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Dinsy Ejotuz

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As more information has trickled in from pro days and post-combine chatter the draft picture is getting a lot clearer. Here are five guys currently under, or even off, the radar that are strong candidates to either be drafted well ahead of their current projections or to subsequently outperform their draft position:

Engineer: Lonyae Miller (RB, Fresno State). If Ryan Matthews had never been born we'd be looking at Miller as a second round pick. As it is, he's a back from a lesser BCS conference who carried the ball only 68 times last year who's still being projected as a 4th/5th round pick. Why? For good reason it turns out. He's got decent size, was clocked as low as 4.43 at the combine and put up solid numbers in his limited action at Fresno State. At 216 (pro day weight) he compares favorably to Thomas Jones. At 221 (combine weight) he compares reasonably well with Ray Rice. But you don't have to buy those comparables (and I know you don't!) to buy the player - he'll probably be there in the third round of your rookie draft. Pick him.

Stoker: Marcus Easley (WR, Connecticut). Similar to Miller, Easley's currently projected well outside the top 100 picks, but the fact that someone with only nine career catches prior to his final eight games at U Conn is on the draft board at all should get your attention. Dig a little and you can see why. At almost 6'3" his low time in Indy was 4.39. And in those last eight college games he put up 44-667-7. Why didn't he start before the end of his senior season? Who cares! Let someone else take Damian Williams in the late first or early second and grab Easley in the third or later round of your rookie draft.

Porter: Charles Scott (RB, LSU). Unlike the first two members of our staff, Scott is a known quantity. In fact he was rated as high as a 2nd round pick and the #1 senior RB at the start of the season. But a relatively lackluster senior season that ended in injury, paired with a very slow 40 time at the combine (best reported time of 4.68) leaves him projected as late as a 5th round pick now. There are two reasons you might take a chance on Scott. First, he was only at full health for roughly one month before the combine, after being out three months with a broken collar bone (he missed his bowl game as well as the Senior Bowl), and weighed in a bit heavy in Indianapolis (238). But he showed up slimmer (back to his listed playing weight of 232) for his pro day, and reportedly ran a 4.53 and 4.54. I'm leery of using pro-day times, but in this instance it's possible that they're more representative of his true speed. If so he compares very well to Lamont Jordan and Travis Henry. But even if not Scott is a powerful, tackle-breaking runner with great vision and decent ball skills for a big back. As Pierre Thomas is showing there's a role for players like that in the NFL even if they're slow (4.64 at his pro day). And Scott could be yours for a late second or third rounder in your rookie draft.

Conductor: Andrew Quarless (TE, Penn State). It's harder to make the case for Quarless except to say that he's got prototypical TE size, ran a 4.68 and shares a number of less observable characteristics with the truly elite TEs of the last decade or so. Though he did put up 41-536-3 on a run-first team in his only full season as a starter, he's currently projected as a 5th or 6th round pick largely on the basis of a two suspensions in his sophomore and junior seasons for underage drinking and a marijuana incident. I don't know if I'd take a chance on him as an NFL GM, but I do know that as far as WW pickups and 4th round FF picks go he's awfully appealing.

Brakeman: Joe Webb (QB, UAB [WR]). Most WR conversion projects don't end well, and this one might not either. But his pro day measurables are off-the-charts sick (6'2", 223, 4.44, 42.5" and 11'5" [besting the top combine broad jump by five inches]) and he actually played the position in 2007. And like the other players on our train it's not going to cost you much more than a roster spot to find out what you've got.

 
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Good stuff here but how exactly does Lonyae Miller compare to Ray Rice. Rice was 195 at the Combine and now plays at 210. Are you saying Miller is a scaled up version of Rice?

 
Good stuff here but how exactly does Lonyae Miller compare to Ray Rice. Rice was 195 at the Combine and now plays at 210. Are you saying Miller is a scaled up version of Rice?
He's a taller version of Rice. I think they play at about the same effective size in terms of power, but Miller doesn't have the same super-low center of gravity. Which is a real difference to be sure, but IMO probably not fatal. And there's not much risk even if I'm wrong.
 
