Ahman Green's Status for this year? (1 Viewer)

[The Mechanic]

My Gawd,

This is the typical Green Bay thread during the off-season that drives me crazy.  Silly, over-the-top statements that might as well be Democrats Vs. Republicans.  All talk and no results.

GREEN:

No one knows.  It's all speculation beyond any touch with reality.  The guy went 5 years as the NUMBER ONE RB in yards from scrimmage in the NFL.  He "could" play!  He has Incredible Mileage during those 5 years, probably as many touches as anyone in the league BUT, he didn't get a lot of mileage early in Seattle so the argument can have 2 faces.  One thing that bothers me is that he himself traces the injury all the way back to college, which makes me think it may never heal perfectly (not that I'm a doctor).  Yes he had fumbling problems that did hurt the team YET he was also so good that it often was overlooked.  He has also improved over the years on the fumbling front.  He's tough, played through other injuries and has been a top talent, can he do it again?  There is no answer yet but to me it has to be considered a medium to long-shot.

GADO:

He played for Liberty, for Christ's sake (literal or figurative) and mostly as a backup.  He had NO serious coaching until the Kansas City practice squad and then the Packers.  ANYONE who watched him play a few times in a row could easily see his burst, desire and good size.  It's amazing that he did what he did being tossed into the fire the way he was.  If you can't see his potential then you aren't much of a scout.  Both AGreen and TBarber are examples of guys who fumbled LESS when it was emphasized by the coaches so it's NOT an incurable problem.  He can't either be discounted or entirely counted on, DUH!

DAVENPORT:  He's Mr. What-If.  Played great in spurts but that's the best you can say about him.  You can extrapolate his Best and his Worst and he can seem Great or Worthless.  Any team would be silly to "depend" on him as the man.  That doesn't mean he CAN'T do it, it simply means it would be the first time if he did manage to do it.

Big Score & FlaVVed:

You guys crack me up.  FlaVVed, the fumbling HAS been an issue and denying it does NOT make it go away.  Big Score, the Green for Vinson trade was a GREAT deal in NFL history, Alexander had nothing to do with that transaction, bringing that up as an argument is silly.  You guys need a Death-Match cage that would leave this thread alone.

Traders2001:

You may wanna rethink your WHOLE evaluation of the situation.  The Packers defense was not as bad as your assumptions, that's for sure.  They finished 7th in yards given up (top 3rd) and 20th in Points given up (2nd 3rd, albeit at the bottom).  Your comments about the running game are preposterous.  You said they need 30-40 rushing attempts per game.  Let me introduce you to a concept called MATH.  30 carries a game = 480 for a season.  35 carries a game = 560 for a season.  Since 1992, when Favre took over as the starting QB, the ONLY time the Packers ever even went over the 480 mark was in 2003 when Favre broke his thumb and Grren carried the load (season total of 507 rushing attempts).  The next highest total was 465 in 1996 which is an average of 29 carries per game.  Please go to JAIL, do not pass GO and do NOT post again about the Packers unless you think first.

Everyone, resume your duties.

Edited to ADD:

I forgot the change to the Zone-blocking scheme.  All 3 backs (Green, Davenport and Gado) have the burst and style to excel in this system, in my silly humble opinion, that change favors no one.

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WELL. Now that the opinions are in, and I thank you all, I think I'll just stay away from this mess unless there is value at the lader part of the draft.

 

[Keysersoze666]

Hey Mechanic:

You make a great point which supports how I think:

It's TOO EARLY to make sweeping statements, let alone assess VALUE.

This has just been message board posturing for the most part, it's FUN yet has no value in deciding what to do.

 

[Big Score]

Big Score & FlaVVed:

You guys crack me up.  FlaVVed, the fumbling HAS been an issue and denying it does NOT make it go away.  Big Score, the Green for Vinson trade was a GREAT deal in NFL history, Alexander had nothing to do with that transaction, bringing that up as an argument is silly. 

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Keysersoze666,If you can't see how trading Green away in 2000 relates to them drafting Alexander a couple of months later, then you can't see it.

 

[Duffy]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet. Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

If the Giants had done their homework, Alexander would've been in NY, and Dayne potentially a Seahawk.

