After week 5, what have we learned? (1 Viewer)

[Avery]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

 

[EBF]

Most of Derek Anderson's stats came when the game was already out of hand. He makes some good plays, but he's pretty much the same player he was in college. Brilliant one moment. Throwing an INT the next. I'll be surprised if he ever puts it together.

Regarding Bush, you've been a skeptic all along. His YPC wasn't great and was especially bad in the second half, but 20 carries and 9 catches is still 20 carries and 9 catches. Anyone who gets that kind of work is going to have a pretty good season.

LenDale White on the other hand... . He's not getting it done so far.

 

[BigTex]

All the drafting and draft preparation in the world can not prepare you for the plaque that is the injury bug.

:(

 

[TheFanatic]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man :(

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

Last I checked, the only illegal block is to go for the knees while someone is engaged with another player. I don't think Green intended to hit the guy's knee in particular. I just think he was going for his legs. RB's do that all the time when protecting the QB. If he tries to block the guy's body Green is going to bounce off like rag doll. He had to throw himself in front of the guy to stop him and the only way to do that is by hitting the guy low. But to say the hit was cheap, please tell me you actually believe that a 37 year old QB even fathoms how to hurt a 300 LB lineman while blocking for a teammate. That never entered his mind. He was trying to slow the guy down and not get killed in the process. He didn't do very well on either account....

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man :(

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

A) I edited because the opening sentence of my post was overly harsh. Don't care much one way or the other about the Texans. And there's no anger - sarcasm is just my default today - sorry. Again, that's why I went back and edited it.b) Legal or not, cheap shot. And actually, I remember the announcers saying something about it not being a legal block at the time.

I do take issue with how overprotected the QBs in the league are to the point where breathing on them can be a 15 yard penalty, but we all ignore the fact that chop blocks like the one Green threw are just as bad - if not more threatening to a player's career - than a late hit.

I hope he gets better and this concussion is not the one that hurts him long term, that he can either come back (a huge risk I wouldn't take) or at least retire without severe medical problems.

But chopping at a player's knees - outwieghed or not - is inexcusable.

And you're right - taunting a guy laid out on the turf is equally so.

 

[Avery]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

A) I edited because the opening sentence of my post was overly harsh. Don't care much one way or the other about the Texans. And there's no anger - sarcasm is just my default today - sorry. Again, that's why I went back and edited it.b) Legal or not, cheap shot. And actually, I remember the announcers saying something about it not being a legal block at the time.

I do take issue with how overprotected the QBs in the league are to the point where breathing on them can be a 15 yard penalty, but we all ignore the fact that chop blocks like the one Green threw are just as bad - if not more threatening to a player's career - than a late hit.

I hope he gets better and this concussion is not the one that hurts him long term, that he can either come back (a huge risk I wouldn't take) or at least retire without severe medical problems.

But chopping at a player's knees - outwieghed or not - is inexcusable.

And you're right - taunting a guy laid out on the turf is equally so.

Disagree with some of your points but

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

A) I edited because the opening sentence of my post was overly harsh. Don't care much one way or the other about the Texans. And there's no anger - sarcasm is just my default today - sorry. Again, that's why I went back and edited it.b) Legal or not, cheap shot. And actually, I remember the announcers saying something about it not being a legal block at the time.

I do take issue with how overprotected the QBs in the league are to the point where breathing on them can be a 15 yard penalty, but we all ignore the fact that chop blocks like the one Green threw are just as bad - if not more threatening to a player's career - than a late hit.

I hope he gets better and this concussion is not the one that hurts him long term, that he can either come back (a huge risk I wouldn't take) or at least retire without severe medical problems.

But chopping at a player's knees - outwieghed or not - is inexcusable.

And you're right - taunting a guy laid out on the turf is equally so.

Disagree with some of your points but

Thank you sir. You have made some equally good points in the discussion as well. Perhaps the block is legal, but perhaps it's one that should be looked at more carefully.(I do also agree with another poster who said it's unlikely Green had the time to think much other than 'stop guy, don't get creamed'. )

I don't mind good debate. And I'm sure we all hope Green can recover from this soon.

 

[perry147]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

Jackson clearly was not thinking - he was very angry about the hit as would anyone.

 

[Avery]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

rGreen was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

Hmmmm.. Was that you on the field? Didn't recognize you without your uniform.We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'

It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

I don't understand your anger or sarcasm. Perhaps you are a big Texans fan and backing your boys.I (obviously) wasn't on the field but I did watch the play. Frankly, I don't think Jackson was thinking much at all and considering how he continued to pile on after the game with quotes like "God don't like ugly" until Kubiak reeled him in, he doesn't seem to be the cerebral sort.

FYI, it was a legal block.

Jackson clearly was not thinking - he was very angry about the hit as would anyone.

