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Al Davis (1 Viewer)

As a Steeler fan growing up in the 70's, while we always wanted to beat Oakland (of course), Al Davis made you want to beat them even more. I mean that in a respectful way because that just tells you what kind of impact he really made on the game, even though he wasn't a player, not many people can do that...true legend in every sense of the word.

I saw a documentary about the AFL, and it showed how the AFL was gaining ground on the NFL back in the 60's, eventually there was a deal cut between owners of the AFL and the NFL to merge. Al Davis was not in favor of merging, he wanted the AFL to be THE league and make the NFL just disband, tells you that not only was he great at what he did, he had alot of balls to go with it, which made him stand out from alot of owners in the league...like him or not, he was there to stay.

This day makes me remember when Art Rooney died, wish he couldv'e stayed around longer too...RIP AD.

 
Shocked, saddened, and very sorry to hear of AD's passing. The game just lost one of the greats, and got a little duller for it. Davis will be sorely missed. He was a true champion that others hated or envied. He forgot more about football than any other owner/coach/GM will ever know, retired or active. A genius with a heart, he supported so many worthy causes in the shadows, and opened the way for minorities and women to become head coaches and team executives. A true pioneer who did it his way, and the words COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE and PRIDE & POISE & the RAIDER MYSTIQUE will live forever in his honor. A great man.

RIP AD

 
The passing of any man is always sad, remorseful, leading to grief.

The passing of a great man further leads to reflection though.

Past: the development (maybe even invention) of the modern passing game and the creation of antiheroes in the NFL.

Future: Who will own the team now?

One of the keys to many of the teams held by older men - Ralph Wilson, Tom Benson for instance - is what kind of transition has been planned. What are the Raiders' plans for transition?

 
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Perhaps I'm reading it wrong. Good for football, after saying he is now officially rooting for the Raiders sends a message that it is good for football that Al died. If I am misinterpreting it, then my bad, but I've read it multiple times and it sure seems this is what he means.

RIP AL.

LHUCKS, I've been lurking for over a decade on these boards and thought your antics amusing, but 90% of the board is correct....you are an ###. Take your antics elsewhere and show some respect.

RIP AL

What a legacy.

Officially rooting for the Raiders now. I hope the new owner maintains the the Raider image...good for football.
Say what?
Somebody needs to give you an ### stamp....right after a few tutoring lessons in reading comprehension.
Well bud, I said if I misinterpreted it, my bad. The context and the moment made me touchy. Why you're so touchy and not reading the context and my entire post and threatening me, I have no clue. Go pound sand.
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Shocked, saddened, and very sorry to hear of AD's passing. The game just lost one of the greats, and got a little duller for it. Davis will be sorely missed. He was a true champion that others hated or envied. He forgot more about football than any other owner/coach/GM will ever know, retired or active. A genius with a heart, he supported so many worthy causes in the shadows, and opened the way for minorities and women to become head coaches and team executives. A true pioneer who did it his way, and the words COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE and PRIDE & POISE & the RAIDER MYSTIQUE will live forever in his honor. A great man.RIP AD
Agree with this. Gonna miss him alot.Especially around draft time although sometimes he missed i always looked forward to how far he would go away from what most expected
 
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
The passing of any man is always sad, remorseful, leading to grief.The passing of a great man further leads to reflection though.Past: the development (maybe even invention) of the modern passing game and the creation of antiheroes in the NFL.Future: Who will own the team now?One of the keys to many of the teams held by older men - Ralph Wilson, Tom Benson for instance - is what kind of transition has been planned. What are the Raiders' plans for transition?
He didn't have full ownership of the Raiders... But his son will take over from what I heard Mike Lombardi say on the NFL Network.. His son is not a "football guy" I imagine they'll hire a GM after this season. It will be intersting to see who gets the job. RIP Al Davis.
 
Been a Raider fan for over 30 years. Davis has really frustrated me for the last few years with his terrible draft and FA moves. I wanted Davis to to hire a GM and stay out of football operations. I knew that was never going to happen. That was not Al Davis.

