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Alec Baldwin killed a woman on set with prop gun (2 Viewers)

Summer Wheat said:
Obviously you have never been in the police shootings thread. 😀
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And thank God for small favors ...

I really try to be consistent on this issue, regardless of the politics. So often in any high-profile incident like this, what we initially hear is fragmentary, sometimes inaccurate, and often leaked by interested parties to spin the narrative. There's nothing wrong with waiting for more details to come out. The world will survive a few more days without your instant hot taeks

 
[icon] said:
So preaching against something, then profiting from it's use isn't hypocritical? 

That's a new take. 
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No idea what you're talking about.  Do you think actors that play serial killers are pro-murder?  Because apparently they are hypocritical if they are against murder.  And they make money off of it, to boot.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
This isn't directed at anyone in this thread, but can we please a) wait until we know all the facts about what happened, and b) make judgments about this incident based on those facts rather than our opinions of Baldwin or anyone else? All the Twidiots saying, "bALdWiN sHouLd bE pROsEcUteD foR mANsLAuGhTErRRRRRRR!!!!" are revealing far more about themselves than about Baldwin.

I agree with some of Baldwin's politics. I think he's a talented actor. It sounds like on a personal level he's a real jackhole. But none of this is remotely relevant to what happened yesterday in New Mexico. 
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Agreed. This rush to judgement nonsense is a bad look. And always is. 

 
Tom Servo said:
When my dad was growing up, his dad made him unload his weapon in a ditch.  When asked why, grandpa said that dad needed to learn how to handle a shotgun with respect.  Once he was allowed to empty it beside grandpa, it discharged.  Back to the ditch dad went.

When I was hunting, dad would tell me, "If you ever point a gun - loaded or unloaded - at me, I will drop you."  I learned gun safety under the threat of my dad, and then after I killed a deer, I saw for myself what guns can do.
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I was taught to treat every gun as loaded until proven otherwise, even if I was the last known user, and to never point one at something that I don’t want a bullet/buckshot going into. Never got threatened or anything, but my family had always been sticklers for proper use of dangerous items.

 
John123 said:
https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwln____/status/911425278123048960?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^911425278123048960|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fftodayforums.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Falecbaldwln____%2Fstatus%2F911425278123048960
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Seriously... anyone who doesn't think this guy had an axe to grind re: guns has their jammed their head into the sand hard enough to turn it to glass. 

He's an ignorant #####, a hypocrite, and unfortunately has now killed someone. Countdown to him using this as a platform for his agenda... 

 
culdeus said:
We have a sense why two people were hurt, yet? That's the part I don't get unless he got off a couple wild shots without realizing something had gone wrong.
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I'm not exactly sure how they learned this, but the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) union chapter local to L.A. (Local 44) released this information for Variety:

The prop gun that killed “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza on during an on-set accident on Thursday contained a “live single round,” according to an email sent by IATSE Local 44 to its membership.

Additionally, the union says that New Mexico crew members staffed the props, set decoration, special effects and construction departments on “Rust,” not its members.

“A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza,” the union told members. “Both were rushed to the hospital. Unfortunately, we lost Sister Hutchins who passed from the wound.”
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Note that IATSE Local 44 did not supply production staff to the Rust set. 

 
culdeus said:
We have a sense why two people were hurt, yet? That's the part I don't get unless he got off a couple wild shots without realizing something had gone wrong.
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It is possible one shot traveled through the woman's stomach and into the shoulder of the man.

 
[icon] said:
Seriously... anyone who doesn't think this guy had an axe to grind re: guns has their jammed their head into the sand hard enough to turn it to glass. 

He's an ignorant #####, a hypocrite, and unfortunately has now killed someone. Countdown to him using this as a platform for his agenda... 
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Take it to the gun thread dude.  We don't need your second amendment rants in here

 
killface said:
Take it to the gun thread dude.  We don't need your second amendment rants in here
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My posts are on topic. Feel free to ignore me... takes less time than it took you to type that out. I even provided a handy link ;)  

#worksmarternotharder 

 
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ignatiusjreilly said:
This isn't directed at anyone in this thread, but can we please a) wait until we know all the facts about what happened, and b) make judgments about this incident based on those facts rather than our opinions of Baldwin or anyone else? All the Twidiots saying, "bALdWiN sHouLd bE pROsEcUteD foR mANsLAuGhTErRRRRRRR!!!!" are revealing far more about themselves than about Baldwin.