Check out Draftguys for my coverage of these guys from the All-Star games, agree with most of what you wrote here except for Lonyae Miller.

I have been talking about him on The Audible since 2008, but was extremely disappointed seeing him up close and in person at the Senior Bowl.

His lower body is small and he's thin-hipped. He doesn't generate much power between the tackles, and he won't break off any big runs unless the hole is wide open.

he was also by far the worst RB in pass protection drills at the Senior Bowl.

Charles Scott = Rudi Johnson

Easley = nice sleeper

Quarless = good athlete, not much of a blocker

Webb = super raw, but very athletic with high upside - but he'll take years to develop

 
:thumbup: Thanks for the info, Cecil.

Since I don't have access to things like body fat percentage or weight distribution I don't try to account for them, but I'm sure they make a difference. Will be interesting to see how Miller shakes out.

 
:wub: Thanks for the info, Cecil.Since I don't have access to things like body fat percentage or weight distribution I don't try to account for them, but I'm sure they make a difference. Will be interesting to see how Miller shakes out.
yeah man, no problem :lmao:I know some talent evaluators in the scouting community that were very interested in Miller before the All-Star games. Then we saw him up close and were severely disappointed. You can't take everything from a week of All-Star practice, but it's interesting to see him along with other backs like Anthony Dixon and LeGarrette Blount.
 
I'm hesitant to have you add him, because I'd like to snag him in the 3rd, but....

Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky

Limited production in college, but impressive physically.

6'0

211 lbs.

40 yd - 4.28-4.33 range

Vertical - 36"

Broad Jump - 9'9

Bench (225) - 19 reps

His lack of production is worrisome, but that 40 time for his size....yikes. He has to have as much upside as anyone of the "unknowns". I had heard his name and saw him a little at UK (I'm from Cincy), but didn't realize the potential here because his stats didn't jump out at me.

Someone will take a chance on him given his measurables.

 
I'm hesitant to have you add him, because I'd like to snag him in the 3rd, but....

Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky

Limited production in college, but impressive physically.

6'0

211 lbs.

40 yd - 4.28-4.33 range

Vertical - 36"

Broad Jump - 9'9

Bench (225) - 19 reps

His lack of production is worrisome, but that 40 time for his size....yikes. He has to have as much upside as anyone of the "unknowns". I had heard his name and saw him a little at UK (I'm from Cincy), but didn't realize the potential here because his stats didn't jump out at me.

LOVED him at the Texas vs The Nation Game. He and Curtis Steele were the standout running backs there. Very instinctive, low pad level, natural runner with good leg drive.He's a priority free agent with good upside.

 
Keep an eye on Clay Harbor from Missouri State. He is an athletic tight end who may surprise with his athletic ability. The tight end position is very deep this season so Harbor may get taken very late. My prediction is that he goes to Kansas City.

 
Keep an eye on Clay Harbor from Missouri State. He is an athletic tight end who may surprise with his athletic ability. The tight end position is very deep this season so Harbor may get taken very late. My prediction is that he goes to Kansas City.
I was very impressed by what I saw from Clay Harbor at the Texas vs The Nation Game as well. He's likely going to be an undrafted free agent because of the depth at tight end, and should get moved to H-back because of his lack of strength and mass. I know his agent, and will be getting him on The Audible soon!
 
re: Quarless, I think he's a better blocker than most think. He's one of those guys that will either get it himself or via a good coach in his first year in the NFL or will be useless.

 
Sorry no one replied in that thread and as a Bowling Green alumni I always keep track of the MAC peeps!
Even though I agree, with lack of tape and considering he didn't play in the position long it's really hard to get excited about this guy.
 
