I think you’re proving Tim’s point. Look at where those fall on Joe’s link of media bias, compared to the conservative sites mentioned.Off the Top of My Head
1. Politico
2. NY Times
3. Washington Post
4. Vanity Fair
5. Huffington Post
6. The Guardian
That’s really what it comes down to, I think.I think you’re proving Tim’s point. Look at where those fall on Joe’s link of media bias, compared to the conservative sites mentioned.
There’s certainly biased garbage on both sides, but the extreme liberal sites haven’t achieved the same level of popularity as their conservative counterparts.
If you had read the link that Maurile posted in Tim's thread, you would have seen this:Off the Top of My Head
1. Politico
2. NY Times
3. Washington Post
4. Vanity Fair
5. Huffington Post
6. The Guardian
7. Vox
Maurile Tremblay said:Please do not be stupid and nominate the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and the like.
The Times and Post have been caught red handed posting fake news on multiple occasions. Is that up for debate?If you had read the link that Maurile posted in Tim's thread, you would have seen this:
By definition, that wasn't fake news.The Times was caught red handed posting fake news. Is that up for debate?If you had read the link that Maurile posted in Tim's thread, you would have seen this:
NY Times Apologizes
Is it your contention the Times hasn’t reported fake news?By definition, that wasn't fake news.
The Times was reporting a claim by Kavanaugh's accuser.
They apologized for the vulgar nature of the tweet, not for the veracity of the allegation.
In your opinion, where can one find reliable news?Is it your contention the Times hasn’t reported fake news?
It's my contention that the link you claimed was fake news was not fake news.Is it your contention the Times hasn’t reported fake news?By definition, that wasn't fake news.
The Times was reporting a claim by Kavanaugh's accuser.
They apologized for the vulgar nature of the tweet, not for the veracity of the allegation.
I think this article provides a fair summary.In your opinion, where can one find reliable news?
That may be true.That’s really what it comes down to, I think.
Sure there are liberal insane sites, they just don’t have the same reach.
With the WAPO, the reporter, Dave Weigel made a mistake and jumped to a conclusion from a photo he saw on Twitter. It was not intentional on his part to mislead. And this was his private Twitter account, it was not published in the WAPO or on their website. He deleted the tweet and then later apologized to Trump. The WAPO itself, did not apologize because there was no need to and did not discipline Weigel.The Times and Post have been caught red handed posting fake news on multiple occasions. Is that up for debate?
Here are a few examples.
NY Times Apologizes
Washington Post Apology
Perhaps Maurile is distinguishing between fake news and biased news, but that seems to be an awfully slippery slope.I think this article provides a fair summary.
Least Biased News Outlets
As you can see, almost all of the outlets I listed have negative scores.
For the record I don’t think it is. I am a very biased person. I try not to be a dishonest person. I trust that would describe you as well and most people here.Perhaps Maurile is distinguishing between fake news and biased news, but that seems to be an awfully slippery slope.
To be honest, I don’t read most these sites with frequency so I couldn’t pretend to know or compare their honesty and reputation.@TripItUp before I comment I just want to clarify something: In my OP I listed World Net Daily, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit and InfoWars. I described each as dishonest and disreputable right wing news sources. In your OP, meant to imitate mine, you listed Politico, the New York Times, the Washington Post, among others. Do you truly believe that these news sources, in terms of honesty and reputation, are the left wing equivalent of the right wing sources I mentioned?
Then the purpose of your OP was what? To simply troll me?To be honest, I don’t read most these sites with frequency so I couldn’t pretend to know or compare their honesty and reputation.
No, I don’t troll.Then the purpose of your OP was what? To simply troll me?
I think the unique page views for InfoWars were shown to dwarf any of the other truly insane sites for either side on a regular basis at one point. That may have changed since Alex Jones admitted under oath that it’s all an act.That may be true.
Has that been measured? I honestly don’t know.
You just wrote that you have no idea about their honesty or reputation. How can you then call them “objectively fake news/biased”?No, to post sites that are objectively fake news/biased.
Research such as the article I provided a link to and what I have read.You just wrote that you have no idea about their honesty or reputation. How can you then call them “objectively fake news/biased”?
No it really isn’t. I don’t think your comparison holds up at all, and the fact that you and so many others believe some of the the sources you listed can’t be trusted is a real problem in our society.Research such as the article I provided a link to and what I have read.