I agree with some of Baldwin's politics. I think he's a talented actor. It sounds like on a personal level he's a real jackhole. But none of this is remotely relevant to what happened yesterday in New Mexico. 
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OK, maybe it's directed at one person in this thread. 🙂 

(And for the record, @[icon], I respect you a lot and find you to be one of the more thoughtful contributors to this forum. I just think in this case your distaste for Baldwin is preventing you from viewing the situation objectively.) 

 
Baldwin by all accounts can be pretty dooshy.   Public punching a man over a parking spot, calling his daughter a little pig, homophobic slurs among other issues.

That being said this had to be a total accident.

 
Baldwin is exactly the kind of leftist elitist that I abhor. In fact, he's probably the poster child.

Having said that, he should be afforded everything that he likely wouldn't give others in this scenario - which is, of course, due process...but even more so a measure of empathy. 

I feel for him. I can't imagine something worse than accidentally causing someone's death. 

 
I’ll still treat it as loaded anyway, even if unloaded, out of force of habit. Forgot to put that in there the first time.

 
Da Guru said:
Baldwin by all accounts can be pretty dooshy.   Public punching a man over a parking spot, calling his daughter a little pig, homophobic slurs among other issues.

That being said this had to be a total accident.
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Really ... Alec Baldwin's involvement is purely incidental. It could have been any actor. There's nothing special about Alec Baldwin that contributed to the outcome.

Tweeting gotchas about Baldwin, to me, should be out-of-bounds. But I see that others really, really feel the need to lash out at the man.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Baldwin is exactly the kind of leftist elitist that I abhor. In fact, he's probably the poster child.

Having said that, he should be afforded everything that he likely wouldn't give others in this scenario - which is, of course, due process...but even more so a measure of empathy. 

I feel for him. I can't imagine something worse than accidentally causing someone's death. 
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I think this is an excellent post. 
 

From what I know about Baldwin, I agree with some of his politics, but he appears to be a pretty awful human being. Nonetheless that has nothing to do with what happened. 

 
Dezbelief said:
It is possible one shot traveled through the woman's stomach and into the shoulder of the man.
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That is the latest report - https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

“In the email that IATSE Local 44 sent to its membership, Secretary-Treasurer Anthony Pawluc described the event as an “an accidental weapons discharge” in which “A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halnya Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza … Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet.””

 
Dezbelief said:
It is possible one shot traveled through the woman's stomach and into the shoulder of the man.
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I'm picturing it as Hutchins either behind the camera herself or standing next to the camera operator, and then Souza seated behind her.

 
Not saying anything definitively, but there do seem to be some reports that the whole production was being run on the cheap, including not having union propmasters/armorers on set and overall unsafe conditions. In addition to being the star, Baldwin was apparently also the producer. IF all those things are true -- and I want to be clear that there is a whole nest of hypotheticals in there -- then he would bear some responsibility for the environment where such a tragic accident could occur. But as I said, I'll wait for more concrete facts to emerge before drawing any conclusions.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Baldwin is exactly the kind of leftist elitist that I abhor. In fact, he's probably the poster child.

Having said that, he should be afforded everything that he likely wouldn't give others in this scenario - which is, of course, due process...but even more so a measure of empathy. 

I feel for him. I can't imagine something worse than accidentally causing someone's death. 
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Good post. The Santa Fe New Mexican has a couple of pictures of Baldwin taken outside the police station in the aftermath. He looks completely devastated and distraught, as anybody would be in that situation. Hard to feel anything but empathy for him right now.

 
Don Quixote said:
That is the latest report - https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

“In the email that IATSE Local 44 sent to its membership, Secretary-Treasurer Anthony Pawluc described the event as an “an accidental weapons discharge” in which “A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halnya Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza … Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet.””
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If this is correct, why was there a live round anywhere near the set?  Some massive safety failures at multiple levels. 

 
Doug B said:
I'm picturing it as Hutchins either behind the camera herself or standing next to the camera operator, and then Souza seated behind her.
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This is the picture I am getting as well from what I've found out. One bullet through her and into him, and the gun was "pointed at" the camera. Both were presumably behind it. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Baldwin is exactly the kind of leftist elitist that I abhor. In fact, he's probably the poster child.

Having said that, he should be afforded everything that he likely wouldn't give others in this scenario - which is, of course, due process...but even more so a measure of empathy. 

I feel for him. I can't imagine something worse than accidentally causing someone's death. 
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This

 
Jackstraw said:
“Due process” is really using loaded terms On this topic.

agenda much?
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Not remotely. Some people seem to want to extract their pound of flesh just because of who he is and what he believes in.