There will never be another owner like him or another team like the "old" Raiders. Jerry Jones is the closest thing to Davis and it is not really that close. It is not possible for an owner to start from the ground floor on a team, stay with that team for 50 years, and be a maveric for 50 years in today's corporate NFL. The Raiders were a truly different NFL team. Sadly, the Raiders will soon be just like all the other teams. The NFL lost a legend.

 
Wasn't fond of Al Davis but I think I'm going to feel the same way about AD as I felt about George Steinbrenner. Couln't stand GS but I miss him

 
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Like him or not he was part of the growth and success of the NFL. RIP. :(
Agreed. Many of us have poked a little fun at him over recent years, but his impact on the NFL will endure forever. The NFL wouldn't be what it is today without his influence. R.I.P. Mr. Davis.
 
Bump D. Moore?
This is really all you morons can think about?
this is what has been pissing me off all day and not just on this board...all over the place. Neighbors, co-workers, " un " Raider fans....AHHHHH, do they not get that what the Raiders are is due to Al? And all the " now I can root for the Raiders" BS.... really? No respect from the cavemen.I admit, I need to relax on it some, but man it is wrong. Just wrong.
 
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Bump D. Moore?
This is really all you morons can think about?
this is what has been pissing me off all day and not just on this board...all over the place. Neighbors, co-workers, " un " Raider fans....AHHHHH, do they not get that what the Raiders are is due to Al? And all the " now I can root for the Raiders" BS.... really? No respect from the cavemen.I admit, I need to relax on it some, but man it is wrong. Just wrong.
Yes. It is wrong. But it's best to ignore the trolls. They are just younger fans, who never identified with or respected the NFL patriarchs and people who made the game what it is today. They grew up in an age of instant gratification and never understood rivalries or football tradition. They are not football fans, but fantasy fans. These types are fickle and use and throw away relationships as quickly as an ACL is torn. No loyalty or pride. It's an outlier that parallels societal woes.Raider fans feel the sorrow of the moment, and show class and dignity in the face of imprudent, imbecilic smart ### remarks by Raider haters. Don't be offended by these people. Feel sorry for them. Anyone who can try to find some backhanded humor in a person's death is a very shallow bitter person. Pray for them instead. Or just let them be. They expose themselves with their own words for the fools they are. Go Raiders! Silver and Black Pride. Long live Al Davis in our hearts and souls.
 
Bump D. Moore?
This is really all you morons can think about?
this is what has been pissing me off all day and not just on this board...all over the place. Neighbors, co-workers, " un " Raider fans....AHHHHH, do they not get that what the Raiders are is due to Al? And all the " now I can root for the Raiders" BS.... really? No respect from the cavemen.I admit, I need to relax on it some, but man it is wrong. Just wrong.
Yes. It is wrong. But it's best to ignore the trolls. They are just younger fans, who never identified with or respected the NFL patriarchs and people who made the game what it is today. They grew up in an age of instant gratification and never understood rivalries or football tradition. They are not football fans, but fantasy fans. These types are fickle and use and throw away relationships as quickly as an ACL is torn. No loyalty or pride. It's an outlier that parallels societal woes.Raider fans feel the sorrow of the moment, and show class and dignity in the face of imprudent, imbecilic smart ### remarks by Raider haters. Don't be offended by these people. Feel sorry for them. Anyone who can try to find some backhanded humor in a person's death is a very shallow bitter person. Pray for them instead. Or just let them be. They expose themselves with their own words for the fools they are. Go Raiders! Silver and Black Pride. Long live Al Davis in our hearts and souls.
Wow....you do realize that football is just a game right? Just a Sunday afternoon diversion from real life? I could understand an obsession with a person who truly made a difference in the world....but as much as an NFL icon as Al Davis was, he did not exactly change the world outside of the entertainment industry known as professional football. Nobody here is making a mockery of his death....but not everyone here is in mourning either.
 
Nobody here is making a mockery of his death....but not everyone here is in mourning either.
No one is asking for you to be in mourning. Al Davis meant a lot to some of us though. I have 4 plus decades of following Al's team. He's been an inspiration to me personally and it's hard to separate the Raiders from Al Davis. He was the team's identity. And if you don't think that no one is making a mockery of his death, you haven't been reading the other pages of this thread. AD is due respect at the bare minimum. If no one wants to pay him his due, then some should just be kind enough to lurk and stay quiet. He did more for the NFL than any man living today. His respect among his peers is universal. Why do some try to desparage his legacy at this time? I just don't understand that.
 
