Andre Johnson, best WR in NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

IF you had the chance to see him play last year, I gotta ask if you think he's the best WR.

His stats compare very well with others and to many he has had very little help. Whether it's that you're not a fan of Carr or the Wide Receiver opposite him or a Dayne/Gado/Lundy rushing attack; many have stated that they don't feel like he has any quality help on offense, at times.

I guess another way to look at it may be: could Holt do as well in that offense? Could Chad Johnson? Steve Smith? Owens? etc.

common link for comparison

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

 

[-OZ-]

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I watched a lot of him. He's very good. He's not the best.

I always looked at him as being in the same mold as TO with regard to physical skills, Big, Strong, explosive and very fun to watch once he gets into open field. But still, just a notch below TO in that department. He's still got room to grow, though....so who knows what he could become.

 

[Ned]

steve smith is still the hands down #1wr.

 

[Restricted]

Sportsline's top 50 players in the nfl lists him at #14, above many other very good wr's with only Chad Johnson better.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10225498

 

[Q-Bert]

No.

 

[Sinrman]

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[Despyzer]

Sportsline's top 50 players in the nfl lists him at #14, above many other very good wr's with only Chad Johnson better.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10225498

It looks like a pretty decent list, but how are we expected to take it seriously if it lists Joke-o Cinco as the top WR and one of the top ten players in the NFL?

 

[Phlash]

That list is great, except Adalius Thomas isn't on it...

 

[Dancing Bear]

Bri,

Aside from the fairly obvious here ...

Could you provide us with a better reference for the reason for your question?

Are you asking from an overall NFL WR contribution perspective?

Are you asking from an NFL WR performance perspective?

Are you asking from strictly a Fantasy Football perspective?

From a NFL performance perspective he has significantly dropped his ypc the past two seasons [by over 3 yards]. It seems to me that the Texans have pretty much stunk it up all 4 years; why the dramatic change?

From a Fantasy Football perspective he was well over 2 ppg lower than the top tier of the league last year, and he equaled his 2004 numbers.

There's no evidence here that he is the "best WR". It certainly is not good fortune that he has been on the Texans for 4 years, but you have to deal with the cards you are dealt. You honestly believe he is better than C. Johnson, Harrison, Holt, Smith, Owens, Fitzgerald and Driver. Or even guys like Evans, Walker, Boldin, Ward, Wayne, R. Williams and Burress?

Given the situation in Houston, I'd say he is certainly a lock for a Top 20 WR from a Fantasy Football perspective this year [Footballguys.com has him ranked at 15 this morning], but you would be stretching it to predict him as a Top 10 WR this year, and essentially dreaming if you think he will be the Top WR in the NFL this year.

 

[humphrp]

Bri,From a NFL performance perspective he has significantly dropped his ypc the past two seasons [by over 3 yards]. It seems to me that the Texans have pretty much stunk it up all 4 years; why the dramatic change?

Responding to this question in particular. In previous years the Texans had some semblance of a running game. Additionally Davis was good out of th backfield. This essentially gave defenses an additional receiving option that a safety or linebacker would need to account for. Without a running game or viable receiving option out of the backfield, defences could rover or put an extra guy on Johnson, thus his YPC would decrease. It will be interesting to see how Johnsons YPC looks this year with Green coming out of the backfield. I expect to see it increase back to previous years. Additionally I see Johnson as a very good value here. He is relatively young and hopefully with a good QB. I think that he has very little downside and lots of upside.

 

[Dancing Bear]

humphrp,

Your argument sounds good, however the Texans have had the same rushing performance each of Andre Johnson's years in the NFL [Essentially 1,400 rushing yards].

 

[Bri]

Since when don't you like to discuss things Oz? cmon nowWould Holt do as well on the Texans?Would Chad Johnson? Or does Housh, Palmer, Rudi and others make his life too much easier that you don't think so?

 

[ICON211]

Sportsline's top 50 players in the nfl lists him at #14, above many other very good wr's with only Chad Johnson better.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10225498

This is Pete Prisco's list. I think thats all that needs to be said.

