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All Teens Should Work a Grubby Job...So Says Time Mag. (1 Viewer)

When I was a teen, almost every guy I knew worked on tobacco farms. It sucked. But learning that work ethic (and that manual labor was a crap way to make a living) was very helpful.

The tobacco farms are all but gone around here now, and there's not a whole lot of jobs for teenagers available. It really worries me as these young people get ready for adulthood without that experience.

 
Totally agree with this. My 17 year old step daughter did not find a job for several months after turning 16. She essentially refused to apply at fast food places, etc., because she felt those jobs were too unappealing. Quite the rediculous attitude when you have never had a job and have essentially zero marketable skills.

 
Picking Rock (removing rocks, by hand, from corn and soybean fields)

Dishwashing at dirty small town steakhouse and bar

Catering at said establishment (VFW halls and hick weddings)

Low guy in the totem poll with homebuilder aka gopher or b-i-t-c-h boy(this was the hardest Ive ever worked)

 
I think it's a great idea. There is definitely a sense of entitlement among many in this generation and that kind of thing is good for entitlement. Especially if you have them along side salty old blue collar fellas who won't put up with their ####.

I had three jobs simultaneously for junior and senior years of high school. Worked at a golf course, delivered pizzas and dealt weed. The weed dealing was the best education of the three.

 
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When I was a teen, almost every guy I knew worked on tobacco farms. It sucked. But learning that work ethic (and that manual labor was a crap way to make a living) was very helpful.

The tobacco farms are all but gone around here now, and there's not a whole lot of jobs for teenagers available. It really worries me as these young people get ready for adulthood without that experience.
Mostly the latter part for me. I had such ####ty jobs as a teenager that I knew I had to go to college.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
Sure, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory for either party in the transaction. Not having money means you have to ask someone to give you money. Yuck. Giving someone money who doesn't try to work (assuming that's the case) is even more yucky.
A lot of these kids are busy doing other stuff. Not having a job doesn't mean they're sitting around doing nothing.

 
Picking Rock (removing rocks, by hand, from corn and soybean fields)

Dishwashing at dirty small town steakhouse and bar

Catering at said establishment (VFW halls and hick weddings)

Low guy in the totem poll with homebuilder aka gopher or b-i-t-c-h boy(this was the hardest Ive ever worked)
First three jobs in order:

Poop scooper at dog kennel

Feed sack thrower at Southern States (farm co-op for those of you under 40)

Shift manager at gas station

Funny, but I liked the gas station job the least. Interacting with the public is stressful if you're not a people person.

 
When I was a teen, almost every guy I knew worked on tobacco farms. It sucked. But learning that work ethic (and that manual labor was a crap way to make a living) was very helpful.

The tobacco farms are all but gone around here now, and there's not a whole lot of jobs for teenagers available. It really worries me as these young people get ready for adulthood without that experience.
Not a lot of those jobs around for kids anymore. We walked beans in the Summer, but RoundUp Ready® beans have have put an end to that. Thanks Monsanto. :rolleyes:

Get off my lawn! :rant:

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
Sure, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory for either party in the transaction. Not having money means you have to ask someone to give you money. Yuck. Giving someone money who doesn't try to work (assuming that's the case) is even more yucky.
A lot of these kids are busy doing other stuff. Not having a job doesn't mean they're sitting around doing nothing.
I saw that and understand it. It still doesn't negate the fact that they're financially dependent and that can be a crappy state of affairs. It may be great that some parents can give their kids the childhood experience of doing something really interesting and fun instead of doing grunt work but I'm inherently not gonna be able to identify with that level of income (or mindset) at all.

 
Sorry but summer travel baseball and star gazing camp aren't proper replacements for learning to put your head down, shut up and work.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
It's great for time management skills though. My son was an honor student, played sports, was in band, choir, other school activities, and had a job. Not sure how he did it. Sure prepared him for college though. College is almost a break for him. His younger sister wouldn't be able to handle it though.

 
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A lot of these kids are busy doing other stuff. Not having a job doesn't mean they're sitting around doing nothing.
I saw that and understand it. It still doesn't negate the fact that they're financially dependent and that can be a crappy state of affairs. It may be great that some parents can give their kids the childhood experience of doing something really interesting and fun instead of doing grunt work but I'm inherently not gonna be able to identify with that level of income (or mindset) at all.
Virtually all teens are financially dependent on their parents on some level. I don't see that as a huge deal. Kids eventually grow up and get real jobs.

 
Worthless article. If you agree with it, your teen-ager probably has had a job of somesort. If you disagree with it, they probably dont/wont. Its basically preaching to the choir.

 
All teenagers should work a #### job and have a ####box car, at least for a little while. You don't really appreciate nice things unless you have something really not nice to compare it to.

 
I would like to see a federal mandate to serve your country for two years, military or civilian (peace corps, National parks, habitat for humanity, etc.) with a break on your college or other education costs as part of the reward. IMO as a country, on one hand our youth are lacking core values and discipline and on the other are full of entitlement. Something needs to change.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
I was about to call BS on this, saying that a kid should be able to balance both (and I'm still pretty much of that mindset), but...

