drummer
Footballguy
The 49ers have been pretty good with contracts and extensions. I doubt Kaep's agent has a holdout in his plans. Besides, it's Harbaugh. He'll just go out and show he can win with Tolzien.
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Alex Smith: Should Niners Keep Him? (1 Viewer)
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packseasontix
Footballguy
The 49ers have been pretty good with contracts and extensions. I doubt Kaep's agent has a holdout in his plans. Besides, it's Harbaugh. He'll just go out and show he can win with Tolzien.Except Kaep is now one of the hottest and most underpaid QBs in the league. With an extremely high chance of injury next year with his mobile QB style he has to cash in now. The only way he doesn't hold out is if the 49ers redo his contract.I don't see him getting paid 1/4 of luck, 1/9 of Rodgers, 1/7 of Brady and being happy with that. I don't think the 49ers win the Super Bowl this year but if they do then he for sure is expecting more next year than his $1mil paycheck.
drummer
Footballguy
Except Kaep is now one of the hottest and most underpaid QBs in the league. With an extremely high chance of injury next year with his mobile QB style he has to cash in now. The only way he doesn't hold out is if the 49ers redo his contract.I don't see him getting paid 1/4 of luck, 1/9 of Rodgers, 1/7 of Brady and being happy with that. I don't think the 49ers win the Super Bowl this year but if they do then he for sure is expecting more next year than his $1mil paycheck.I see your point, but that's just speculative at this moment. Paraag Marathe, the COO of the 49ers has been really good with contracts and negotiations, and some of the money saved for releasing Smith could go to Kaep. I don't think Kaep and his agent would feel a holdout beneficial to them in the long run. I'm sure the 49ers have a contigency plan in place for Kaep, and part of that could lie in Smith's current contract. The only holdout the 49ers had of recent was with Crabtree, and that was under then GM Scot McCloughan with Singetary has HC. The Front Office dynamic is a lot different now from then, with Marathe overseeing the contracts with ScotM as well as Baalke. But if he does holdout, Harbaugh will just plug in another QB. If he can win with both Smith and Kaep, I'm sure he can win a few without Kaep if he does holdout.
saintfool
Dead sexy
teams will wonder how much of his success and effectiveness is due to Harbaugh. it will drive his value, in terms of contract and trade, down. he could agree to an incentive-laden contract but no one will/should park a truck in front of him until he proves something outside of SF.
Caveman_Nick
Footballguy
I think Smith is a good 4-5 year solution. A team like the chiefs should grab the best talent it can. Drafting for need is oxymoronic, because they need help almost everywhere.
I think you meant moronic, not oxymoronic, which isn't even a word. If you're referring to the term oxymoron, this is a synonym for contradiction. It would not be contradictory to draft a QB based on need; perhaps a waste of value.Anyway, I think Smith is going to be a good value for another team. I could easily see him in Arizona or Kansas City. Considering there are no hot QBs in this year's draft, why not pay for the services of a proven Alex Smith and use a top draft pick on a premium position? If I was Arians, I would be salivating over getting someone with the talent of Alex Smith.
Caveman_Nick
Footballguy
I think you meant moronic, not oxymoronic, which isn't even a word. If you're referring to the term oxymoron, this is a synonym for contradiction. It would not be contradictory to draft a QB based on need; perhaps a waste of value.Anyway, I think Smith is going to be a good value for another team. I could easily see him in Arizona or Kansas City. Considering there are no hot QBs in this year's draft, why not pay for the services of a proven Alex Smith and use a top draft pick on a premium position? If I was Arians, I would be salivating over getting someone with the talent of Alex Smith.No, I meant oxymoronic*. It would also be moronic. By oxymoronic I mean it would be 'contradictory' to the best strategy to rebuild a team, which is to acquire highly talented players with low bust factor.It would be a bad move to draft a QB in the same fashion that it was when Oakland talked themselves into drafting Jamarcus Russell. Don't waste your first rounder on a risky guy because of positional need. There are plenty of other risky guys you can get later.*It's the innernets...people make up words all the time.
No, I meant oxymoronic*. It would also be moronic. By oxymoronic I mean it would be 'contradictory' to the best strategy to rebuild a team, which is to acquire highly talented players with low bust factor.It would be a bad move to draft a QB in the same fashion that it was when Oakland talked themselves into drafting Jamarcus Russell. Don't waste your first rounder on a risky guy because of positional need. There are plenty of other risky guys you can get later.*It's the innernets...people make up words all the time.
That's conflabberatory. You, sir, are uniticularly trangsuish.Caveman_Nick
Footballguy
No, I meant oxymoronic*. It would also be moronic. By oxymoronic I mean it would be 'contradictory' to the best strategy to rebuild a team, which is to acquire highly talented players with low bust factor.It would be a bad move to draft a QB in the same fashion that it was when Oakland talked themselves into drafting Jamarcus Russell. Don't waste your first rounder on a risky guy because of positional need. There are plenty of other risky guys you can get later.*It's the innernets...people make up words all the time.