 

[Bri]

Bri,Aside from the fairly obvious here ...

cool fish

Could you provide us with a better reference for the reason for your question?

Are you kidding? I'm at a football forum looking for an opinion on a football player and you need a reason?

Are you asking from an overall NFL WR contribution perspective?Are you asking from an NFL WR performance perspective?

yes and these Qs are pretty much the same thing

Are you asking from strictly a Fantasy Football perspective?

no, but it doesn't matter too much I guess. I'll play though- not necessarily hence the use of the word/abbreviation NFL in the title and not FF and the reference to having seen him play and.....

From a NFL performance perspective he has significantly dropped his ypc the past two seasons [by over 3 yards]. It seems to me that the Texans have pretty much stunk it up all 4 years; why the dramatic change?

Hey an answer cool.YPC has little to do with anything and isn't even the result of a great performance. 12 catches for 100 yards 2 TDs is, for example, not a bad game in anyway. TDs are the results of catches+yards. Since TDs equal 6 points and a possible W....umm yeah YPC doesn't mean diddly. If it did James Jett would be in the Hall with Swervin Mervyn.

From a Fantasy Football perspective he was well over 2 ppg lower than the top tier of the league last year, and he equaled his 2004 numbers.

Only if you count week 17 even though your league doesn't(or most don't)

There's no evidence here that he is the "best WR".

Most catches

It certainly is not good fortune that he has been on the Texans for 4 years, but you have to deal with the cards you are dealt. You honestly believe he is better than C. Johnson, Harrison, Holt, Smith, Owens, Fitzgerald and Driver. Or even guys like Evans, Walker, Boldin, Ward, Wayne, R. Williams and Burress?

I was looking for others opinions, hence the reason for the thread which seems to trouble you. My opinion is he's better than many on your list if not all, yep

Given the situation in Houston, I'd say he is certainly a lock for a Top 20 WR from a Fantasy Football perspective this year [Footballguys.com has him ranked at 15 this morning], but you would be stretching it to predict him as a Top 10 WR this year, and essentially dreaming if you think he will be the Top WR in the NFL this year.

heh, dreaming

 

[Kleck.]

I don't see a fishing trip here, Bri doesn't play that game. Fantasy aside, Andre Johnson would be on a my short list of the top WR's in the game today. Similar to Eric Moulds of the late 90's-early 2K's, I think he is a much better WR than his stats would suggest.

 

[Iceman56751]

I love Andre Johnson and think he could be one of the top WR's in the league for sure.

I am not sure right now there is one WR who dominates over all others outside fo Steve Smith.

But Andre is big, fast, his life is clean and he does not complain - hard to tell he is fromt he "U".

For the record, I think TJ Hoosh is a better WR than Chad and Chad is not even in my top ten.

 

[Bri]

I don't see the fishing trip here. Fantasy aside, Andre Johnson would be on a my short list of the top WR's in the game today. Similar to Eric Moulds of the late 90's-early 2K's, I think he is a much better WR than his stats would suggest.

Me too, obviously I wonder if(thinking of opposite talent and or good TE and trying to remember them playing) any WR faced as many triple teams.Moss after Carter retired?Harrison before Wayne probably as they struggled to get that WR opposite him.Taylor was good or OK so I'm not sure if Rice...maybe.To see a guy repeatedly beat 3 guys coverring him is oh so impressive to see. It's all opinion, not necessarily fact. I just feel like very few WRs have had to work so hard (on a single play)to get their hands on the ball. Not to mention the errant throw coming

 

[John Mamula]

IF you had the chance to see him play last year, I gotta ask if you think he's the best WR.

His stats compare very well with others and to many he has had very little help. Whether it's that you're not a fan of Carr or the Wide Receiver opposite him or a Dayne/Gado/Lundy rushing attack; many have stated that they don't feel like he has any quality help on offense, at times.