Probably similar to your process.
Because he’s trollingYou just wrote that you have no idea about their honesty or reputation. How can you then call them “objectively fake news/biased”?
So you don’t trust the business insider link I provided?No it really isn’t. I don’t think your comparison holds up at all, and the fact that you and so many others believe some of the the sources you listed can’t be trusted is a real problem in our society.
:rollingsmileydeleted:I think this article provides a fair summary.In your opinion, where can one find reliable news?
Least Biased News Outlets
As you can see, almost all of the outlets I listed have negative scores.
That's a link to a story about a jogger slapping a reporter's butt.
Hmmm...not sure I agree that a poll should determine degree of bias. While there are certainly different ways to report (or fail to report) the news, objective truth should be the standard.I think this article provides a fair summary.
Least Biased News Outlets
As you can see, almost all of the outlets I listed have negative scores.
I don't think basing it just on public polling is a very good way to determine which news outlets are more biased than others.I think this article provides a fair summary.
Least Biased News Outlets
As you can see, almost all of the outlets I listed have negative scores.
Places like the chart Joe has often linked to...So you don’t trust the business insider link I provided?
What process did you use to identify your websites?
Overall, we rate the New York Times Left-Center biased based on word and story selection that moderately favors the left, but highly factual and considered one of the most reliable sources for news information due to proper sourcing and well respected journalists/editors. The failed fact checks that occurred were on Op-Ed’s and not straight news reporting.
Wow. I thought this thread was a serious response to Tim's thread but you just admitted you aren't familiar with these sites you point to as fake news.To be honest, I don’t read most these sites with frequency so I couldn’t pretend to know or compare their honesty and reputation.
I think it changed since he was kicked off of YouTube and the other major platforms.Henry Ford said:I think the unique page views for InfoWars were shown to dwarf any of the other truly insane sites for either side on a regular basis at one point. That may have changed since Alex Jones admitted under oath that it’s all an act.
The most similar "left wing bias" site (which is weird given that it's Louise Mensch) on the media bias chart is patribotics.blog.I think it changed since he was kicked off of YouTube and the other major platforms.
So your obviously unbiased views are coming from PBS and NPR, correct?TripItUp said:I think this article provides a fair summary.
Least Biased News Outlets
As you can see, almost all of the outlets I listed have negative scores.
Reality and objectivity are becoming increasingly irrelevant. All you need is some tribalism served with a side of false equivalence and confirmation bias and Wa-la, Joe Biden is now as crooked as Bernie Madoff.This thread is the problem in America in a nutshell. The New York Times was just compared to Infowars. Good lord.
This thread is the problem in America in a nutshell. The New York Times was just compared to Infowars. Good lord.
I'm no philosopher but I'm pretty sure the concept of impeachment does not have agency. It can't devolve all by itself. So who is devolving it? Seems like the White House's absence is a contributing factor- so why is the White House absent, and how does that decision comport with the Constitution, the law, historical practices and American's shared understanding of the responsibilities of the branches of government over the history of our republic? What other factors are producing all this devolving?With White House Absent, Impeachment Devolves Into Partisan Brawl
President Trump is refusing to engage and Democrats have concluded they will press ahead anyway, rendering a historic undertaking little more than a foregone conclusion.
Good post.This is such an example of how lost we are
Comparing errors in reporting at legitimate news sites with crazy off the chart sites that just peddle lies.
We have lost any semblance of intelligence if we cant decipher the difference
I blame Tim. It's his fault for starting a thread which asked (paraphrasing) "Do liberal fake news sites even exist?", rather than asking a more specific and pertinent question, such as "Are there any liberal sites that compare to InfoWars or Gateway Pundit that also have similar levels of bias, reliability, distribution AND influence?"This is such an example of how lost we are
Comparing errors in reporting at legitimate news sites with crazy off the chart sites that just peddle lies.
Actual, you know, journalism? Yes, it's insane.This is such an example of how lost we are
Comparing errors in reporting at legitimate news sites with crazy off the chart sites that just peddle lies.
We have lost any semblance of intelligence if we cant decipher the difference
Is it your contention that there is not a liberal equivalent?Good post.
Infowarts reported that Hillary had Parkinson's before the election. That's the level of repugnant dishonesty that should be spotlighted for its wrongness.