That's conflabberatory. You, sir, are uniticularly trangsuish. 
Thanks...?Short Corner
Footballguy
Have you seen some of the QBs in this league?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
as a KC fan...somebody PLEASE tell me how Smith to the Chiefs would be an "upgrade"....because it may actually happen...and before you post....we are talking qb skills here....not "record" or something that brings in other players/coaches/makeup of the team into the equation....this is GrBac/Cassel/etc....all over again....seen this mutha ####### movie....
Jewell
Footballguy
The last time the Chiefs brought in a former San Fran starting QB things worked out pretty well.
Montana might be a little better than Smith, though. I agree with your point. I don't think the Chiefs are just a QB away, and Smith smacks of Grbac and Casel 3.0.
If Charlie Whitehurst is worth moving up 20 spots in the second round and a 3rd round pick, Alex Smith should be worth at least 2 firsts and 5 seconds (not really). There have been some bad deals/trades made by teams to bad QBs recently that one that is at least average should be worth a ton, especially with how many teams need a QB badly.I would argue these teams would upgrade at QB (leaving out ones I feel are debatable like Tannehill):JetsBrownsJaguarsTitansChiefsRaidersVikingsCardinalsEagles (maybe)1/4th of the teams in the league have garbage at QB, and out of these teams at least the Vikings are just a good QB away from being a pretty good team.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Maybe you should compare Ponder and Alex Smith after their first two years in league. Smith was much worse than Ponder statistically and didn't improve until later in his career. Why don't you believe that Ponder will improve? Smith (like Cassel was) is in a system that fits his skills. I believe if you take him out of that system, he will not be the same QB. In fact, I think there is a good chance that he will regress.
drummer
Footballguy
Maybe you should compare Ponder and Alex Smith after their first two years in league. Smith was much worse than Ponder statistically and didn't improve until later in his career. Why don't you believe that Ponder will improve? Smith (like Cassel was) is in a system that fits his skills. I believe if you take him out of that system, he will not be the same QB. In fact, I think there is a good chance that he will regress.
Like I posted earlier, it still remains a question of Smith has trancended the 'system QB' moniker into a more complete QB. I still think he is an incomplete package and may never get to the level of where he can take a poor talent level and make then better. He is still 3rd tier QB even under Harbaugh and all those 1st round picks on the team.
Kaep wouldn't be a problem until after his 3rd year. CBA prevents the 49ers from renegotiating a rookie contract until after year 3. If he wins the Superbowl this year, the 49ers get to see what happens next year before a new contract can even be worked on.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, I don't think people are saying Smith is a BAD qb, I just don't know if many people think he is a great QB or even much more than an average one. Yes, he could be considered an upgrade for some teams, but the question becomes how much would teams give up to get an "ok" QB? For example, if there is a bottom feeder team out there that is looking to start over, is trading for SMith really going to make your team better if they have to give up first day picks to land him?Not every team is going to pull an OAK and give up a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer. Smith would be good heading to a team that needs a game manager that can sometimes be called upon to do more(SF has a running game and a top defense so they did not have to rely on Smith). How would the Redskins or COlts fared with Smith at QB? Would they still have been playoff teams or even in the hunt at the end of the year?
Abraham
Footballguy
That would be an excellent spot for the guy. We can debate all day if he is a system guy or if he has been held down by a lack of consistency in his coaching, but he completed 70% of his passes for 8ypa with an almost 3:1 TD to IN ratio. There is a starting job for a guy like that in the league.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
That would be an excellent spot for the guy. We can debate all day if he is a system guy or if he has been held down by a lack of consistency in his coaching, but he completed 70% of his passes for 8ypa with an almost 3:1 TD to IN ratio. There is a starting job for a guy like that in the league.As a Viking fan, I rather take the $5-7 M per year that we would be paying Alex Smith and put it in the re-sign Percy Harvin fund. Without Harvin, Vikings are not a contender even if they had Smith. Ponder and Smith are both solid QBs but neither is spectacular. The only thing Smith has proven is that he has been more consistant than Ponder. And for the guy that suggested that Ponder is garbage, I submit this in his defense. Exhibit A
Thanks my dear friend. I missed a little info, Alex can be traded andsave $8.75 million, I had a brain lapse, the trading team takes on the 1M base guarantee. He is still due a 1M roster bonus early in march.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Smith being just an "upgrade" doesn't mean a team should necessarily go out and waste an asset (draft pick) to acquire him. Especially when that team would also likely need to extend his contract.Would Alex Smith be better than Mark Sanchez, Brady Quinn, Chad Henne or Kevin Kolb? I'm not sure that he would be better than some of those QBs, but even if we take that as a given, does he make those teams contenders?
RUSF18
Footballguy
Herein lies the problem. Last off season, anyone could have bit on acquiring Smith and no one did. So now teams are going to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder to get him? I don't think there are many teams looking at Smith as a savior or the last puzzle piece to win them a ring. I would be surprised if a team gave up a first day draft pick for him.
Jewell
Footballguy
Good call.
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