Respect due.

This man leaves a huge legacy in professional football and 90% of it is positive.

R.I.P Al Davis.

 
Have never been a Raiders fan, but football lost a legend today. My condolences to Raiders fans.

RIP Al Davis

 
Leave it to Raiders fans to class things up. :unsure:
And you're a mod? I remember when you were not. Way to go on a fishing trip to insight others. You are classless in this response. Not as a whole, just in this instance dude.Seriously Joe...what is up with this from Chase? Whom I do respect for FF and his contributions...but this is not acceptable for a mod of FGb/cheatsheets. Show some respect.
 
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I'm watching an interview with Marcus Allen right now. (Halftime of the UCLA game on Prime Ticket.) Allen, of course, had a long standing feud with Al Davis that got really somewhat ugly in the 80s and 90s.

"It's no secret we didn't always get along, but I always felt indebted and grateful for the opportunity he gave me."

Very short statement- pretty classy for a guy who obviously did NOT like Davis.

 
Leave it to Raiders fans to class things up. :unsure:
What does this even mean?So far it's the Raider's fans who have been respectful, it seems. I've seen them talking about his influence and how he impacted their football lives. I believe it's a lot of non Raider fans who seems to be the "classless" ones on the thread.You included? I would hope not - as an Admin. But I can't fathom why you'd come into a thread with a sub-titlle of "RIP" and toss out an insult. I said I'd leave it alone but couldn't resist replying when it's an Admin piling on.Are we reading you wrong? What Raiders fans (more than one?) have been classless? You lost me on this one.
 
Leave it to Raiders fans to class things up.

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And you're a mod? I remember when you were not. Way to go on a fishing trip to insight others. You are classless in this response. Not as a whole, just in this instance dude.Seriously Joe...what is up with this from Chase? Whom I do respect for FF and his contributions...but this is not acceptable for a mod of FGb/cheatsheets. Show some respect.
Lighten up, Francis. He meant that the Raider fans were the ones being classy for a change. (until your post, of course.)
 
Raider fans, let it go. For every person in here talking nonsense, there's 3 Bronco/Chief/Charger fans paying respect. Don't engage the contrarians. A little thanks to rivals that have posted here.

Al never got enough credit for his loyalty. Marcus Allen got done wrong, and a lot of that had to do with Al feeling like Marcus got too big. And that was Al's shortcoming. He wanted it to be about the Raiders, because for him, it was always about the Raiders. Marcus was the biggest star the Raiders ever had, and I don't think Al liked it.

Beyond that, he has a long history of taking care of his own. It never got as much coverage as the Allen story, because it's not as interesting to hear about an owner doing right by old players. But Madden mentioned it in his first book, and it isn't just a Plunkett or Atkinson getting a TV gig. Lots of teams do that. It was quietly taking care of medical bills for former players, and finding front office jobs for former players. It's tough to find a part of the organization that doesn't have a former player around in some capacity. And not just the stars. Raider for Life is a very real thing, not just a motto.

 
It's a sad day for fans of the NFL. In death I choose to not reflect on the controversies and mistakes, but the immense contribution to a game I love. He did so much for so many that it'd be nice to see people in this thread stick to that. Maybe I'm crazy, but I was always brought up to never speak ill of the dead and to have respect for their memory, but then again this is the internet. :shrug:

My condolences to Raider Nation.

 
Tough to see big Al go. What an innovator. RIP

Although this is a fantasy board, some people need to respect the need for others to grieve here! When Steve Jobs passes, flowers are placed outside retail stores. It's the same thing folks.

As for who takes over as GM, Player Personnel, I'm sure there are better choices, but I'd like to see Howie Long in some role.

 
Leave it to Raiders fans to class things up.

