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All-Electric Ford F-150 Lightning (1 Viewer)
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Nugget
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New Bronco
Which part screams roller skate? 115K orders and they sold out of 2021 MY, likely 2022 as well. First units will arrive at dealers around the 4th of July.
Chaos Commish
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$7000-9500 rebate and tax credits for CyberTruck in California, 2000 for installing home based charging infrastructure.
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matuski
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When it is parked next to a Jetta and you are trying to figure out which one is bigger.
Embarassing effort imo.
eta - I'm sure it is a millenial dream car.
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Chaos Commish
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to be clear, i think the f-150, rivian, endurance, axis, hummer, coming silverado are all great great purchases.
Nugget
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Leroy Hoard
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In case color options are a sticking point, here you go:
The F-150 Lightning colors are:
• Ford F150 Lightning Atlas Blue
• Ford F150 Lightning Star White
• Ford F150 Lightning Rapid Red
• Ford F150 Lightning Iced Blue Silver
• Ford F150 Lightning Agate Black
• Ford F150 Lightning Antimatter Blue
• Ford F150 Lightning Carbonized Gray
• Ford F150 Lightning Iconic Silver
• Ford F150 Lightning Oxford White
• Ford F150 Lightning Stone Gray
The F-150 Lightning colors are:
• Ford F150 Lightning Atlas Blue
• Ford F150 Lightning Star White
• Ford F150 Lightning Rapid Red
• Ford F150 Lightning Iced Blue Silver
• Ford F150 Lightning Agate Black
• Ford F150 Lightning Antimatter Blue
• Ford F150 Lightning Carbonized Gray
• Ford F150 Lightning Iconic Silver
• Ford F150 Lightning Oxford White
• Ford F150 Lightning Stone Gray
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matuski
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F150 and Cybertruck.. I have never been so let down by any new toy than the Bronco. So I moved that to Rivian.
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Nugget
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YouTube of Bronco at Moab
I get that you don’t like the Bronco, but I don’t get the Jetta comparison.
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matuski
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It isn't personal... I saw my first Bronco yesterday parked next to a Jetta. It wasn't a metaphor, I lliterally had to walk around the Jetta to get a look. Same reason I don't like jeeps.
Give me the 90's Bronco Billy Badass truck.
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Ron Swanson
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I think there is a lot of confusion between the Bronco Sport and the Bronco. I had the same opinion until someone on here pointed out to me that what I actually disliked was the Bronco Sport, not the Bronco. They really should have called that little thing something else. Mini-Bronco? Broncito?
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Ron Swanson
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Order banks opening up on 10.26 for the Lightning. I got to take a ride in one a couple weeks ago and was blown away. Crazy fast off the line as expected for an EV, but the handling of it is just nuts. With all the weight down low it feels like a roller coaster. Huge frunk, AWD standard, independent suspension for great ride, and powerwall option put it over the top for me. I'm in. Anyone else?
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Yes, you should get an email that the order banks are open on or before 10.26 if you are a reservation holder. Then you can configure the truck online, pay the deposit, and finalize the order with the dealer.MTskibum said:
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I'm one of maybe a handful of folks on these pages that have actually driven those trails, and that bronco looks pretty solid IMO.
Slickrock is relatively easy driving though. I've seen hell's revenge driven in a Caprice sedan. I'd like to see a Bronco on Holy Cross in Colorado.
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Patiently waiting for my Bronco Badlands.
Ordered February 2021 - expecting early 2022.
Ordered February 2021 - expecting early 2022.
NutterButter
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Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
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With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Love this idea. This makes sense for people that want to tow trailers or for those living outside of areas with charging stations. I would think vehicles like this would have a high demand.Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
beer 30
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Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
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It's an interesting concept for my use case. Mostly local, short trips that can be 100% electric with 2-3 long road trips a year into areas that are currently charging deserts, especially for non-Tesla.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
Questions I have about it:
1) Does the engine stay in the truck or is it removable? I assume it stays in the truck due to weight...
2) Does the engine eat up the frunk space? Not a deal killer because I road trip in a gas RAM 1500 now but I was looking forward to additional frunk space at some point.
3) Maintenance/reliability. I understand it should be better than a typical ICE vehicle due to the lack of transmission and a few moving parts but it's still more maintenance than pure EV.
It feels like a possible short to mid-term solution to me until the charging infrastructure can support full EV as well as we currently support ICE
NutterButter
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I think its for people that want electric vehicles but without the tradeoffs inherent to them like limited range. So that rules out the exclusive traditional ICE motor. Now when you say hybrid, I assume you mean a plugin hybrid and not the original that was just generating energy using regenerative braking? If that's the case, that's kind of what this is except it sounds like there's fuel efficiencies to be gained by having the ICE motor acting solely as a generator where it can always be run at an optimal RPMs. In addition, I'd think there's a cost savings to be had by having only the electric motor attached to the drivetrain.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
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NutterButter
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1) I'd think it stays in the truckIt's an interesting concept for my use case. Mostly local, short trips that can be 100% electric with 2-3 long road trips a year into areas that are currently charging deserts, especially for non-Tesla.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
Questions I have about it:
1) Does the engine stay in the truck or is it removable? I assume it stays in the truck due to weight...
2) Does the engine eat up the frunk space? Not a deal killer because I road trip in a gas RAM 1500 now but I was looking forward to additional frunk space at some point.
3) Maintenance/reliability. I understand it should be better than a typical ICE vehicle due to the lack of transmission and a few moving parts but it's still more maintenance than pure EV.
