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"Al Davis ruining the Oakland Raiders" (1 Viewer)

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"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns

 
Choose the next Michael Silver article you'd like to see:

- "Donald Sterling ruining the Clippers"

- "Anybody noticed these GAS PRICES lately?"

- "Caddyshack II wasn't all that good -- I'll tell you why"

 
Seriously though Al Davis is ruining the Raiders. Basketball and Baseball can get away with firing a coach mid-season, but firing a coach mid-season in football is practically asking for another losing season.

DAMN YOU AL DAVIS! DAMN YOU!

 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
 
The three-word mantra is as ironic as it is iconic, a simple mission statement in which the connotation is now opposite its literal meaning.

Just win, baby.

Yeah, right.

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As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt.

He wants to win a never-ending game of Feel My Power; in this case, even if he has to sacrifice an entire football season to do it.

We know this because Davis, 79, has a different way of doing business than everyone in professional sports. That used to be a good thing, at least in terms of the bottom line, as Davis' teams had consistent success for nearly four decades. But since Oakland got plastered in Super Bowl XXXVII by the Buccaneers and Jon Gruden, another coach with whom he couldn't coexist, the Raiders have been the least victorious team in the NFL.

Over the last five-plus seasons, Oakland is a league-worst 20-62. That's six defeats more than the next two most futile franchises during that stretch: the 49ers and Lions.

It's not being a "hater" to point this out; it's stating the obvious.

The Raiders are awful. The way they do business is laughable. Their corporate culture is cancerous. And all of this can be traced to one man and his never-ending mission to show everyone who's boss.

This is not a new thing. Twelve years ago, I wrote an article for Sports Illustrated that detailed Davis' destructive leadership approach, right down to his practice of dropping a towel and making a team employee wipe his shoes.

How would you like to work in such an environment?

Davis has already had five head coaches this decade.

(Getty/Justin Sullivan)

Bringing this back to the present: How would you like to be the head coach of an NFL team, having just completed your first season – one in which most of your players felt there had been signs of progress despite a 4-12 record – and one day you show up to work and, on your desk, there is a letter drafted by your boss: "I, Lane Kiffin, hereby resign … "

That's what happened to Kiffin back in January. He had two years left on his contract, and by resigning he would have forfeited $4 million. So he decided not to quit, figuring that if Davis wanted him gone that badly, the owner could cut him a check and move on to the next victim. He acted out by spending a week as the coach of the North team in the Senior Bowl without wearing any clothes containing the Raiders' logo and waited for the axe to fall.

At the time, I tried to give Davis the benefit of the doubt in terms of his evaluation of Kiffin. From my vantage point, things had improved considerably from the previous year, when Art Shell's second stint as the Raiders' coach proceeded in disastrous fashion. I also found it odd that Davis, the only person in the world who viewed Kiffin as a viable NFL head coaching candidate at the time the hire was made, had reversed his opinion so abruptly.

But hey, I figured, it's his team, and if he wants to cut his losses, so be it.

Sources said Davis blamed Kiffin for impelling him to trade wideout Randy Moss to the Patriots for a fourth-round draft pick, chafing as the Raider washout set an NFL record with 23 touchdown receptions. The owner groused about Kiffin's decision to start Josh McCown over Daunte Culpepper at quarterback. He was also angered by reports that Kiffin had sought the Arkansas job before it was filled in December.

The final sin came when Kiffin told Davis he wanted to replace defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. At that moment the owner apparently decided he'd rather replace Kiffin. Yet he didn't have the foresight or guts to do it the traditional way.

It was around that time that Kiffin got his predrafted resignation letter, as well as a directive from Davis stating that the owner would have control over Kiffin's staff and over all personnel decisions. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Kiffin was also informed that he and his closest ally in the organization, director of football development Mark Jackson, wouldn't be involved in the scouting, planning or selecting of players in the draft.

Shortly thereafter Davis hired James Lofton as receivers coach without having Kiffin speak to the former Hall of Fame wideout.

Yet Davis still wouldn't fire his coach. A source told me Kiffin could have been bought out for as little as $1.7 million. But even if he'd had to pay the full $4 million, that shouldn't have caused Davis to pause. Having sold 20 percent of the team to a group of venture capitalists a few months earlier, he had all the cash he needed.

This was obvious as Davis doled out serious helpings of guaranteed money to free agents Gibril Wilson ($16 million), Javon Walker ($16 million) and Tommy Kelly ($18.125 million) and trade acquisition DeAngelo Hall ($24.55 million), among others.

