Andre Brown vs David Wilson (1 Viewer)

[Bolebuns]

I was surprised that brown had all the work after Bradshaw went. What will the role of these two guys be going forward if Bradshaw misses time?

 

[One]

I was surprised that brown had all the work after Bradshaw went. What will the role of these two guys be going forward if Bradshaw misses time?

Brown = BradshawWilson = his own set of special plays outside of the Giants' base Run n' Shoot offense.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Surprised there's so little talk about Brown.

 

[socrates]

Andre Brown does a lot of things well -- he combines power with adequate speed, shows decent vision and has good hands out of the backfield -- but he does none of it exceptionally. He is a stopgap, IMO. If you are looking for a potential short-term flex play, Brown could fill the role. There is no word on the MRI on Bradshaw's neck yet, but with the short week, I expect Brown to start Week 3. Beyond Week 3, I am doubtful Brown will hold much value, however, but stay tuned to news out of New York on the extent of Bradshaw's injury.

I am interested to see how much the Giants will try to phase in David Wilson, who has had only a very minor role thus far. That role could expand quickly.

If you are a Bradshaw owner, you are probably rooting for Brown to perform well in Bradshaw's absence, keeping WIlson off the field as much as possible. Once Wilson hits his stride, Bradshaw's value will plummet.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Probably so little talk on brown because of unknown status Bradshaw...is it one week injury or long term

 

[shadyridr]

Andre Brown does a lot of things well -- he combines power with adequate speed, shows decent vision and has good hands out of the backfield -- but he does none of it exceptionally. He is a stopgap, IMO. If you are looking for a potential short-term flex play, Brown could fill the role. There is no word on the MRI on Bradshaw's neck yet, but with the short week, I expect Brown to start Week 3. Beyond Week 3, I am doubtful Brown will hold much value, however, but stay tuned to news out of New York on the extent of Bradshaw's injury.

I am interested to see how much the Giants will try to phase in David Wilson, who has had only a very minor role thus far. That role could expand quickly.

If you are a Bradshaw owner, you are probably rooting for Brown to perform well in Bradshaw's absence, keeping WIlson off the field as much as possible. Once Wilson hits his stride, Bradshaw's value will plummet.

Here we go again

 

[Bigboy10182000]

At this point it doesnt really matter. The team has a ton of injuries and they were the 32nd ranked rushing team in the league last season. The smart move would be to stay away or if you own Bradshaw, Brown or Wilson just pray

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.

If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week).

Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now.

I have spoken.

 

[Rushmore]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week). Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now. I have spoken.

 

[pantherclub]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=538556&st=0&p=12040956&hl=andre%20brown&fromsearch=1entry12040956

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=468736&st=0&p=10340373&hl=andre%20brown&fromsearch=1entry10340373

Here are 2 good old threads on Andre Brown. I always thought he could contribute if he got his injuries taken care of. He is a big, fast, physical back that catches passes.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week). Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now. I have spoken.

I dunno. There a lot of fat giants fans here.

 

[Statcruncher]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week). Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now. I have spoken.

I dunno. There a lot of fat giants fans here.

Trust him.

 

[Chaka]

I appreciate the insight but, but considering the internet and the 24 hour sports news cycle, I am not sure how being a fan of any team gives anyone particular insight above anyone else.

 

[jackdubl]

I appreciate the insight but, but considering the internet and the 24 hour sports news cycle, I am not sure how being a fan of any team gives anyone particular insight above anyone else.

It isn't just being a fan that would give any particular insight. I think you need to go deeper in your analysis. Perhaps review what the poster wrote in its entirety.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week). Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now. I have spoken.

I dunno. There a lot of fat giants fans here.

Trust him.

Either this is a joke, or who knows who this guy is and it is a bit of an inside source.I'm going with option A, personally.

 

[Statcruncher]

First off, trust me on all things Giants. I am very much in the know about the GMEN and most likely the biggest fan on this forum.If Bradshaw is out for any amount of time, you have to factor in da'rell Scott as well (hes been hurt but will prob play this week). Agree with the poster who theorized that WIlson has his own plays and at this point Ahmad's injury doesn't change that. Dude has talent but looks very tentative out there right now. I have spoken.