How about after the game when he continued with a profanity laced tirade in the locker room directed at Green after green had to be stapped down to a stretcher and taken off the field?Maybe he should be thinking to shut the Hell up by then.

 

[clinton_c]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

The lineman was Travis Johnson. The cut didn't look intentional, just coming from an inexperienced tackler as a QB trying to block a guy twice his size. It was an illegal block and Johnson had every right to be pissed b/c intentional or not, his knees are his livelihood. With that said, he shouldn't have opened his mouth at the end of the game. Side note: Ive only seen the local Houston coverage show that he did apologize for taunting and going off, and not one national media source stating the apology so far.

absolutely legal. he can be pissed if he wants, but that is a legal hit.

Just because it was "legal" dosen't mean that it wasn't "dirty"Trent Green is a nice guy and a tough football player, but that was a dangerous play...not only to him, but also to Johnson.I think Johnson had every right to be upset about that play.If it would not have gave Green a concussion, and had tore up Johnson's knee...how would everyone feel then?I think we will be seeing a rule change this offseason on that one.

 

[TheFanatic]

How about after the game when he continued with a profanity laced tirade in the locker room directed at Green after green had to be stapped down to a stretcher and taken off the field?Maybe he should be thinking to shut the Hell up by then.

 

[awesomeness]

do not the majority of RB's go at the defender's knees when blocking for their QB?

 

[Avery]

do not the majority of RB's go at the defender's knees when blocking for their QB?

Just guessing, but I bet there is a correlation to the size of the RB vs. the size of the defender coming at him as related to the type of block thrown.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

do not the majority of RB's go at the defender's knees when blocking for their QB?

Yes, but the defender pretty much always sees them coming. I don't think Johnson saw Green coming.Green's block was legal.It was also a bit dangerous, so I can understand why Johnson was upset.On the other hand, most QBs who throw blocks (e.g., on reverses) do go low on defenders. It's a pretty normal thing for a QB to do unless maybe we're talking about Daunte Culpepper or Ben Roethlisberger or someone.

 

[awesomeness]

do not the majority of RB's go at the defender's knees when blocking for their QB?

Yes, but the defender pretty much always sees them coming. I don't think Johnson saw Green coming.Green's block was legal.It was also a bit dangerous, so I can understand why Johnson was upset.On the other hand, most QBs who throw blocks (e.g., on reverses) do go low on defenders. It's a pretty normal thing for a QB to do unless maybe we're talking about Daunte Culpepper or Ben Roethlisberger or someone.

Well put. I dont know why people are so negative on what Trent Green did when it is a common tactic used in the game. A guy chirpin at a man lying on the ground who looks unconcious is sickening.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I've learned that I am convinced that the AFC and NFC are pretty equal conferences. When Dallas trounces thee Bills tonight it will set up the marquee matchup of the season thus far next week.

I hope DAL-NE is a good game, but I don't think the NFC is as good as the AFC, and I don't think this week's games support the notion of parity.In the AFC-NFC matchups this week, the Steelers trounced the Seahawks, the Colts beat the Bucs, the Ravens beat the Niners, and the Giants beat the Jets. Now the Bills are leading the Cowboys, so it looks like it could potentially be a 4-1 advantage for the AFC.

 

[Todem]

do not the majority of RB's go at the defender's knees when blocking for their QB?

Yes, but the defender pretty much always sees them coming. I don't think Johnson saw Green coming.Green's block was legal.

It was also a bit dangerous, so I can understand why Johnson was upset.

On the other hand, most QBs who throw blocks (e.g., on reverses) do go low on defenders. It's a pretty normal thing for a QB to do unless maybe we're talking about Daunte Culpepper or Ben Roethlisberger or someone.

Well put. I dont know why people are so negative on what Trent Green did when it is a common tactic used in the game. A guy chirpin at a man lying on the ground who looks unconcious is sickening.

Probably the most classless thing I have ever seen in NFL history. Just unreal.

 

[Avery]

After the Sunday and Monday night games, I've learned it ain't over 'til it's over.

 

[Ariakis]

We learned that Nick Folk Hero is what Dallas hasn't had in a LONG time. Can you imagine any of the kickers Dallas had trotted out there the past few years were in that situation?

 

[Gopher State]

I learned:

That Reggie Bush still cannot run between the tackles and is overrated as a FF player

Lee Evans will always break out when he is on your Bench(MAYBE)

Sammy Morris is a good RB, who will end up with more FF points then LM

Tony R. is not a bad Rex clone, he call pull out a game when needed.

S. Young is the most hyped RB in FF this week, but will end up sharing the ball in Denver.

 

[switz]

Dallas is not going to stand up to a good defense. The Pats should easily beat them. The only time they scored was when Buf was tired.

 

[The Hank]

We learned that Nick Folk Hero is what Dallas hasn't had in a LONG time. Can you imagine any of the kickers Dallas had trotted out there the past few years were in that situation?