BigTex said:
anakin said:
Cecil Lammey said:
Sorry no one replied in that thread and as a Bowling Green alumni I always keep track of the MAC peeps!
Even though I agree, with lack of tape and considering he didn't play in the position long it's really hard to get excited about this guy.
This is the sleeper train, not the for sure train. If he gets into the right situation, Konz could excel or could not even get drafted.
 
anakin said:
Cecil Lammey said:
Sorry no one replied in that thread and as a Bowling Green alumni I always keep track of the MAC peeps!
Geez how many of us BG alum troll these boards? Just though this isn't a useless post it's been all quiet on the Freddie Barnes front.
 
anakin said:
Cecil Lammey said:
Sorry no one replied in that thread and as a Bowling Green alumni I always keep track of the MAC peeps!
Likewise, Konz certainly has the potential to do this offseason what Edelman did last year.I was coming here to post about Easley - size, speed, work ethic, it's all there.

Freddie Barnes has lost some steam after not impressing at his pro day and not getting a Combine invite, but don't let that change what everyone saw Shrine Game week and what those who did watch him in college saw then. Kid's legit.

Emmanuel Sanders is someone I'll add that I don't think has been talked about much. The guy is an animal, he lacks size but he doesn't lack speed and tenacity. Don't think he will ever be a #1 (Easley could) but he could be a 1b to someone like Boldin in Baltimore or Roddy in Atlanta.

 
Sorry no one replied in that thread and as a Bowling Green alumni I always keep track of the MAC peeps!
Even though I agree, with lack of tape and considering he didn't play in the position long it's really hard to get excited about this guy.
This is the sleeper train, not the for sure train. If he gets into the right situation, Konz could excel or could not even get drafted.
In that case, I'll take Deji Karim, RB, Southern Illinois.
 
In that case, I'll take Deji Karim, RB, Southern Illinois

:shrug: It's hard not to get excited about him. Cecil's guest on the Audible yesterday was high on him as well.

 
In that case, I'll take Deji Karim, RB, Southern Illinois

:goodposting: It's hard not to get excited about him. Cecil's guest on the Audible yesterday was high on him as well.
I love this interview with Karim. He looks like the cat that just swallowed the canary. (I guess he realizes how much money he made in his pro day.)
Unlike Chris Henry, it looks to me like this kid can actually play football. He can catch and play special teams - might be a candidate to replace Chester Taylor in Minny.

 
In that case, I'll take Deji Karim, RB, Southern Illinois

:kicksrock: It's hard not to get excited about him. Cecil's guest on the Audible yesterday was high on him as well.
I love this interview with Karim. He looks like the cat that just swallowed the canary. (I guess he realizes how much money he made in his pro day.)
LOL at Deji getting faked out on the handshake by the studio host.

 
Steed said:
Donnybrook said:
In that case, I'll take Deji Karim, RB, Southern Illinois

:lmao: It's hard not to get excited about him. Cecil's guest on the Audible yesterday was high on him as well.
I love this interview with Karim. He looks like the cat that just swallowed the canary. (I guess he realizes how much money he made in his pro day.)
:lmao: We've all been there before....

 
Here's a real deep one. I've been waiting for the results of his pro day and since he's a little slow, I figured it's ok to post him now. The field looked slippery for the drills but he caught everything thrown to him. He didn't look overweight at all but maybe a little lighter gains him some speed. He might be worth looking at if he gets drafted.

AJ Jackson, WR, California (Penn), Div II.

6'04", 236

101-1424-18

4.68 40

10' Broad

35" vertical

4.33 short shuttle

7.11 three cone

17 reps

 
Patience grasshopper...

Though I wouldn't have included Quarless if I was doing this again today; and the Vikes (for some completely unknown reason) didn't convert Webb to a WR as predicted.

Easley, Miller and Scott I still like (in that order). Easley especially could be very good if he can handle the extra weight without destroying his knees/feet.

 
I'm hesitant to have you add him, because I'd like to snag him in the 3rd, but....

Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky

Limited production in college, but impressive physically.

6'0

211 lbs.

40 yd - 4.28-4.33 range

Vertical - 36"

Broad Jump - 9'9

Bench (225) - 19 reps

His lack of production is worrisome, but that 40 time for his size....yikes. He has to have as much upside as anyone of the "unknowns". I had heard his name and saw him a little at UK (I'm from Cincy), but didn't realize the potential here because his stats didn't jump out at me.

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