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And you're a mod? I remember when you were not. Way to go on a fishing trip to insight others. You are classless in this response. Not as a whole, just in this instance dude.Seriously Joe...what is up with this from Chase? Whom I do respect for FF and his contributions...but this is not acceptable for a mod of FGb/cheatsheets. Show some respect.
Lighten up, Francis. He meant that the Raider fans were the ones being classy for a change. (until your post, of course.)
If that is what he meant, it was an odd way to phrase it. I think what he wrote sounds sarcastic, if it isn't, he can state otherwise.
 
He was a true pioneer, and a very interesting person. My condolences to the Silver and Black family. Rest in Peace, Al

 
Bump D. Moore?
This is really all you morons can think about?
To be honest, yes. This is a fantasy football forum. I feel for his family with regards to their grieving but I didn't know the man personally. How many dying kids in Africa are your paying your respects to today?
This is the dumbest analogy ever. Are you series. We are paying respects to an innovator of the NFL we know today, also Raider fans who have followed the Raiders for ever are paying their respects to Al Davis who made the Raiders what they are.
 
RIP AL.

Al Davis was one of my heroes and one of the reasons I became a raider fan. His "commitment to excellence" damn the consequences, I'm gonna do it my way, style, was inspirational and shocking to watch at the same time. He unquestionably did what he thought was best for his team. And he stuck to his guns until it was proven to him , and only him, that he had made a bad decision(jamarcus) He was the very definition of a maverick He changed the face of the football, and was instrumental in creating the NFL as we know it This is a sad day for all of football.

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RIP AL.
Let's get this back on topic :banned:

 
So, Fox just cut to commercial during Al Davis' moment of silence. Stay classy, Fox.
The Fox on television here showed the moment of silence, and then when the announcers said thank you and people clapped, it showed a picture with his face and dates, and then went to commercial. It was fine.
 
Wow. Read this and while I have my feelings about the piece, I wonder what the Shark Pool's thoughts are on this piece by Rick Reilly.

Commitment to Honesty

As you pass the casket at Maori funerals in New Zealand, you are encouraged to speak frankly to the dead man, sometimes even mentioning his faults, right out loud.

With all due respect to his life and legacy, I think we need a funeral like that for recently departed Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis -- a man I covered since I was 25.

Yes, Al Davis, 82, was a color-blind genius who changed the game. He was an original with guts and vision who "belongs on the pro football version of Mount Rushmore" (Adam Schefter, ESPN).

But somebody needs to come along and mention: He was about as warm as Rushmore granite, too. Utterly single-minded, he was a selfish egocentric who only liked you if you could help him. Mostly, Davis had all the charm of C. Montgomery Burns.

Yes, Al Davis' life should be celebrated. He was a maverick and an innovator, "the brains behind the AFL-NFL merger, the curator of the downfield passing game" (Bill Plaschke, Los Angeles Times).

But let's be sure to add: As ahead of the curve as he was in the '70s and '80s, he was that far behind in the last two decades. Davis had three winning seasons in the last 16. He was exactly like those Members Only jackets he wore -- fashionable once, dreadfully dated forever after.

Yes, Al Davis believed in "A Commitment to Excellence." Yet he didn't demand it in himself. The facilities he put his teams in were among the shabbiest in the NFL.

Yes, Al Davis "was what all Raiders fans identified with" (SBNation.com).

And the rest of the league has had to live with them ever since. A Raiders jersey or jacket became gang uniform in Oakland and L.A. "The Black Hole" at Oakland games is about as disgusting a place as you can find. YouTube is lousy with guys in Raiders jerseys throwing haymakers. Now, there's talk that Davis' oldest son, Mark, may sell the Raiders to Philip Anschutz, who would move the team to Los Angeles. After what happened at Dodgers Stadium this year, you want to bring a thug element that would make Dodgers fans look like Our Gang? Better barricade I-5.

Yes, Al Davis had a "great eye for spotting talent" (SFExaminer.com), rescuing Jim Plunkett after the San Francisco 49ers waived him in 1977 and signing 13 Hall of Famers.

He was also the guy who spent a first-overall choice on QB JaMarcus Russell, the most booming bust in NFL history. Yet Davis fired his coach, Lane Kiffin, for choking at having Russell crammed down his throat. Davis mocked Kiffin for wanting to draft WR Calvin Johnson instead. Today, Russell is out of football and Johnson leads the NFL in touchdowns.

