An unbelievably detailed examination of Cam Newton (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

FWIW, I think Dilfer and Brandt are two of the worst draft analysts. Not saying that they're wrong on Newton, but I have zero faith in either guy as an "expert".

 

[BigTex]

FWIW, I think Dilfer and Brandt are two of the worst draft analysts. Not saying that they're wrong on Newton, but I have zero faith in either guy as an "expert".

Goose Gosselin was on today and he had a valid point. He said he wouldn't draft Cam in the 1st simply because there's just not enough body of work on him, just one year of tape. He said he prefer to see a larger body of work something between 1400-1600 snaps from a NCAA QB.

 

[Andrew Garda]

FWIW, I think Dilfer and Brandt are two of the worst draft analysts. Not saying that they're wrong on Newton, but I have zero faith in either guy as an "expert".

Goose Gosselin was on today and he had a valid point. He said he wouldn't draft Cam in the 1st simply because there's just not enough body of work on him, just one year of tape. He said he prefer to see a larger body of work something between 1400-1600 snaps from a NCAA QB.

That's a very good point. OTOH, though a lower level of competition, did play at JUCO as well.PS - awesome avatar Tex

 

[Don Quixote]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department.

"I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

"Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

 

[Donsmith753]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department."I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.""Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

That last ones similar to the famous "I'm not racist but...."

 

[GroveDiesel]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department."I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.""Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

He's certainly not very humble.Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and seemed very alarmed by the first quote. And maybe he's right to be. But what if Newton had said "I want to be exactly like Peyton Manning. Both on the field and off the field." Would anyone even bat an eyelash? Or would everyone be saying that he had exactly the right attitude and had his head on straight? And yet, isn't Manning not only a great QB, but also an entertainer and icon? There's not a single player in the NFL that is more recognizable and has more marketing around him. And nobody questions his dedication to the game. Honestly, I'm not even sure why I'm going to bat for the kid. He's arrogant and I absolutely believe that he and his dad tried to cheat the rules in the NCAA. But I think some people are just looking for reasons not to like the guy too.

 

[wadegarrett]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department.

"I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

"Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

oofHe wants to try to do what Braylon Edwards couldn't.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department."I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.""Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

He's certainly not very humble.Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and seemed very alarmed by the first quote. And maybe he's right to be. But what if Newton had said "I want to be exactly like Peyton Manning. Both on the field and off the field." Would anyone even bat an eyelash? Or would everyone be saying that he had exactly the right attitude and had his head on straight? And yet, isn't Manning not only a great QB, but also an entertainer and icon? There's not a single player in the NFL that is more recognizable and has more marketing around him. And nobody questions his dedication to the game. Honestly, I'm not even sure why I'm going to bat for the kid. He's arrogant and I absolutely believe that he and his dad tried to cheat the rules in the NCAA. But I think some people are just looking for reasons not to like the guy too.

Then he should be smart enough to communicate in a way that is well received - Peyton would. He didn't.You need to be able to phrase your words that get you the end result you desire. <<< That holds true in every walk of life.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some of Cam's quotes today. He's definitely not lacking in the confidence department."I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.""Not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

He's certainly not very humble.Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and seemed very alarmed by the first quote. And maybe he's right to be. But what if Newton had said "I want to be exactly like Peyton Manning. Both on the field and off the field." Would anyone even bat an eyelash? Or would everyone be saying that he had exactly the right attitude and had his head on straight? And yet, isn't Manning not only a great QB, but also an entertainer and icon? There's not a single player in the NFL that is more recognizable and has more marketing around him. And nobody questions his dedication to the game. Honestly, I'm not even sure why I'm going to bat for the kid. He's arrogant and I absolutely believe that he and his dad tried to cheat the rules in the NCAA. But I think some people are just looking for reasons not to like the guy too.

Agreed. It was a dumb thing to say in an interview, but the fact is if he lives up to the hype it's the truth. Sports figures are entertainers (why else to do pay money to see them?) and if they rise above the game due to their play on the field they do become cultural icons. Derek Jeter, Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Lebron, Ray Lewis, etc. are all players that even non sports fans know who they are.

 

[GroveDiesel]

“Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, you look at how good they are every year,” Newton said. “The question is how do they do it? Nothing you can point to but hard work. In the offseason. In the regular season.”

 

[Johnny Ice]

This "entertainer/icon" quote is much ado about nothing. The quote standing alone makes it seem like Cam is arrogant ##### with his mind on everything but football, but he's answering a question about what inking the Under Armour deal meant to him. He's simply stating a dream, I don't see anything wrong with dreaming big. When Peter King tweeted that quote he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[bagger]

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I think Newton is a bigger-better version of Michael Vick and he seems to be working to get over a rough imaturity patch that Vick didn't have to face till he got cornered.