I guess another way to look at it may be: could Holt do as well in that offense? Could Chad Johnson? Steve Smith? Owens? etc.

common link for comparison

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

you're all over the map today.

he is in that offense so who cares about hypotheticals.

in make believe land with candy cane lightpoles and lollipop stop signs i am sure andre johnson is the #1 wr.

 

[Otis]

IF you had the chance to see him play last year, I gotta ask if you think he's the best WR.

His stats compare very well with others and to many he has had very little help. Whether it's that you're not a fan of Carr or the Wide Receiver opposite him or a Dayne/Gado/Lundy rushing attack; many have stated that they don't feel like he has any quality help on offense, at times.

I guess another way to look at it may be: could Holt do as well in that offense? Could Chad Johnson? Steve Smith? Owens? etc.

common link for comparison

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

you're all over the map today.

he is in that offense so who cares about hypotheticals.

in make believe land with candy cane lightpoles and lollipop stop signs i am sure andre johnson is the #1 wr.

Mmmmmm.

 

[stbugs]

humphrp,Your argument sounds good, however the Texans have had the same rushing performance each of Andre Johnson's years in the NFL [Essentially 1,400 rushing yards].

You are missing one of his big arguments. Pre-2006, the Texans had DD for AJ's first 3 years and he was also a threat out of the backfield. In 2006, yes the Texans had about 1400 RB rushing yards and in 2005 and 2004, they had about 1500 RB rushing yards.I am comparing AJ's 2004 and 2006 as 2005 was a bad year to look at. AJ was hobbled for most of the first half of the year, even though he only missed 3 games (he got hurt early in 1 or 2). The big difference from 2006 to 2004 was that Texan RBs had 700 yards receiving compared to 400 yards last year. So in 2004, the RBs accounted for 400 more total yards, or 22% more.I think Johnson is a very good WR and could very well be one of the best, if not the best. The rest of their offense, aside from 2004, when Johnson was still only in his second year, has been atrocious.Even in 2006, AJ looked great until Carr started to fade. In his first 7 games, AJ was at the top of my league (PPR) and had 56-669-4TDs, which is about 12 ypr. The next 9 games must have been around 10 ypr to bring him down to 11 for the year.12 ypr probably isn't bad for 8 receptions per game in those 7 games as 8 receptions per game would be 148 for the year or 5 more than Harrison's record. Note that in Harrison's record year, he averaged 12.0 ypr which is lower than his usual 14 ypr.

 

[gregjcross]

humphrp,Your argument sounds good, however the Texans have had the same rushing performance each of Andre Johnson's years in the NFL [Essentially 1,400 rushing yards].

You are missing one of his big arguments. Pre-2006, the Texans had DD for AJ's first 3 years and he was also a threat out of the backfield. In 2006, yes the Texans had about 1400 RB rushing yards and in 2005 and 2004, they had about 1500 RB rushing yards.I am comparing AJ's 2004 and 2006 as 2005 was a bad year to look at. AJ was hobbled for most of the first half of the year, even though he only missed 3 games (he got hurt early in 1 or 2). The big difference from 2006 to 2004 was that Texan RBs had 700 yards receiving compared to 400 yards last year. So in 2004, the RBs accounted for 400 more total yards, or 22% more.I think Johnson is a very good WR and could very well be one of the best, if not the best. The rest of their offense, aside from 2004, when Johnson was still only in his second year, has been atrocious.Even in 2006, AJ looked great until Carr started to fade. In his first 7 games, AJ was at the top of my league (PPR) and had 56-669-4TDs, which is about 12 ypr. The next 9 games must have been around 10 ypr to bring him down to 11 for the year.12 ypr probably isn't bad for 8 receptions per game in those 7 games as 8 receptions per game would be 148 for the year or 5 more than Harrison's record. Note that in Harrison's record year, he averaged 12.0 ypr which is lower than his usual 14 ypr.

All history given, the real question is, could Andre Johnson become Top 5 in the next two seasons.