I did just set in on a meeting with a HS student that went from nearly straight A's to C's and D's while going from almost no absences to habitual truant status. Through the meeting, we found out that she was working every day from 3:30 -11:00 at a fast food restaurant, plus closing most nights which put her getting home just before midnight. Hard to keep grades up like that...

That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
I was about to call BS on this, saying that a kid should be able to balance both (and I'm still pretty much of that mindset), but...

I did just set in on a meeting with a HS student that went from nearly straight A's to C's and D's while going from almost no absences to habitual truant status. Through the meeting, we found out that she was working every day from 3:30 -11:00 at a fast food restaurant, plus closing most nights which put her getting home just before midnight. Hard to keep grades up like that...

That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
She isn't cut out for life outside of education then. I worked at a restaurant and part time in construction and still maintained my grades. Kids today are weak.

 
A lot of these kids are busy doing other stuff. Not having a job doesn't mean they're sitting around doing nothing.
I saw that and understand it. It still doesn't negate the fact that they're financially dependent and that can be a crappy state of affairs. It may be great that some parents can give their kids the childhood experience of doing something really interesting and fun instead of doing grunt work but I'm inherently not gonna be able to identify with that level of income (or mindset) at all.
Virtually all teens are financially dependent on their parents on some level. I don't see that as a huge deal. Kids eventually grow up and get real jobs.
Independence, fats, independence. Baby steps and all that.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
I was about to call BS on this, saying that a kid should be able to balance both (and I'm still pretty much of that mindset), but...

I did just set in on a meeting with a HS student that went from nearly straight A's to C's and D's while going from almost no absences to habitual truant status. Through the meeting, we found out that she was working every day from 3:30 -11:00 at a fast food restaurant, plus closing most nights which put her getting home just before midnight. Hard to keep grades up like that...

That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
She isn't cut out for life outside of education then. I worked at a restaurant and part time in construction and still maintained my grades. Kids today are weak.
:lol: Nice hyperbowl.

 
That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
What constitutes a "normal teen?" I'm not sure how realistic this is for kids who are involved in time-consuming extracurriculars like sports or orchestra or drama. I never had a job during the school year when I was growing up. It's hard for me to imagine how I could have worked 20 hours a week on top of other stuff I was doing. Sure I could have quit the soccer and track teams to do it, but it seems to me that those were worthwhile activities too.

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
I was about to call BS on this, saying that a kid should be able to balance both (and I'm still pretty much of that mindset), but...

I did just set in on a meeting with a HS student that went from nearly straight A's to C's and D's while going from almost no absences to habitual truant status. Through the meeting, we found out that she was working every day from 3:30 -11:00 at a fast food restaurant, plus closing most nights which put her getting home just before midnight. Hard to keep grades up like that...

That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
She isn't cut out for life outside of education then. I worked at a restaurant and part time in construction and still maintained my grades. Kids today are weak.
:lol: Nice hyperbowl.
In honor of the SuperBowl. I do my best.

 
I would like to see a federal mandate to serve your country for two years, military or civilian (peace corps, National parks, habitat for humanity, etc.) with a break on your college or other education costs as part of the reward. IMO as a country, on one hand our youth are lacking core values and discipline and on the other are full of entitlement. Something needs to change.
Good luck getting that off the ground

 
I would like to see a federal mandate to serve your country for two years, military or civilian (peace corps, National parks, habitat for humanity, etc.) with a break on your college or other education costs as part of the reward. IMO as a country, on one hand our youth are lacking core values and discipline and on the other are full of entitlement. Something needs to change.
Good luck getting that off the ground
He's just the guy to pitch it.

 
I would like to see a federal mandate to serve your country for two years, military or civilian (peace corps, National parks, habitat for humanity, etc.) with a break on your college or other education costs as part of the reward. IMO as a country, on one hand our youth are lacking core values and discipline and on the other are full of entitlement. Something needs to change.
That's pretty much as un-American as it gets.

 
When I turned 15 I got my first job working for someone other than my dad at a fast food greek joint in the mall...making gyros, slicing and prepping running the counter etc. I worked for a couple of Iranian guys who owned the place called Golden City. It was Greek and some Italian food (basic pasta, garlic rolls and chicken parm as well).

Making 3.30 cents an hour (1985/86). I remember after 4 months they were so impressed with my work ethic they gave me a 5 cent raise LOL.

Anyway after getting sick of it I moved to Camelot music where I worked for 2 years.

Every kid should get a part time job the moment they get their drivers permit (I did at 15). My first car was a jalopy 1974 Camero. it has no A/C, just a piece of ***t am/fm one speaker radio, and the headliner was stapled to the roof. The car was a total piece of crap but it had a 305 V8 and ran on leaded gasoline. I drove that for a year and proved my mettle as a safe driver. Then my dad got sick of looking at this rusted thing on his driveway and the oil leaking on the brick paver and got me a used Chevy Caviler Type 10 2 door coupe. It has A/C and a stero cassette player. I thought I hit the lottery.