I see Cam going in the top five and quite possibly the top pick.

I do not see him making it past pick seven.

more like a vince young...whoever takes newton will not make the playoffs in the next 7 years if they draft him to be their starting qb.

 

[moderated]

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I think Newton is a bigger-better version of Michael Vick and he seems to be working to get over a rough imaturity patch that Vick didn't have to face till he got cornered.

I see Cam going in the top five and quite possibly the top pick.

I do not see him making it past pick seven.

more like a vince young...whoever takes newton will not make the playoffs in the next 7 years if they draft him to be their starting qb.

If he is a starter for 7 years his team will almost surely make the playoffs one of them. It isn't like the playoffs are that exclusive in the nfl, especially if he gets drafted by SF as their division sucks.

 

[GroveDiesel]

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I think Newton is a bigger-better version of Michael Vick and he seems to be working to get over a rough imaturity patch that Vick didn't have to face till he got cornered.

I see Cam going in the top five and quite possibly the top pick.

I do not see him making it past pick seven.

more like a vince young...whoever takes newton will not make the playoffs in the next 7 years if they draft him to be their starting qb.

What makes you compare him to Vince Young other than their size and their skin color?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

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I think Newton is a bigger-better version of Michael Vick and he seems to be working to get over a rough imaturity patch that Vick didn't have to face till he got cornered.

I see Cam going in the top five and quite possibly the top pick.

I do not see him making it past pick seven.

more like a vince young...whoever takes newton will not make the playoffs in the next 7 years if they draft him to be their starting qb.

and of course Vince Young HAS been to the playoffs as a starting QB (and a backup QB).

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Chad Reuter breaks down Newton's Pro Day workout zeroing in on mechanics.

Good read on the technical aspects of Newton.

LINK Chad Reuter breaks down Cam Newton

Newton impresses; "area code accuracy" a concern

Posted on: March 8, 2011 8:35 pm

... He and throwing coach George Whitfield began his workout rolling out to his right, then left, keeping his shoulders square--though drifting forward a bit when running to his left, which would be into defenders during games. He continued to show his athleticism with footwork asked to shuffle within "the pocket", keeping his focus on Whitfield while moving with short, quick shuffle steps (without crossing his legs or even narrowing his stance).

There was not much wasted footwork in three, five or seven-step drops, as Newton usually got to his plant efficiently. Dropping in workouts does not require the expediency needed during games, but his drops were not slow or lazy by any stretch--and they were much tighter than those from Arkansas Ryan Mallett during his pro day workout.

Scouts will not come away from the workout with questions about Newton's release or arm strength. The ball popped out of his hand, and his over-the-top delivery is pretty quick for a quarterback with nearly 34-inch arms. The vast majority of his throws were tight spirals (with a handful of slight wobblers), allowing them to cut through wind on cold fall days.

His trajectory on deep passes was also much better than most other quarterbacks' were at the Combine, not putting too much air underneath them to prevent safeties from getting to sideline or seam throws (and artificially inflate workout completion percentages).

The main issue scouts will have with Newton's workouts is his "area code accuracy." His intermediate comebacks and curls were on the money, as were his speed outs to either side of the field. But not every ball was planted into his receiver's numbers, with several outs and seams throws only in the vicinity of the receiver (whether high, in front of, or behind the receiver). Those deep throws, while looking nice, did not hit their targets often enough.

Newton's over-the-top delivery actually causes some of his issues, as when his weight is not transferred correctly (as happened in Indianapolis), balls will sail over the heads of his receivers. Keeping short throws low (away from defenders and preventing tipped passes) can be an issue for him, as well, because of tall delivery but he managed that feat Tuesday. ....

Interesting observation on the issue of accuracy being affected by Cam's over-the-top delivery and weight distribution. Sounds as though that issue can be corrected by good coaching.

The rest of his game seems better than other prospects.

So far eight clubs have requested and have been granted private workouts with Newton.

Former Auburn University QB Cam Newton has eight private workouts scheduled, according to NFL.com.

The Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans and Washington Redskins are first teams scheduled to work out Newton.

It seems that teams who have have a shot at this guy and even if they appear to only have a marginal need at QB are conducting due diligence to make sure they are not passing up a franchise QB.

Wouldn't shock me if he ends up going #1 after all is said and done.