 

[Banger]

Good wr. Best one? not close.

 

[coolnerd]

As a Texans' fan i would classify Andre johnson as at the top of the very good, but not in the elite as an NFL WR. He has elite times speed, but does not play that type of speed. I will listen to the argument that Houston's offense has been too conservative with poor OL and mediocore at best QBing, but Johnson does not away from DBs that often. He drops a few more passes than you like and is more strong than quick in and out has breaks. Easily the best player on the Texans and would the best WR on all but 8-10 teams, just not elite.

 

[gman8343]

He's top 12 or so with a very high ceiling. Personally I put him behind Roy Williams in terms of talent.

 

[Dancing Bear]

I think you guys are reaching a bit.

Here are the RB rushing and receiving yards since 2003 :

2006 - 1,459 ----- 575 ----- 2,034

2005 - 1,485 ----- 607 ----- 2,092

2004 - 1,535 ----- 729 ----- 2,264

2003 - 1,400 ----- 488 ----- 1,888

Despite the absence [or partial absence] of Williams the RB performance has been fairly similar each year.

Johnson had the following YPC's :

2006 - 11.1

2005 - 10.9

2004 - 14.5

2003 - 14.8

I don't see how you can review this data and say his YPC has dropped because of RB performance ...

 

[Q-Bert]

He's top 12 or so with a very high ceiling. Personally I put him behind Roy Williams in terms of talent.

...and Steve Smithand Torry Holt

and Marvin Harrison

and Terrell Owens

and Larry Fitzgerald

and Anquan Boldin

and Hines Ward

and Lee Evans

and Santana Moss

and Randy Moss

and Chad Johnson

and Javon Walker...

 

[Q-Bert]

IF you had the chance to see him play last year, I gotta ask if you think he's the best WR.

His stats compare very well with others and to many he has had very little help. Whether it's that you're not a fan of Carr or the Wide Receiver opposite him or a Dayne/Gado/Lundy rushing attack; many have stated that they don't feel like he has any quality help on offense, at times.

I guess another way to look at it may be: could Holt do as well in that offense? Could Chad Johnson? Steve Smith? Owens? etc.

common link for comparison

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

I think the key question based on that link is whether or not Mike Furrey is actually the best WR in the NFL. I mean he had five less receptions than Andre Johnson but he had one more touchdown. They had the same yards per catch and Johnson clearly had the benefit of being on a better team.

 

[gman8343]

He's top 12 or so with a very high ceiling. Personally I put him behind Roy Williams in terms of talent.

...and Steve Smithand Torry Holt

and Marvin Harrison

and Terrell Owens

and Larry Fitzgerald

and Anquan Boldin

and Hines Ward

and Lee Evans

and Santana Moss

and Randy Moss

and Chad Johnson

and Javon Walker...

I'd probably take out Santana Moss and possibly Ward at this point in his career, but that's a pretty good list.

 

[Q-Bert]

He's top 12 or so with a very high ceiling. Personally I put him behind Roy Williams in terms of talent.

...and Steve Smithand Torry Holt

and Marvin Harrison

and Terrell Owens

and Larry Fitzgerald

and Anquan Boldin

and Hines Ward

and Lee Evans

and Santana Moss

and Randy Moss

and Chad Johnson

and Javon Walker...

I'd probably take out Santana Moss and possibly Ward at this point in his career, but that's a pretty good list.

They have both put up multiple seasons with numbers that Andre Johnson couldn't even dream of. They've done it with crappy WRs lined up next to them (David Patten for Moss), with terrible quarterbacks (an old Brunell for Moss and Tommy Maddox for Ward), on bad teams (the 6-10 2003 Jets and 6-10 2003 Steelers), and they've done it on teams that emphasize the run (2005 Steelers).I could have added but thought they were borderline:

Reggie Wayne

Plaxico Burress

Marques Colston

Darrell Jackson

TJ Housh

Donald Driver

 

[Buckna]

I think you guys are reaching a bit.Here are the RB rushing and receiving yards since 2003 :2006 - 1,459 ----- 575 ----- 2,0342005 - 1,485 ----- 607 ----- 2,0922004 - 1,535 ----- 729 ----- 2,2642003 - 1,400 ----- 488 ----- 1,888Despite the absence [or partial absence] of Williams the RB performance has been fairly similar each year.Johnson had the following YPC's :2006 - 11.12005 - 10.92004 - 14.52003 - 14.8I don't see how you can review this data and say his YPC has dropped because of RB performance ...