Of course, Davis' reluctance to fire Kiffin had nothing to do with money. It was about not giving the insolent employee the satisfaction of leaving on his own terms. It was about torturing him until he caved and reminding him and everyone else that Davis rules the Raider Universe.

In other words, it was about everything but winning football games

How did Davis suppose his franchise would perform under such an arrangement? The owner wanted to fire the coach, who wanted to fire the defensive coordinator – yet here they were after a toxic offseason, and everyone was supposed to pretend it was all good?

Apply this model to any business, and imagine what it might do to workplace morale. The players aren't stupid – if they know that the head coach has been emasculated, that the owner's pets will enjoy what amounts to unquestioned job security, some of them will have a very different reaction to the coach's authority (or lack thereof) than they would in a more conventional situation.

That's why Davis' bitterness over Moss' departure is so ludicrous, for the owner completely misses the point: In a dysfunctional situation like the one in Oakland, he would always have been a checked-out underachiever. Only in a stable situation like New England's, with a culture of professionalism and veteran leaders (and a strong head coach) to enforce it, could Moss maximize his potential.

The fact that Davis allowed a coach he wanted gone to stay on the job through September is absurd enough. Even worse, Davis and his minions are now hell-bent on undermining what's left of Kiffin's credibility – again, at the expense of the team's ability to prepare for those ancillary events that take place on Sundays.

I'm not saying Kiffin has handled all of this in the best possible manner. After the Raiders' embarrassing, 41-14 defeat to the Broncos in their season opener, he probably shouldn't have answered a reporter's question about defensive strategy by saying, essentially, that such matters are between Ryan and Davis. But Kiffin is young, and he's clearly under a lot of day-to-day stress. And, most of all, he's a coach who probably wants to get fired as soon as possible, so he can cash out and get on with his coaching life.

Determined not to let Kiffin get his way, Davis is doing everything in his power to derail that plan.

First he reportedly ordered Ryan to rebut Kiffin's comments about the defensive strategy, which resulted in an 18-minute, profanity-laced tirade. (A source said Davis wasn't thrilled with Ryan's performance because the defensive coordinator forgot one of the key talking points: That a specific defense endorsed by Kiffin had been particularly ineffective against the Broncos. Incredible, and only in Raiderland.)

Then Davis, through his subordinates, floated media reports last week that Kiffin was about to be fired. The Raiders' 23-8 upset of the Chiefs in Kansas City on Sunday – and/or the owner's whims – staved off the inevitable.

On Wednesday, according to reports, senior executive John Herrera went around the press room at the team's Alameda training facility distributing copies of an espn.com column critical of Kiffin. A source says the team's public relations director, Mike Taylor, has also taken an active role in advocating for Davis' position, at the head coach's expense.

Think about how preposterous that is – at least two team officials are essentially engaged in a campaign to turn public opinion against a man who is theoretically the most important employee on the football side of the organization.

Gee, I wonder why this team loses so much.

If Davis can't get Kiffin to quit, sources say, he's trying to build a case against having to pay him the balance of his contract, on the grounds of insubordination. I suspect that at this point, the best Kiffin can hope for is that Davis will fire him and withhold the remainder of the cash he's owed. Kiffin can then file a grievance that probably won't get resolved, one way or another, for a year or more.

If Kiffin has to wait for his buyout – or if it never comes – Davis will undoubtedly feel a sick sense of satisfaction. It'll be another victory for a man who long ago started caring more about winning the petty wars he creates in his paranoid world than the games his fan base actually cares about, and Lofton or Ryan or Tom Rathman or Denny Green (if Davis is lucky) will be heralded as the next savior who'll help restore the greatness of the Raiders.

It's a sad state of affairs for a once-proud franchise, one which, I feel, deserves a new motto in line with the times. So I took the liberty of creating one.

It's not quite as snappy as the current, three-word staple, but it's a lot less disingenuous:

Just feel my power, and cave under the onslaught of pressure I unleash until you commit enough acts that my lawyers decree are insubordinate, baby.

That's a very strange way to run a business, but hey, he's the boss.

 
On a side note if he lives as long as his mother, Raiders fans only have another 24 years of futility. His mom passed away at 103 yrs old.

 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.

 
Fans rally to keep Kiffin

A group of Raiders fans has organized an online petition at KeepKiffin.com advocating for team owner Al Davis to retain head coach Lane Kiffin. Davis is said to be close to firing Kiffin, in his second year as Oakland's head coach.