I dunno. There a lot of fat giants fans here.

Trust him.

Either this is a joke, or who knows who this guy is and it is a bit of an inside source.I'm going with option A, personally.

I assumed option A as well.

 

[ichris]

Brown is ready now, Wilson needs more time.

 

[Dought Man]

The Shark Pool sniffs out sarcasm about as quickly as Lindsay Lohan realizes her mistakes.

 

[netnalp]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=538556&st=0&p=12040956&hl=andre%20brown&fromsearch=1entry12040956http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=468736&st=0&p=10340373&hl=andre%20brown&fromsearch=1entry10340373Here are 2 good old threads on Andre Brown. I always thought he could contribute if he got his injuries taken care of. He is a big, fast, physical back that catches passes.

Good to see him able to contribute after that torn achillies.Da 'Rell Scot may play but he's a total question mark as to what role and how much work he'd be given.Brown's play in camp and preseason is why Ware was let go on cut day.

 

[DoubleG]

Andre Brown does a lot of things well -- he combines power with adequate speed, shows decent vision and has good hands out of the backfield -- but he does none of it exceptionally. He is a stopgap, IMO. If you are looking for a potential short-term flex play, Brown could fill the role. There is no word on the MRI on Bradshaw's neck yet, but with the short week, I expect Brown to start Week 3. Beyond Week 3, I am doubtful Brown will hold much value, however, but stay tuned to news out of New York on the extent of Bradshaw's injury.

I am interested to see how much the Giants will try to phase in David Wilson, who has had only a very minor role thus far. That role could expand quickly.

If you are a Bradshaw owner, you are probably rooting for Brown to perform well in Bradshaw's absence, keeping WIlson off the field as much as possible. Once Wilson hits his stride, Bradshaw's value will plummet.

Here we go again

Wasn't that being predicted in week 1...of preseason?

 

[One]

Coach Tom Coughlin hinted that RB Andre Brown would indeed take over as the featured back if Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) sits out Thursday night."I thought Andre did a nice job," Coughlin said. "He certainly was the focal point once Ahmad came out of the game. David (Wilson) has his plays and certainly will get some more time as well." Brown will be a top-30 fantasy option versus the Panthers if Bradshaw is inactive this week.

 

[DoubleG]

Coach Tom Coughlin hinted that RB Andre Brown would indeed take over as the featured back if Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) sits out Thursday night."I thought Andre did a nice job," Coughlin said. "He certainly was the focal point once Ahmad came out of the game. David (Wilson) has his plays and certainly will get some more time as well." Brown will be a top-30 fantasy option versus the Panthers if Bradshaw is inactive this week.

SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Football Jones]

Wilson will be their feature back as soon as next season, but Coughlin is tough on rookies. Wilson needs to prove himself, but he will (eventually). He's got one of the best raw rushing/receiving skill sets in the league & can be a GL back, as well. Wilson doesn't necessarily get it done (the tough yards) with power, but he's strong & has uncanny balance. Those traits helped enable him to lead all of college football in YAC last season.

As far as what happens in the coming weeks, not sure. This is a fluid situation right now. Tough call in redraft leagues.

 

[LOCO]

Not sure why, but i am seeing Wilson having a better day than Brown. With a few days to get a game plan, and not be in pass mode, Wilson could be a sneaky play.

 

[DoubleG]

Not sure why, but i am seeing Wilson having a better day than Brown. With a few days to get a game plan, and not be in pass mode, Wilson could be a sneaky play.

I think too many people are trying to be "sneaky" - there is a reason Brown isn't sneaky - it's because he is the obvious choice for many more carries, goal line work and early down work than a rookie who has confidence issues and fumbilitis playing for Coughlin on a "short" week.

 

[MAC_32]

Not sure why, but i am seeing Wilson having a better day than Brown. With a few days to get a game plan, and not be in pass mode, Wilson could be a sneaky play.

I think too many people are trying to be "sneaky" - there is a reason Brown isn't sneaky - it's because he is the obvious choice for many more carries, goal line work and early down work than a rookie who has confidence issues and fumbilitis playing for Coughlin on a "short" week.