Don't let Holmgren's and the Seahawks good fortune cloud the fact that Green Bay got a screaming deal when they acquired Ahman Green via trade. If Vinson had been able to overcome his injury, the trade may have been a little more balanced. But he didn't and it wasn't.

As a Seahawk fan at the time, I remember thinking Holmgren was a fool for letting Green go for so little. Watters was still effective, but slowing down...and it appeared that Green's fumbling was the only real negative in his game. He had demonstrated big play potential most every time he touched the ball, yet he was never given a real chance by Holmgren. But by trading him away just before the draft, he let the rest of the NFL know of his need for another RB. He was lucky it didn't blow up in his face.

If this quad tendon really has been hampering Green's game since college, maybe he comes back stronger than ever.

 

[Big Score]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet.  Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

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When teams lose players at positions via whatever channel - Free Agency, Retirement, Injury, Trade etc...etc...etc... they replace the lost piece of the puzzle via the Draft, Free Agency Acquisition, Trade etc...etc...etc... In this instance, the piece of the puzzle that Seattle lost was Green, via trade and the way they replaced that piece of the puzzle was through the draft, with Alexander.

This ain't Rocket Science people, it's how NFL teams have operated from the beginning.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet.  Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

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This ain't Rocket Science people, it's how NFL teams have operated from the beginning.
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Getting fleeced in trades?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet.  Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

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When teams lose players at positions via whatever channel - Free Agency, Retirement, Injury, Trade etc...etc...etc... they replace the lost piece of the puzzle via the Draft, Free Agency Acquisition, Trade etc...etc...etc... In this instance, the piece of the puzzle that Seattle lost was Green, via trade and the way they replaced that piece of the puzzle was through the draft, with Alexander.

This ain't Rocket Science people, it's how NFL teams have operated from the beginning.

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[SIZE=21pt]BUT THEY GOT NOTHING IN RETURN FOR GREEN[/SIZE]

 

[Big Score]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet.  Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

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This ain't Rocket Science people, it's how NFL teams have operated from the beginning.
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Getting fleeced in trades?
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Alexander

 

[Big Score]

Alexander can't be included as part of the Green/Vinson trade equation, as he hadn't been drafted yet.  Holmgren had no idea that Alexander would be available to the Seahawks at their draft spot and lucked out big time when he fell to them in that draft.

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When teams lose players at positions via whatever channel - Free Agency, Retirement, Injury, Trade etc...etc...etc... they replace the lost piece of the puzzle via the Draft, Free Agency Acquisition, Trade etc...etc...etc... In this instance, the piece of the puzzle that Seattle lost was Green, via trade and the way they replaced that piece of the puzzle was through the draft, with Alexander.

This ain't Rocket Science people, it's how NFL teams have operated from the beginning.

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[SIZE=21pt]BUT THEY GOT NOTHING IN RETURN FOR GREEN[/SIZE]
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Except Alexander

 

[msommer]

Fla\/\/ed, Big Score, you can keep this up for awhile and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

On the other hand is it very hard to see tha Holmgren did not want Green in SEA?

And is it very hard to see that Alexander falling to the Seahawks was a stroke of luck?

FOr better or worse Green ended in GB and did fine for awhile and then not so fine.

Is he going to do fine in 2006 is the question - andMechanic nailed saying it is too early to tell.

In the mean time, if you are going into the GB RB circus you had better get both Green and Gado -and maybe Davenport

 

[RAPTURE]

Packers | A. Green in uniform at minicamp

Fri, 5 May 2006 20:13:35 -0700

Cliff Christl, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ahman Green was in uniform Friday, May 5, and took part in some light running and stretching early in practice. Head coach Mike McCarthy said he would not go full speed until at least the start of training camp.

RAPTURE

 

[Biabreakable]

Packers | A. Green in uniform at minicamp

Fri, 5 May 2006 20:13:35 -0700

Cliff Christl, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ahman Green was in uniform Friday, May 5, and took part in some light running and stretching early in practice. Head coach Mike McCarthy said he would not go full speed until at least the start of training camp.

RAPTURE

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