But the fact is...He killed someone. The application of the law and any punishment involve the circumstances surrounding that. So, like anyone else, the law should be applied fairly. That's all.

 
timschochet said:
UNLESS- if there was some sort of cost cutting and this is the result of that. Then I might take a different POV
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Agreed.  But right now empathy is certainly an understandable response, no matter where you stand politically.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Not remotely. Some people seem to want to extract their pound of flesh just because of who he is and what he believes in.

But the fact is...He killed someone. The application of the law and any punishment involve the circumstances surrounding that. So, like anyone else, the law should be applied fairly. That's all.
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If anyone is held criminally responsible it wouldn't be him, it would the person handling props. Tragic for all involved.

 
If you’ve seen the “conversation” and memes on social media, along with this thread, you may understand why this is so discouraging to me. This is something that we should almost unilaterally agree on - a truly tragic loss of life, caused by what is almost certainly a terrible accident committed by somebody with absolutely no intent of doing so.

And yet all we can do is take sides, assign blame to the likely blameless and make fun of somebody who may not be your favorite person because of their political views, but still deserves empathy. 
 

We are a truly broken population - this event really signifies that although there are hundreds of others, and imo social media is almost 100% to blame. Sucks. 

 
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Capella said:
If you’ve seen the “conversation” and memes on social media, along with this thread, you may understand why this is so discouraging to me. This is something that we should almost unilaterally agree on - a truly tragic loss of life, caused by what is almost certain an terrible accident committed by somebody with absolutely no intent of doing so.

And yet all we can do is take sides, assign blame to the likely blameless and make fun of somebody who may not be your favorite person because of their political views, but still deserves empathy. 
 

We are a truly broken population - this event truly signifies that - and imo social media is almost 100% to blame. Sucks. 
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Social media?  You mean the people?  Like This Guy

 
Capella said:
If you’ve seen the “conversation” and memes on social media, along with this thread, you may understand why this is so discouraging to me. This is something that we should almost unilaterally agree on - a truly tragic loss of life, caused by what is almost certainly a terrible accident committed by somebody with absolutely no intent of doing so.

And yet all we can do is take sides, assign blame to the likely blameless and make fun of somebody who may not be your favorite person because of their political views, but still deserves empathy. 
 

We are a truly broken population - this event really signifies that although there are hundreds of others, and imo social media is almost 100% to blame. Sucks. 
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I agree with your sentiment but I strongly disagree that it proves we’re broken. 

Alec Baldwin is a celebrity that has deliberately placed himself in the center of political controversy in the past. Like a few others who have chosen to do this (Jane Fonda, Mel Gibson, etc) he has made himself into a polarizing figure: there are people who both love and hate him. As a result, whenever anything happens to him the public reaction is going to be very different from if it happened to a less controversial figure (say Tom Hanks for example.) Of course many people are going to take sides. Comes with the territory. 

 
eoMMan said:
You don't feel the least bit sad for the guy?
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I feel terrible for the victim.  Alec Baldwin is a mean spirited bully, who has committed the same fault that he, as evidenced above, piled on other people for.  I mean he's an ####### and he embodies twitter.

I feel as bad for him as when the bully goes to kick the little kid and falls down hurting himself.  I wince for a minute and shake my head at the loser.

 
timschochet said:
I agree with your sentiment but I strongly disagree that it proves we’re broken. 

Alec Baldwin is a celebrity that has deliberately placed himself in the center of political controversy in the past. Like a few others who have chosen to do this (Jane Fonda, Mel Gibson, etc) he has made himself into a polarizing figure: there are people who both love and hate him. As a result, whenever anything happens to him the public reaction is going to be very different from if it happened to a less controversial figure (say Tom Hanks for example.) Of course many people are going to take sides. Comes with the territory. 
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:shrug:

So has Caitlyn Jenner, and I don't recall people being morally outraged, or "taking sides" when she killed someone.

 
djmich said:
I feel terrible for the victim.  Alec Baldwin is a mean spirited bully, who has committed the same fault that he, as evidenced above, piled on other people for.  I mean he's an ####### and he embodies twitter.

I feel as bad for him as when the bully goes to kick the little kid and falls down hurting himself.  I wince for a minute and shake my head at the loser.
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you seem like a stable person :oldunsure:

 
Some of the takes in here....wow.

Other than talking about how this happened and how to prevent it again, I don't get how there's much else to "discuss"

Disappointing. 

 
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