Seems to be more highly correlated with how the team as a whole fell off a cliff in '05 and only started to regroup last year.Anyone who watched the Texans offense this past season knows how conservative a passing offense they were forced to run with Carr. Short dumps, passes in the flat, and short curl routes did wonders for Carr's completion percentage, but not a whole lot for the offense. Out of QB's with over 100 pass attempts last season, Carr ranked 38th out of 45 in yards per pass attempt. It's no surprise that the dominate receiver on the team averaged a lousy avg ypr.

 

[-OZ-]

He's top 12 or so with a very high ceiling. Personally I put him behind Roy Williams in terms of talent.

...and Steve Smithand Torry Holt

and Marvin Harrison

and Terrell Owens

and Larry Fitzgerald

and Anquan Boldin

and Hines Ward

and Lee Evans

and Santana Moss

and Randy Moss

and Chad Johnson

and Javon Walker...

I'd probably take out Santana Moss and possibly Ward at this point in his career, but that's a pretty good list.

They have both put up multiple seasons with numbers that Andre Johnson couldn't even dream of. They've done it with crappy WRs lined up next to them (David Patten for Moss), with terrible quarterbacks (an old Brunell for Moss and Tommy Maddox for Ward), on bad teams (the 6-10 2003 Jets and 6-10 2003 Steelers), and they've done it on teams that emphasize the run (2005 Steelers).I could have added but thought they were borderline:

Reggie Wayne

Plaxico Burress

Marques Colston

Darrell Jackson

TJ Housh

Donald Driver

Calvin JohnsonBraylon Edwards

Mark Clayton

 

[kensat30]

I get the feeling that Andre Johnson is going to win a lot of people championships this season. Just look at what he was able to do with David Carr in the first half of the season last year. Through 8 games, Johnson had 65 catches and over 750 yards with utter garbage throwing him the ball. If you want a comparison of how much Andre Johnson's game should elevate this coming season, just look to Roy Williams' season in Detroit last year.

There should be no doubts that this guy is one of the best WRs in the NFL, quite possibly the best. It won't be known how good he really is though, until we see him this season with a real QB. Assuming that Schaub is in fact the real deal like I think he will be.

 

[Despyzer]

I get the feeling that Andre Johnson is going to win a lot of people championships this season. Just look at what he was able to do with David Carr in the first half of the season last year. Through 8 games, Johnson had 65 catches and over 750 yards with utter garbage throwing him the ball.

We have no guarantee that Schaub is going to be any better than Carr. After all, the guy couldn't even beat out Mike Vick.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Steve Smith / Harrison and Holt are the Best 3 bar none. their work ethics , character and consistency says so.

 

[JimboJim]

I think it would be interesting to take some experts (NFL coaches and scouts) and have them rank in order, the WRs they would want on their team for the upcoming season. That would take out the age/signability factors...

I have a strong feeling that Andre Johnson would crack the top ten.

 

[ookook]

Okay, I'll play.

If I got to sign a WR to a multiyear (4+) contract on my favorite team, who would I prefer to Johnson? He does quite well actually...tied for 5th.

1. Steve Smith

2. Roy Williams

3. Anquan Boldin

4. Larry Fitzgerald

5.5 Lee Evans (tied with AJ)

5.5 Andre Johnson (tied with Evans)

6 Reggie Wayne

7 Javon Wlaker

Holt...a little old for 4+ year contract, but otherwise he is up there.