Yes, Al Davis was "infallibly loyal to his players and officials: to be a Raider was to be a Raider for life" (AP).

Except when he'd turn on them. He hired a former Raiders assistant, Tom Cable, as head coach, then fired him in 2010, the sixth coach he'd fired in nine seasons. He fired Mike Shanahan and never paid the remaining $250,000 on his contract. He fired Kiffin after less than two seasons and tried to weasel out on what remained of Kiffin's $6 million deal. He benched Hall of Fame RB Marcus Allen for two years for no other reason than jealousy, inspiring fans to wear "Free Marcus" T-shirts. Allen sued, then became the NFL Comeback Player of the Year in Kansas City. Prince of a guy, Al Davis.

Yes, Al Davis believed in "A Commitment to Excellence."

Yet he didn't demand it in himself. The facilities he put his teams in were among the shabbiest in the NFL. I covered the world champ '83 L.A. Raiders at an abandoned elementary school in El Segundo. I can remember Howie Long changing out of his pads in a dilapidated classroom. The Raiders' current headquarters in Oakland would make a lovely Goodwill store. And yet Davis constantly complained about the stadiums he was given -- the L.A. Coliseum and Oakland Alameda Coliseum -- to great profit. He suckered the city of Irwindale, Calif., out of $10 million with fake interest in moving his team there, then took $30 million from Oakland to come back.

Yes, Al Davis had "a deep love and passion for the game of football" (Oakland Raiders).

You sure couldn't tell in person. I sat in dozens of press boxes with Davis steaming in the back row, yelling, cussing and pounding his fists at the tiniest miscue. Even when he'd win, he looked miserable. I've known happier inmates.

[+] EnlargeMarcus Allen

Brian Bahr/Getty ImagesMarcus Allen is proof that you were a "Raider for life" until you weren't.

Yes, Al Davis "made football a better game" (Mike Holmgren).

But not for everybody. He was as paranoid as a getaway driver. His PR staffs were routinely the most hamstrung in the league. Davis had no use for press or the fans they serviced. Once, at an AFC title game, a reporter he didn't recognize asked a question. Davis was livid. "Why should I talk to you?" he snarled. "I don't know where you're from! You could be from Florida! Or Afghanistan!" Perhaps Davis suspected the guy was as devious as he was. Once, as an assistant in San Diego, he posed as a reporter and asked a Buffalo Bill to diagram a play that had gone for a touchdown. He later used the play to score a touchdown -- against Buffalo.

Yes, Al Davis' catchy "Just win, baby" became a mantra that transcended sports.

Just win, baby, no matter who you trample to get there. The problem is, people take only so much trampling. In 1983, Davis could've had Stanford QB John Elway. Davis needed to work a three-way deal with Baltimore and Chicago, but the Bears despised him. So Broncos owner Edgar Kaiser, a man who knew less about football than Davis' housekeeper, snuck in at the last minute and got a player who would lead the team to five Super Bowls. Karma.

Yes, Al Davis could be "generous to a fault" (former Raider Warren Bankston). He took care of former Raiders who were hurting and even paid for the funeral of Kansas City Chief Derrick Thomas.

Yet after practices, Davis would routinely throw a towel down on the locker room floor and wait for somebody to clean his shoes. No please, no thank you. Just do it, baby. And grown men would.

Yes, Al Davis "bled silver and black" (CBS San Francisco).

Accent on the black.
 
Wow. Read this and while I have my feelings about the piece, I wonder what the Shark Pool's thoughts are on this piece by Rick Reilly.
This isn't a sports article by ESPN's sportswriter, it's a smear piece, and it's shameful ESPN would ok it. I bet Reilly couldn't wait for Al to die to air his dirty laundry. What a putty.
 
Reilly could write a smear piece about Ghandi - and probably would if Ghandi didn't cater to his every reporting need.

Davis could be a ##### sometimes. And those times were written about before he died. Leave it Reilly to wait 'till a man dies to bring it all up again... you know - just to make sure everyone didn't forget the first time.

 

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