The man was en fuego tonight!FG's from 53, 47, 37, 29... The reason why I won my game this week!

 

[EBF]

I learned:That Reggie Bush still cannot run between the tackles and is overrated as a FF player

Did you reach that conclusion from the box score or did you actually watch the game?From the FBG game recap:

Where Bush was most impressive was on runs between the tackles, and he was able to consistently pick up the necessary yards to keep the two long drives alive.

 

[TheFanatic]

I learned:

That Reggie Bush still cannot run between the tackles and is overrated as a FF player

Lee Evans will always break out when he is on your Bench(MAYBE)

Sammy Morris is a good RB, who will end up with more FF points then LM

Tony R. is not a bad Rex clone, he call pull out a game when needed.

S. Young is the most hyped RB in FF this week, but will end up sharing the ball in Denver.

Was that a Romo/Rex Grossman comparison?

 

[ChrisHenrysDD]

I've learned that the NFC is still not very good, which is not what I thought at the beginning of the year. I thought this would be the year that the power started to shift back to the NFC.

But the Saints are terrible, the Bears still can't get their offense together, but somehow managed to beat the Packers- who are an incomplete team. The Seahawks and Bucs got railroaded by teams with 5 and 6 starters out respectively.

I'll reserve my judgment on Dallas until next week, but if the Bills defense can confuse Romo so badly, I shudder to think what New England is going to do to him. And it seems to me, that besides draw plays, their O-line can't run block to save their lives.

 

[gianmarco]

I learned that Jacobs does indeed deserve to be the starter and may be a lot of fun to watch. And this is in no way a knock on Ward as he's looked pretty damn good himself.

I also learned that there is no such thing as a sure thing in FF. (having a 1 pt lead with TO going vs. the other guy having Nick Folk should been a gimme. It was. For him)

And I learned that Travis Henry is potentially one of the biggest idiots in the NFL if he smoked away a $20 million contract.

 

[az_prof]

I've learned that this hobby is pretty much a crapshoot and throwing darts at a wall full of pictures of running backs will help you about as much as 3 months of homework. I've learned that a stud QB is a much better first-round pick than everyone thinks. And I've learned that sometimes, you're just cursed and there's nothing you can do about it.

Amen to that; where do we get exorcized?

 

[davearm]

I learned that a lot of FBGs don't know the difference between a cut block and a chop block.

 

[az_prof]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

Let's stick to the facts: it was a LEGAL block.

 

[NoFBinLA]

- Taunting a guy that's unconscious? What a man

whoever that lineman was who trent green tried to low block when he wasn't looking. I'm not saying trent did it intentionally, and I'm not saying the guy was right for taunting him after he got KTFO'd.....but I would be pretty pissed about getting cut in the knees too.

A) he had no clue Green was down for the countb) the block Green threw was illegal. Green was quoted as saying last night/this morning 'he outwieghs me by 100lbs, what should I do?' So he meant to take the dude's knees out. Which is effed up.

I don't wish harm on anyone, but Green did that too himself.

Green was lying on the ground, crumpled up in an unnatural position and motionless. Scary and kinda corpse like. Everybody knew he was down for the count.

We'll never know what he thought -- other than 'Thank God my knee is ok....'It was a cheap hit - Green had no business throwing it. I hope he heals, but enough making this DL out to be the bad guy and ignoring a cheap block that could have ended a career.

Taunting might have been chicken poop - so was that hit.

Let's stick to the facts: it was a LEGAL block.

Yes, as I said earlier, I stand corrected. And you can keep chanting that - doesn't make it less dangerous or cheap. I think the rule needs to be changed - you want to protect the QB, more power to you. You need to protect the other players too.

I can't help but wonder what the conversation would be if it was the defensive player taken off the field on a stretcher, clutching his knee.

 

[H.K.]

Dallas is not going to stand up to a good defense. The Pats should easily beat them. The only time they scored was when Buf was tired.

The Super Bowl winner will be the AFC champion. No great news there, but Dallas can't hang with the Colts, Pats, Steelers, etc. and nobody else in the NFC can either.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I learned somebody named Matt Moore is the backup QB in Carolina.

If the guy is unconscious, and therefore can't hear you, is it really taunting?

Despite not getting more than a FG for his team, Trent Edwards looks like he might be a real QB some day.

Detroit has NO defense. None.

NE can play like crap and still cover a 16 1/2 point spread.

Not that this is news, but like every year there are a couple really good teams, a couple really bad teams, and the difference between everyone else is very small. Injuries, a few plays here and there each game, and luck will likely determine who will be 6-10 and who will be 10-6.

Mt. TO looked like it was starting to rumble last night. If NE can shut him down again, will we start to see an eruption?

There's some ugly football being played out there.

There will be a couple games a year when your kicker has to win (or lose) the game for you. If you're Baltimore, there are about 10 such games.