C. Johnson is just a little much to handle, IMHO.

J. Walker has some inury and decision making issues, but another good season at DEN might raise him.

 

[Jayrod]

Okay, I'll play.If I got to sign a WR to a multiyear (4+) contract on my favorite team, who would I prefer to Johnson? He does quite well actually...tied for 5th.1. Steve Smith2. Roy Williams3. Anquan Boldin4. Larry Fitzgerald5.5 Lee Evans (tied with AJ)5.5 Andre Johnson (tied with Evans)6 Reggie Wayne7 Javon WlakerHolt...a little old for 4+ year contract, but otherwise he is up there.C. Johnson is just a little much to handle, IMHO. J. Walker has some inury and decision making issues, but another good season at DEN might raise him.

In the football world, Johnson is very good. He has been in a very tough situation and has still produced. Very few of the "elite" receivers can say that. I think the only reciever that is clearly a better football player than him is Steve Smith. I think he is just behind Roy Williams & Fitzgerald as the #4...ahead of Boldin and Evans, but he is definitely in the conversation.Now fantasywise......it's a whole different story.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

A. Johnson is arguably one of the top 10 WR's in the leauge. He is still young and has a 100 reception year to his name in an awful offense. He also has all the tools to move into tier 1.

Right now this is how I see it. The guys in tier 1 have been consitently great for at least 3 years and/or more. They have been consistent and don't show any sign of not continuing to be great (except maybe Moss). I have left R. Smith off this list as he does not have a chance to be in tier 1 ever again.

Tier 1

T. Holt

T. Owens

M. Harrison

Old R. Moss

A. Boldin

C. Johnson

S. Smith

Wayne

Driver

Talent as good as these elite guys but not quite there yet.

Tier 2

A. Johnson

Fitz

Walker

Evans

R. Williams

These guys are good, Except for M. Colston (who has to prove he wasn't a one year wonder) I can't ever see any of these guys jumping up into the elite of NFL WR's due to age and talent levels and what they have already done. These guys will end their careers as good WR's but will never be known as elite WR's.

Tier 3

Burress

S. Moss

D. Jax

Housh

Colston

Ward

Coles

 

[Will]

I'll play along in the hypothetical world for a minute cuz it's fun.

I would love to see AJ play in the Eagles offense for a year with a healthy McNabb. I think he could be the #1 WR in the league without a doubt. Or in GB with Favre forcing him 15 balls a game? or several other offenses for that matter, it's all speculation, but I believe he'd be fantastic.

The guy is a physical freak and has put up some good numbers in a really, really crappy offense, although they did have to pass a lot because they were behind in a lot of games...

But the fact is, he plays for Houston. I still think he's a top 10 WR in Houston, and in a dynasty league I have him in my top 5. I take him over Smith. You will need to draft Smith in the 2nd round, AJ can be had late third or even fourth round. So you can take 2 RBs, and then add AJ as your #1, or even #2 WR, or you can take Smith and have KJ, or Caddy as your #2 RB. No brainer to me, AJ is incredible value rigth now, and I believe he gets better, simply because he's maturing and entering his prime. If Schaub and the Houston offense get it figured out, AJ could easily be discussed in the group of elite WRs at the top of the league very soon IMO. I don't think you'll be able to pick up AJ this late next year.

 

[Buckna]

Okay, I'll play.If I got to sign a WR to a multiyear (4+) contract on my favorite team, who would I prefer to Johnson? He does quite well actually...tied for 5th.1. Steve Smith2. Roy Williams3. Anquan Boldin4. Larry Fitzgerald5.5 Lee Evans (tied with AJ)5.5 Andre Johnson (tied with Evans)6 Reggie Wayne7 Javon WlakerHolt...a little old for 4+ year contract, but otherwise he is up there.C. Johnson is just a little much to handle, IMHO. J. Walker has some inury and decision making issues, but another good season at DEN might raise him.