Here's a highlight from the petition, which fans can sign here:

"It has become evident in the last decade that there is political turmoil within the organization. The last five seasons have seen as many head coaches leading the Raiders in tangents. The result has been catastrophic. Enter Lane Kiffin, a young and vibrant coach that has begun to right the organization's direction. However, his strengths as a coach and person also have been condemned by the Raiders officials. Mr. Lane Kiffin has introduced an attitude and vigor which has not been demonstrated by an Oakland Raiders head coach in many years. ... This letter is in petition against the Oakland Raiders organization hindering Mr. Lane Kiffin's efforts ... Kiffin has not been given sufficient time nor freedom to adequately install and develop the necessary components of his coaching philosophy."

Skimming through the fans who have already signed, there looks to be many members of Raiders Nation unhappy with Al Davis.

:football:

http://www.keepkiffin.com/

 
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"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.
Have you ever tried to watch a Raider game on TV in the Bay Area?
 
On a side note if he lives as long as his mother, Raiders fans only have another 24 years of futility. His mom passed away at 103 yrs old.
Really, I don't know if I'd consider a Super Bowl appearance, an AFC Championship game appearance, and being victimized by the "worst call ever".....Luckett's famous "Tuck Ruling"......from another championship run, all this decade, futility.If this is futility then I'd sure hate to be Bengals, Lions, Cardinals, Bills (4 Super Bowl LOSSES in a row), Saints, Falcons, Vikings, Jets, and numerous other teams who've either NEVER even sniffed Super Bowl turf or have NEVER won The Game in their existence, and/or have been either absent from or just casual participants in the playoffs for far too long.........Sure, the Raiders have struggled mightily over the past few years, no denying that, but I'd still bet the farm that the Raiders turn into a serious contender well before MOST, if not ALL, of the teams I listed here.....
 
On a side note if he lives as long as his mother, Raiders fans only have another 24 years of futility. His mom passed away at 103 yrs old.
Really, I don't know if I'd consider a Super Bowl appearance, an AFC Championship game appearance, and being victimized by the "worst call ever".....Luckett's famous "Tuck Ruling"......from another championship run, all this decade, futility.
For the record, it wasn't Luckett. It was Walt Coleman.Whether it was a bad call is up for debate. It's the rule which sucks. Thing is, I don't think many other refs would have called it.
 
This is not news. Our only hope is for Al to have a moment of clarity, but his passing will be the best news we can hope for.

 
On a side note if he lives as long as his mother, Raiders fans only have another 24 years of futility. His mom passed away at 103 yrs old.
Really, I don't know if I'd consider a Super Bowl appearance, an AFC Championship game appearance, and being victimized by the "worst call ever".....Luckett's famous "Tuck Ruling"......from another championship run, all this decade, futility.If this is futility then I'd sure hate to be Bengals, Lions, Cardinals, Bills (4 Super Bowl LOSSES in a row), Saints, Falcons, Vikings, Jets, and numerous other teams who've either NEVER even sniffed Super Bowl turf or have NEVER won The Game in their existence, and/or have been either absent from or just casual participants in the playoffs for far too long.........Sure, the Raiders have struggled mightily over the past few years, no denying that, but I'd still bet the farm that the Raiders turn into a serious contender well before MOST, if not ALL, of the teams I listed here.....
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.
Have you ever tried to watch a Raider game on TV in the Bay Area?
As a Niner fan in the Bay Area, I'm happy when they don't sell out, because that means an decent game will be aired instead.
 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.
Have you ever tried to watch a Raider game on TV in the Bay Area?
As a Niner fan in the Bay Area, I'm happy when they don't sell out, because that means an decent game will be aired instead.
As a Raiders fan in Redding, I wish they would black out games here too.
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........
No, a serious contender actually MAKES the playoffs rather than just having their sights set on it.
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.
Have you ever tried to watch a Raider game on TV in the Bay Area?
As a Niner fan in the Bay Area, I'm happy when they don't sell out, because that means an decent game will be aired instead.
As a Raiders fan in Redding, I wish they would black out games here too.
:moneybag:
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
 
"As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders' game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he's suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner's obsession with victory.

It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt"

you can read the whole interview here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-t...o&type=lgns
In other news, the sun is hot.
Al Davis is ruining the Oakland Raiders? Since when is this new news, it has been happening for decades...boooooring
It's easy to be dismissive of this as "obvious" but I don't see Raiders fans bucking the organization, boycotting games, etc. to express their displeasure at this ridiculous tyrant ruining their organization while putting an inferior pathetic product on the field. Moreover, Silver has been on this story for more than a decade, and certainly longer than most. I know I wasn't hearing Raiders fans criticizing Davis when he wrote that first article in 1996.

The truth is that I have a much easier time defending mere ineptitude as is seen in places like Detroit and Cincy, than I do the malice that defines Davis' recent stewardship of the Raiders as indicated in his articles.