Wilson had a lot of issues to work out coming into the league, he would need to work them out quickly to earn more PT this year and it appears as though he hasn't. He could be the guy next year and earn a greater workload as the year goes on, but he's 2nd fiddle in the interim. Brown's a quality play this week, re-evaluate week-to-week thereafter.

 

[Phenix]

Not sure why, but i am seeing Wilson having a better day than Brown. With a few days to get a game plan, and not be in pass mode, Wilson could be a sneaky play.

You must have Wilson.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I don't think it's all that far-fetched for them to split carries this week.

 

[zamboni]

Wilson may get some more touches this week, but no way does Coughlin rely on him just yet.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

Keep in mind that Brown was running against a pass- spread out defense the whole time before you hype him up to your starting line up.

 

[packersfan]

Wilson may get some more touches this week, but no way does Coughlin rely on him just yet.

I agree but what strikes me about Wilson (and I don't own him for what it's worth) is he's getting action early in games. His fumble in Week 1 came on the Giants' first series. He had a pass target in the first series against the Bucs and a couple of runs in the second series. I think Brown's clearly the safer play tomorrow night but if Wilson gets his "plays" (as Coughlin says) early again and he does something with them it'll be interesting to see if his role grows as the game goes on.It would take some serious stones to start Wilson as a flex this week but it's not inconceivable that it could pay off.

 

[MAC_32]

Regardless of the outcome, Wilson as an awful start this week. It'd be like if you're short stacked in position and push all-in pre-flop with a 5-6 off suit.

 

[Clifford]

My only hope is that Wilson gets at least ten touches and doesn't give Coughlin any reasons to regret giving him those carries. That, and a total Brown faceplant.

 

[zamboni]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

 

[Buck Stop]

I wouldn't dare start Wilson again this year. Until every other back on the team is in a coma or ruled out. God I hate Coughlin.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

I have spoken and all of my prophecies have come to fruition. My knowledge of all things NY Giants will never again be questioned! Get Brown in your lineup. Hes a great flex or RB2. Carolina Kittens cant stop the run, Brown will be fed the ball early and often tomorrow night. I have spoken!

 

[bigbrownbag]

I wouldn't dare start Wilson again this year. Until every other back on the team is in a coma or ruled out. God I hate Coughlin.

You must have started him in week 1. That's your own fault

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I have spoken and all of my prophecies have come to fruition. My knowledge of all things NY Giants will never again be questioned! Get Brown in your lineup. Hes a great flex or RB2. Carolina Kittens cant stop the run, Brown will be fed the ball early and often tomorrow night. I have spoken!

This shtick is annoying. Seriously.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

You can't use that excuse for all 5 times in 4 seasons, "com'on man!"

 

[DoubleG]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

You can't use that excuse for all 5 times in 4 seasons, "com'on man!"

Let's try this a different way...which RB would you rather have take the majority of the carries:RB1: 13 carries at 5.5 YPC, 1 TD, 2 recpetions for 19 yards and 0 turnovers

RB2: 5 carries at 2.0 YPC, 0 TD, 0 Receptions and 1 fumble lost.

Now pretend your Tom Coughlin, and you don't trust rookies and you don't like turnovers...and RB2 is a rookie.

Which one?

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

You can't use that excuse for all 5 times in 4 seasons, "com'on man!"

Shouldnt have stated it as fact, your right. I dont know what he was going against on his other teams. Just speculating. Point was the Giants always liked him. Netnalp-correct me if Im wrong plaese.

 

[lod01]

Coughlin names Brown starter for Thursday.

 

[RamMan]

Has Bradshaw been officially ruled out yet? Sorry if I missed it....

 

[DoubleG]

Has Bradshaw been officially ruled out yet? Sorry if I missed it....

Yep.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

yep Per rotoworld

 

[FarEastKilla]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

You can't use that excuse for all 5 times in 4 seasons, "com'on man!"

Let's try this a different way...which RB would you rather have take the majority of the carries:RB1: 13 carries at 5.5 YPC, 1 TD, 2 recpetions for 19 yards and 0 turnovers

RB2: 5 carries at 2.0 YPC, 0 TD, 0 Receptions and 1 fumble lost.

Now pretend your Tom Coughlin, and you don't trust rookies and you don't like turnovers...and RB2 is a rookie.

