not pitching every product that football fans are known to buy. Did this guy do nothing in the offseason but shoot commercials. Sure the schtick where he drafted every day people on his fantasy team (sign this for my brother, he loves you) was great, but enough already....

I've learned by watching those commercial that Peyton Manning has Tyrannosaurus Rex arms. Dude is uber-disproportianate. He has the body and legs of a big man, but the arms and shoulders of a 14 year old boy. His giant head makes them look even smaller. My internal soundtrack does the "Grumpy from Land of the Lost" shriek every time I see him now.At least they don't compromise his ability to throw TDs to Reggie Wayne.

 

[kupcho1]

- Despite the loss, Derek Anderson can play in this league. I avoided him after he broke out because his schedule was tough, but he has played well against some strong defenses. It may be quite a while before the Brady Quinn era begins in Cleveland. Could Anderson/Quinn be the next Brees/Rivers situation?

Hmmm, not so sure about this one. Wasn't he sitting at 0 TDs, 3 INTs before the Browns scored a TD (in the 4th Quarter, down 20-3 at that point)?The Patriots scored TDs shortly after 2 of those 3 interceptions. I've watched a bit of the Browns games (despite the fact that they are rarely, if ever on in HD), and many of Anderson's throws are errant, even the ones that go for completion. (Case in point being one of Braylon Edwards' TDs, I think it was against Cincy, where he had to lay out and make a diving catch, sliding into the endzone.)Brees/Rivers?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Tomlinson hasn't had a good game yet . . . but he's the #3 fantasy RB right now.

Fantasy RBs in general have been kind of bad this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Tomlinson hasn't had a good game yet . . . but he's the #3 fantasy RB right now.Fantasy RBs in general have been kind of bad this year.

I kind of like it like that too, at least for a change. The last 10 years we've had Marshall Faulk, Priest, LJ and Lt2 just as one man wrecking crews for teams.This way, everyone's kind of even and it really shows the strength of some of your later round selections, trade abilities as well as using the waiver wire.

 

[TheFanatic]

Tomlinson hasn't had a good game yet . . . but he's the #3 fantasy RB right now.Fantasy RBs in general have been kind of bad this year.

I kind of like it like that too, at least for a change. The last 10 years we've had Marshall Faulk, Priest, LJ and Lt2 just as one man wrecking crews for teams.This way, everyone's kind of even and it really shows the strength of some of your later round selections, trade abilities as well as using the waiver wire.

I would agree with that, but this is the first year I've had LT in my dynasty league

 

[Oscar]

The Patriots will go 16-0

Lance Briggs is everywhere

Ronnie Brown was very under-rated coming into this season

Shaun Alexander is and will continue to be an RB#2 at best for now on

and more importantly...

it must be pretty damn hard to stay healthy as a starting RB in the NFL. Too many of these injuries are killing me.

 

[GoBears84]

Don't start a #1 WR against JAX

 

[pollardsvision]

-jack del rio's preseason QB decision looks pretty brilliant. so brilliant, in fact, that he now should be taking heat for not making it 3 years ago. garrard is playing lights out and leftwich just made harrington look like a hero.

 

[malice]

Don't start a #1 WR against JAX

Since week 1, it hasn't been a good idea to start a #1 RB against them either (haven't given up more than 50 yds).

 

[TheFanatic]

Don't start a #1 WR against JAX

Since week 1, it hasn't been a good idea to start a #1 RB against them either (haven't given up more than 50 yds).

Malice you beat me to it. Look at what they did to LJ yesterday. That's sick....

 

[FavreCo]

If you want longevity as an NFL QB, do not jam your helmet into an oncoming 300 lb. lineman. That would be showing stupidity.

 

[perry147]

-McNabb is not the Eagles offensive key - Westbrook is. This situation seems very similar to me like the Kurt Warner - Faulk combo - not the points produced angle but in the perception angle. Many thought Warner was the magic key to the Rams offense, then Bill Belichick figured out that the key was Faulk. If you stop Faulk you stop the Rams - same can be said for the Eagles and their offense.

- Warner still seems to have it.

- TJ Houch is the #1 fantasy WR in Cin.

- Wes Welker is a solid play almost every week.

 

[zoonation]

I've learned that I am convinced that the AFC and NFC are pretty equal conferences. When Dallas trounces thee Bills tonight it will set up the marquee matchup of the season thus far next week.

Oh,

and fantasy football is mostly luck. I drafted a team for one owner this year in my league and just grabbed random guys with no thought at all. He easily has the best team in the league.

finally...in leagues that give 6 points for passing tds, you need a top four QB.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

- That the Raiders very likely could win the AFC West.

 

[Todem]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

absolutely legal. he can be pissed if he wants, but that is a legal hit.

Totally right.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Two random observations:

1) Cam Cameron lost his nerve in the Houston game when he elected to punt instead of allowing Feely to attempt a go-ahead 54 yard field goal. It may have seemed the right decision at the time, but Kris Brown's heroics to win the game for the Texans really drove the point home. This is the kind of confidence-killing loss that can really haunt a team. I expect some lousy performances out of the Dolphins over the next month.

2) The offensive philosophy of the Saints is undergoing a sea change. Whereas last year they played dynamic big-play football, they are now playing a ball-control dink-and-dunk style to protect their defense. The Saints had TWO 10 min+ drives against Carolina! Given this philosophy, expect Saints skill position players to produce numbers more in line with the Jags than the Colts/Pats/etc. from here on out.

 

[Todem]

I have learned that Ronnie Brown has finally arrived and Cedric Benson ( although I already knew this for a while) will never arrive.

Brown has been very impressive to say the least. i have been his biggest critic. But Chatman lit a fire under his ### and obviously he is running with puprose and authority. I am curious though to see it against the better defenses and soon teams will start stacking against Brown like they do agianst LT and LJ...let's see how he handles it. But so far he has really taken the lead role and literally has ran away with it. As a huge Fins fan i am happy about that one bright spot on this team. Our OL is also really geling nicely.

Warner is back.

Manning and Brady are not human and Romo will show that tonight as well.

The first round this season has been a huge bust for the most part.

LT

LJ

Jackson

SA

Rudi

Maroney

The lack of TD's is killing top backs like Parker, Henry and even LT.

Westbrook is a superstar. Please get healthy and carry my teams again!!

This is the year of the WR.

 

[Ertic]

Mike 'Caveman' Sellers knows how to hit the truck stick!

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

It was on NFL Live or somesuch. It's out there. He was pissed, he aplogised. People should let it go.

 

[Avery]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.