When I went to college I got a brand new 1990 Nissan Maxima that I put the down the down payment for (3K). My dad matched it. And I made the car payments with my part time job. I kept that car for 237K miles (11 years).

No question when my son turns 15 and is a freshman in high school he is getting a part time job. It's not an option. It is a requirement. He will use that money to help pay for his gas, some of his car insurance and also use the rest for some of his needs (his own weekend entertainment sch as dating girls, going to ball games whatever). I fully believe in teaching teen age kids the meaning of work ethic, personal responsibility and learning how to work well with others.

In this day and age I can't believe the "helicoptering" going on for lack of a better term. I live in a very well to do (upper income) suburb of Fort Lauderdale and kids are freaking spoiled rotten and living in a bubble. It's sickening.

My son has a few jobs at his tender age of now 10 (in March)

1. Do well in school

2. Respect your elders

3. Do the few choirs I have given him (cleaning his room, taking out the garbage, doing yard work with me etc)

It's pretty simple. Yet I see kids running amok around me. It's mind numbing the sense of entitlement kids have today...and young adults for that matter. I think Gen Y (generally speaking) is the last gen of true work ethic...I really do (I am a gen X'er).

 
:confused: How do teens get spending money without jobs?
From their parents?
:goodposting:

Our daughter is on the Honor Roll and we want her to keep the grades up..

We are working with her to find a job, but it is difficult in a small town to find a job that allows her to "set her own hours" so she doesn't have to work during the week as studies come first.
I was about to call BS on this, saying that a kid should be able to balance both (and I'm still pretty much of that mindset), but...

I did just set in on a meeting with a HS student that went from nearly straight A's to C's and D's while going from almost no absences to habitual truant status. Through the meeting, we found out that she was working every day from 3:30 -11:00 at a fast food restaurant, plus closing most nights which put her getting home just before midnight. Hard to keep grades up like that...

That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
She isn't cut out for life outside of education then. I worked at a restaurant and part time in construction and still maintained my grades. Kids today are weak.
:lol: Nice hyperbowl.
Is that like a Superbowl?

 
We need a spin-off thread. When did you attend HS, what job (if any) did you have, and how much did you get paid?

 
We need a spin-off thread. When did you attend HS, what job (if any) did you have, and how much did you get paid?
:lmao:

bonafides

btw, i had three jobs AND a healthy party schedule to keep up. kids today...sheesh.

 
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If I had kids I'd make them do choirs, too. Free to Be You and Me, London Bridge (w/ rounds), Rainbow Connection...things like that.

 
most of my tight opinions about money were formed by spending nearly a decade mowing lawns.

My friends with cushier jobs had no problem spending their money on movies and clothes.

but i felt like I'd spent hours sweating to make a few bucks here and there doing my lawn work... It taught me my theory that really you're trading time and heartache doing one thing for hopefully enjoyment in something different.

Rarely did i feel like the enjoyment I derived from spending off-set the pain of the work. It was then, even before I did my first filling that I realized my life dream was early retirement... it was the only end game.. well other than being 6 ft under.

 
That being said, no reason a normal teen can't hold down a 20 hr/week job and make the grades.
What constitutes a "normal teen?" I'm not sure how realistic this is for kids who are involved in time-consuming extracurriculars like sports or orchestra or drama. I never had a job during the school year when I was growing up. It's hard for me to imagine how I could have worked 20 hours a week on top of other stuff I was doing. Sure I could have quit the soccer and track teams to do it, but it seems to me that those were worthwhile activities too.
I played high school baseball and was in a rock band and had a steady girl. I was a B average student.

I worked One night during the week (5-10PM) and then typically worked either Friday nights Saturday all day or Sunday all day. During baseball season my employer worked with me on making a schedule once my baseball schedule was known. Over Christmas break I would go full time and bank. I even dressed up as Santa Claus for two straight years (and I am Jewish) and sat in front of Sears for the Cherry Hill photograph company in the Aventura Mall (where I worked for a long time age 15-21) because they paid me 15 bucks an hour which back in 1988 and 89 was a nice wage.

I worked 20 hours a week as a high school student on average. You learn how to manage your time and set your priorities and I had a great high school experience. I look back on those years with a lot of pride and how it really helped shape my work ethic and the success I have enjoyed since my 20's and continue to today.

Team sports and working a job taught me the most life lessons besides the ones I got from my parents and grand parents.

On the flip side my Dad's second marriage netted two more sons for him and they never worked a day in their life all the way through college and even grad school (except for internships). Both of them graduated with law degrees and near the top of their classes the younger one is still unemployed (25 years old) and he still sends the other one (28 years old) supplemental income as he toils in L.A working for an entertainment firm for 50K a year which is poverty in L.A.

Go figure that one out (guess there are too many lawyers around).

They lack the social skills that I learned at a young age because my Dad did not coddle me....and he was married to the same woman while I lived with him ages 15-20 (complicated story). I moved out at 21 and never looked back. I thank god for the way I was raised each and every day and I am raising my son almost the same way and trying not to make the same mistakes my Dad and Mom made along the way (we all will make mistakes of course). They had a nasty divorce.

 

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