Which one?

Once again "You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent."Your statistics are skewed. All Brown's carries are against a pass prevent D in one game while All Wilson's runs are against Run D.

you can't make a conclusion off 5 carries. Your data samples are insufficient even for an educated guess, let alone a conclusion.

By your Logic,

Oakland Raiders Game 2:

RB1 11 Plays 2.0 YPP 0 TD

RB2 3 Plays 27.7 YPP 1 TD

Now pretend you'RE Dennis Allen, and you don't like losing, it's so simple... right?

 

[foxco]

Brown is a better pass blocker than Wilson, that's why he was in last week Giants' 500+ passing yard game.

That may be part of it, but the bigger issue appears to be , as mentioned, that Coughlin doesn't trust the rookie yet in a significant ball carrier role.And with a short week, I don't think they will have the time to prepare him for that role. Maybe next week after a long layoff if Wilson does well, Brown flops and Bradshaw is still out.

I don't see a long term future for Brown, Plug n Play for week 3 if you need a RB badly. You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent. There is a reason why Brown was cut by 5 teams in 4 seasons, we are going to see why in week 3... some would even call this a prophecy.

IIRC the Giants were always high in Brown. It was his Achilles injury that had him bouncing around the league. Teams prob went with the healthier guy when making roster cuts. He obviously looked health this year enough to cut DJ Ware, who they liked also.

You can't use that excuse for all 5 times in 4 seasons, "com'on man!"

Let's try this a different way...which RB would you rather have take the majority of the carries:RB1: 13 carries at 5.5 YPC, 1 TD, 2 recpetions for 19 yards and 0 turnovers

RB2: 5 carries at 2.0 YPC, 0 TD, 0 Receptions and 1 fumble lost.

Now pretend your Tom Coughlin, and you don't trust rookies and you don't like turnovers...and RB2 is a rookie.

Which one?

Once again "You can always gain trust but you can't gain Talent."Your statistics are skewed. All Brown's carries are against a pass prevent D in one game while All Wilson's runs are against Run D.

you can't make a conclusion off 5 carries. Your data samples are insufficient even for an educated guess, let alone a conclusion.

By your Logic,

Oakland Raiders Game 2:

RB1 11 Plays 2.0 YPP 0 TD

RB2 3 Plays 27.7 YPP 1 TD

Now pretend you'RE Dennis Allen, and you don't like losing, it's so simple... right?

"All" Brown's carries are against a pass prevent D? Untrue.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Manning passed the ball 51 times!

RUN D 2nd and 5 at TB 41 A.Brown left guard to TB 42 for -1 yards (L.David)

1st and 10 at NYG 20 A.Brown up the middle to NYG 43 for 23 yards (L.David).

1st and 10 at NYG 38 (Shotgun) A.Brown up the middle to NYG 43 for 5 yards (G.McCoy, Q.Black).

1st and 10 at TB 35 (Shotgun) A.Brown left guard to TB 23 for 12 yards (M.Barron, Q.Black).

RUN D 1st and 10 at TB 48 A.Brown up the middle to TB 49 for -1 yards (M.Foster).

1st and 10 at NYG 35 (Shotgun) A.Brown right guard to NYG 39 for 4 yards (G.Gibson, M.Bennett).

3rd and 1 at NYG 44 (Shotgun) A.Brown left guard to NYG 46 for 2 yards (R.Miller).

1st and 10 at TB 38 (Shotgun) A.Brown up the middle to TB 30 for 8 yards (L.David, B.McDonald).

2nd and 2 at TB 28 A.Brown left end pushed ob at TB 18 for 10 yards (M.Barron).

1st and 10 at TB 18 (Shotgun) A.Brown left end to TB 19 for -1 yards (M.Foster, M.Barron). TB-M.Foster was injured during the play.

2nd and 5 at TB 5 (Shotgun) A.Brown right tackle to TB 6 for -1 yards (L.David, M.Barron).

1st and 10 at TB 11 (Shotgun) A.Brown up the middle to TB 2 for 9 yards (A.Talib).

RUN D 2nd and 1 at TB 2 A.Brown left guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

**-1 -1 +2 =0 Yards on Run D**