Davis is now a loser, and has been for some time. His priorities have nothing at all to do with wins and losses.
Have you ever tried to watch a Raider game on TV in the Bay Area?
As a Niner fan in the Bay Area, I'm happy when they don't sell out, because that means an decent game will be aired instead.
As a Raiders fan in Redding, I wish they would black out games here too.
Is it the silver part that you don't like?
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
Count the last Super Bowl appearance? Yeah, I'm going to count it.
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
If they didn't have Jon Gruden as head coach I doubt they would have contained the Raiders.
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
If they didn't have Jon Gruden as head coach I doubt they would have contained the Raiders.
Contained? Did you watch the game?
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
If they didn't have Jon Gruden as head coach I doubt they would have contained the Raiders.
Contained? Did you watch the game?
heres an idea...take a long walk around a short corner...j/k...jon gruden built the raider team he beat with tampa...his players ,his offence,his coach and his defense and most importantly his QB...he new the raiders better than anyone outside of the raiders organization...they didnt stand a chance...if gruden stayed with the raiders they most likely would have 1 or 2 SB during his tenure
 
What's your definition of "serious contender"? The Cardinals, Bills, Saints, and Jets could win their divisions this year.
So what if they win their division, a 1st Rd exit from the playoffs will follow.....A serious contender has their sight set on winning the Super Bowl, not simply making the playoffs........If you want to throw out hypotheticals, any team in the NFL can win their divisions this year......
Raiders haven't come close to winning one in what? 20 years?
5 years, 20 years, same thing.
You're going to count the last one as coming close? I would rather have my team lose in the conference championship game.
Count the last Super Bowl appearance? Yeah, I'm going to count it.
That last one was just a tragic, tragic episode in futility. I'm a Raider fan and that game was basically Jon Gruden #####-slapping Al Davis on an international stage and then laughing about it afterwards.
 
I'm hearing rumblings that Kiffin might just stay in Upstate NY but a little farther east after this weekend....

Anything that gets Greg Robinson's sorry butt out of there is ok with me.

 
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I'm hearing rumblings that Kiffin might just stay in Upstate NY but a little farther east after this weekend....Anything that gets Greg Robinson's sorry butt out of there is ok with me.
I don't see what the appeal would be in going from one bad situation to another.Syracuse football is in shambles. They are going to have a helluva time finding a quality coach, much like Oakland will also.
 
I'm hearing rumblings that Kiffin might just stay in Upstate NY but a little farther east after this weekend....Anything that gets Greg Robinson's sorry butt out of there is ok with me.
I don't see what the appeal would be in going from one bad situation to another.Syracuse football is in shambles. They are going to have a helluva time finding a quality coach, much like Oakland will also.
Currently in shambles, sure; but I don't have to tell you how many players they got in the NFL - traditionally it's not a bad job. Obviously they're not going to get a Cowher, but it shouldn't be too hard to lure an up&coming young guy (whether or not Kiffin fits that description I don't know). BTW I somehow didn't realize until recently that Al himself was a grad.
 
I'm hearing rumblings that Kiffin might just stay in Upstate NY but a little farther east after this weekend....Anything that gets Greg Robinson's sorry butt out of there is ok with me.
I don't see what the appeal would be in going from one bad situation to another.Syracuse football is in shambles. They are going to have a helluva time finding a quality coach, much like Oakland will also.
Currently in shambles, sure; but I don't have to tell you how many players they got in the NFL - traditionally it's not a bad job. Obviously they're not going to get a Cowher, but it shouldn't be too hard to lure an up&coming young guy (whether or not Kiffin fits that description I don't know). BTW I somehow didn't realize until recently that Al himself was a grad.
He's a Brooklyn boy. :thumbup:
 
There is one guy, one player in the NFL that could diffuse this whole situation.

Chad Johnson needs to send Al Davis a box of Depends. Think about how funny that would actually be given his past of sending out boxes containing Pepto.

Heck I bet Kiffin would give him a personal check to do it. Then Kiffin could have a press release announcing to the media his owner needs help with containment issues. What a better way to find out where the leak is in the organization.

 
the best job in the Raiders organization has got to be changing Al's diaper.
I don't usually participate in discussions like this because there are too many people that just throw in completely stupid comments like you did in the above quote.I don't care how much you hate the Raiders or how much of a comedian you think you are, but that was just plain rude, and very disrespectful.Do you have grandparents? How would YOU feel if someone said something like that about them?? Yeah, he owns the Raiders and yeah, he's up there in years now, but seriously, there really are other ways to spout off about how much you hate the decisions he has been making the last few years.Just sayin... :rolleyes:
 

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