It feels like a possible short to mid-term solution to me until the charging infrastructure can support full EV as well as we currently support ICE
2) Not sure the space tradeoff, but you're talking less battery with that range so if you lose some maybe not that much
3) Kinda goes to #2. Less battery to replace when the time comes vs more maintenance with the ICE motor.
Absolutely, this isn't a long term solution, but very appealing to me in the short term for my next vehicle if this gets adopted in an suv.
Nugget
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Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Huh? A Plug in hybrid has an engine already.Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
Nugget
Footballguy
A PHEV with a 40 mile electric range is different than a pure EV with a 200+ mile range and an ICE generator.Huh? A Plug in hybrid has an engine already.Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Ok, but the PHEV has an ICE motor as well. I don't know if the ICE motor in a PHEV weighs more or less than what the ICE generator would weigh but I'd think the difference wouldn't be substantial. It might even be less considering its not directly connnected the drive train like in a PHEV.A PHEV with a 40 mile electric range is different than a pure EV with a 200+ mile range and an ICE generator.Huh? A Plug in hybrid has an engine already.Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
Nugget
Footballguy
I'd guess currently a BEV weighs ballpark 25% more than an ICE equivalent, depending on range. Adding an engine, fuel tank, and fuel seems expensive and inefficient.Ok, but the PHEV has an ICE motor as well. I don't know if the ICE motor in a PHEV weighs more or less than what the ICE generator would weigh but I'd think the difference wouldn't be substantial. It might even be less considering its not directly connnected the drive train like in a PHEV.A PHEV with a 40 mile electric range is different than a pure EV with a 200+ mile range and an ICE generator.Huh? A Plug in hybrid has an engine already.Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
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NutterButter
Footballguy
I'm not sure what we're comparing at this point. Are you comparing this new Dodge truck to an EV or a PHEV? A PHEV which I thought was your original comparison already has an ICE motor, fuel tank and fuel. If we're comparing it to an EV, that's apples to oranges b/c the EV doesn't address the range anxiety.I'd guess currently a BEV weighs ballpark 25% more than an ICE equivalent, depending on range. Adding an engine, fuel tank, and fuel seems expensive and inefficient.Ok, but the PHEV has an ICE motor as well. I don't know if the ICE motor in a PHEV weighs more or less than what the ICE generator would weigh but I'd think the difference wouldn't be substantial. It might even be less considering its not directly connnected the drive train like in a PHEV.A PHEV with a 40 mile electric range is different than a pure EV with a 200+ mile range and an ICE generator.Huh? A Plug in hybrid has an engine already.Plug in Hybrid makes way more sense to me for this use case. Batteries are already heavy - adding an engine seems to add cost and weight. PHEV with 30-50 EV only range would work for lots of people.Am I the only one who sees the stupidity in this? You're putting a generator in your vehicle that runs off of fossil fuels, why not just buy the fossil fuel truck or hybrid to start?Wanted to get your thoughts on this different design of the HPEV. I'm really liking the additional battery range compared to other HPEVs. Someone in the comments mentioned that the ICE generator can run at the most efficient RPMs which would save fuel. I'm thinking HPEV for my next car. If the ICE only kicked in when the battery range reached a certain point, it wouldn't be needed for most of the driving that I do.
With electric vehicle sales growth slowing, Stellantis Ram brand has an answer: An onboard charger
One of the biggest reasons people cite when saying they won't buy an electric vehicle is range anxiety, the fear of running out of juice on the road with nowhere to recharge. Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's...
Stellantis' Ram brand may have an answer for that, especially for people who need a truck to haul or tow things. It's called the Ramcharger, a pickup that can travel 145 miles (235 kilometers) on electricity, with a 3.6-liter V6 gas-powered engine linked to a generator that can recharge the battery while the truck is moving.
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Nugget
Footballguy
Fair. I do think we are getting lost in nomenclature. I don’t use the term HPEV
- BEV - Battery Electric - no ICE
- HEV - Hybrid - takes gas only
- PHEV - Hybrid with a plug - can run on electric only for short range (30-50 miles)
NutterButter
Footballguy
I think it is. Just so we're still talking about the same thing, its my understanding that a PHEV has two motors; an electric with that short range and then the ICE when you run out of juice. So the new Dodge truck has the same electric motor (albeit with a greater range so just more batteries) and the ICE generator instead of the ICE motor. So to me, they're almost equivalent weight wise (they both have a fuel tank, both have fuel) in that regard. Where the new design shines is that b/c its just an electric motor, the transmission is simpler and the generator runs at optimal fuel efficiency unlike an ICE motor.
FreeBaGeL
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So what are the real world advantages to BEV with ICE generator compared to PHEVs that have existed for years? Just the longer EV range? Is that a product of them using an ICE generator instead of an ICE motor or just a product of using a larger electric motor which could also be done in a PHEV if they were willing to accept the same weight penalty?
NutterButter
Footballguy
it sounds like greater fuel efficiency b/c the generator can run at the optimal number of rpms (just like we know an ICE car has that speed sweet spot for efficiency) and simpler design since you just have the one motor connected to the drive train and the transmission would just need to be a single speed like any EV. They'd both have the same range when running on gas. I'd think the electric range is by choice on the current PHEVs but I find it a little too low. I'm sure they've crunched the numbers and found that to be the ideal balance between range and cost; more range just means more initial cost and less mpg b/c of the added battery weight. Maybe non-trucks will be closer to the current range but for trucks they need more battery to handle towing which chews through more electricity.
Ron Swanson
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I'm surprised no one has drawn the parallel to diesel electric train locomotives. It's the same concept with different fuel and an interim battery pack.
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