In the football world, Johnson is very good. He has been in a very tough situation and has still produced. Very few of the "elite" receivers can say that. I think the only reciever that is clearly a better football player than him is Steve Smith. I think he is just behind Roy Williams & Fitzgerald as the #4...ahead of Boldin and Evans, but he is definitely in the conversation.Now fantasywise......it's a whole different story.

Beat me to it. Some of the players listed in the posts with greater "talent" makes me think that some people are blinded into thinking greater fantasy success = greater talent.Football is a team sport and WR stats seem the most dependent of all positions on the state of the rest of the team (QB, offensive scheme, Oline, dominant defenses are all major factors affecting a WR's stats.) It'd be neat to see pre-draft grades, 40 times etc. for a bunch of the top WR's.

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

Chad Johnson is the best WR in the NFL right now. He's set records, put up the numbers and led the AFC in yards the last 4 years.

 

[nygiants56]

steve smith is still the hands down #1wr, every other year.

fixed.103 catches with David Carr throwing the ball is AMAZING!!

he's easily the MOST underrated WR in the game, thats for dam sure..he has as much talent as T.O. , if not MORE, but he hasn't had the luxury of playing with an NFL MVP such as McNabb, or a pro bowl QB like Garcia or a Hall of Famer like Steve Young, like T.O. had when he was in SF..

you put AJ on a team with Favre, Manning, Brady, Steve Young, and he'd be `lights out` good..

 

[LBH]

I believe in his chances to be a top 5 wr this year. I traded Roy Williams for him in a ppr redraft league. It really comes down to if and how big of an improvement there is from Carr to Schaub. I agree that the presence of Green coming out of the backfield should help too. I think the most underated guy on the team could be Daniels at TE

 

[Sleeper 43]

Chad Johnson is the best WR in the NFL right now. He's set records, put up the numbers and led the AFC in yards the last 4 years.

He sure as hell could have been a little more consistent last year. I'd almost rather have TJ.Chad wants to be where Steve Smith is.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I can't believe this is even a discussion, not even debatable!!!

To be the best you have to be consistant, HE IS NOT!!!!!!

nuff said

 

[Sleeper 43]

Okay, I'll play.If I got to sign a WR to a multiyear (4+) contract on my favorite team, who would I prefer to Johnson? He does quite well actually...tied for 5th.1. Steve Smith2. Roy Williams3. Anquan Boldin4. Larry Fitzgerald5.5 Lee Evans (tied with AJ)5.5 Andre Johnson (tied with Evans)6 Reggie Wayne7 Javon WlakerHolt...a little old for 4+ year contract, but otherwise he is up there.C. Johnson is just a little much to handle, IMHO. J. Walker has some inury and decision making issues, but another good season at DEN might raise him.

When did the we decide to include the 4+ year contract variable ?

 

[Bri]

Good wr. Best one? not close.

why?can ya give some more here please.

 

[Bri]

Repeat a Q that's been sorta mashed in with other Qs to see what opinions come of it-

How do you qualify being the "only" target vs a guy like Holt who has a very good(older now but...) WR opposite him? Johnson+ Housh?

Does Wayne or Holt get dropped some as if having it "easy"? Where's that fit in for you when considerring best WR, if at all?

 

[Bri]

A. Johnson is arguably one of the top 10 WR's in the leauge. He is still young and has a 100 reception year to his name in an awful offense. He also has all the tools to move into tier 1.

Right now this is how I see it. The guys in tier 1 have been consitently great for at least 3 years and/or more. They have been consistent and don't show any sign of not continuing to be great (except maybe Moss). I have left R. Smith off this list as he does not have a chance to be in tier 1 ever again.

Tier 1

T. Holt

T. Owens

M. Harrison

Old R. Moss

I don't think "old Moss" is fair if we're talking about now but...who cares

A. Boldin

C. Johnson

S. Smith

Wayne

Driver

These last two, Wayne and Driver. Can you give some more as to why you think they are better than the tier 2?

Talent as good as these elite guys but not quite there yet.

Tier 2

A. Johnson

Fitz

Walker

Evans

R. Williams