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Andrew Garda (NoFBinLA) Two Round Mock (1 Viewer)
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Nice work here. I like the reasoning behind the picks; I like the fact that you've gone off the beaten path and backed things up with logical arguments; the hardest one to fathom is Cook to the Eagles with their second pick in the first round, but all in all an impressive mock
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Footballguy
Very solid mock.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Great mock.
My only quibble as a Steelers fan is the Johnson pick in round 2. While he'd be solid value there, and I agree behind the reasoning given for the pick (aging DL starters, depth needed) - I don't see Johnson as the answer there unless you think he can put on 20 pounds and become a run stopper. Johnson is a guy I feel projects better to OLB than DE in a 3-4 and with Harrison re-upped for 6 years and Woodley emerging as an All-Pro, they're set at the OLB spot. With last year's 3rd rounder spent on another rush backer in Bruce Davis, I don't see this being a priority position on D1 at all. Gilbert and Moala are two guys I could see them drafting at #64 for DL, but neither was available in this mock - given the way the pieces fell, I think they'd go CB in round 2 in this scenario.
My only quibble as a Steelers fan is the Johnson pick in round 2. While he'd be solid value there, and I agree behind the reasoning given for the pick (aging DL starters, depth needed) - I don't see Johnson as the answer there unless you think he can put on 20 pounds and become a run stopper. Johnson is a guy I feel projects better to OLB than DE in a 3-4 and with Harrison re-upped for 6 years and Woodley emerging as an All-Pro, they're set at the OLB spot. With last year's 3rd rounder spent on another rush backer in Bruce Davis, I don't see this being a priority position on D1 at all. Gilbert and Moala are two guys I could see them drafting at #64 for DL, but neither was available in this mock - given the way the pieces fell, I think they'd go CB in round 2 in this scenario.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Interesting from a Denver perspective.
I hope Sanchez is off the board by the time they get a chance to pick. The 12 spot is the hardest to get a read on right now IMO. I'm not sure how Ziggy Hood would fit, I guess as a DE in the 3-4 and a DT in the 4-3. I think Denver would be better off taking Connor Barwin at 18. I'm glad to see him going in the top 20 in this mock. He seems like a guy in the Mike Vrabel mold who is smart enough and athletic enough to be a consistent producer. I really like Patrick Chung in the 2nd.
I hope Sanchez is off the board by the time they get a chance to pick. The 12 spot is the hardest to get a read on right now IMO. I'm not sure how Ziggy Hood would fit, I guess as a DE in the 3-4 and a DT in the 4-3. I think Denver would be better off taking Connor Barwin at 18. I'm glad to see him going in the top 20 in this mock. He seems like a guy in the Mike Vrabel mold who is smart enough and athletic enough to be a consistent producer. I really like Patrick Chung in the 2nd.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
I like it a lot.
He says "Maualuga could become a key piece of the offense going forward"
should say defense, not offense
He says "Maualuga could become a key piece of the offense going forward"
should say defense, not offense
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with all of this.Andrew nailed the two most glaring need areas in OL and DL for Pittsburgh, but I don't think that Johnson projects anywhere but OLB in a 3-4. While Harrison is already over 30(doubtful he'll see the end of that contract he signed) and the reserves, outside of Timmons, for both OLB spots aren't exactly world beaters(I think the team is slightly disappointed with Davis, actually) they're in no position to need to burn a day one pick on a reserve pass rusher. I'm actually not convinced that Timmons won't be shifted outside in a few years if Harrison's play were to fall off steeply. He has looked good both inside and out , plus it should be easier to find another Larry Foote to play inside than it would be to find another good pass rusher.I'd have to give a closer look to see who was available, but a CB or another OL would make more sense in this scenario. Johnson would certainly be value for them at #64, no question about that. I'm just not sure if he's a great fit for their current(or even relative near-term) needs.Hell, looking over this again, I could see Pittsburgh going "Jenkins is too good to be allowed to get past us" in the first and grabbing the CB there. That would slide Mack down to another team and, potentially, let the Steelers have a shot at Wood/Unger(hopefully Wood) in round 2.
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Oh I forgot to say I am converting him to running back.I like it a lot.He says "Maualuga could become a key piece of the offense going forward"should say defense, not offense
Nice catch thanks.And thanks for the input. Steelers at the end of 2 was a pain and I went back and forth a ton. Same with the Pats pick someone said they liked Jenkins vs Sintim. I just felt the need at lb is pretty huge - although I can see the attraction of going with Jenkins, who fell a little further down the board than expected.I will be in and out of the thread all day - I have to run right now, but will also address any other ideas/thoughts/issues throughout the day, inclduing talking more about Connor Barwin as requested.
Nicely done, Andrew.
ThanksI will say that it seems as if a ton of 3-4 teams (including my Jets) are looking hard at Peria Jerry (I keep wanting to call him Jerry Perry) and would not at all be shocked to see him go to a team which runs a 3-4 and in the 1st round.5Rings said:
People are liking something about him clearly and it's just one of those underlying thigns I dug up while researching what is being written.
As was asked - why I like Connor Barwin -
I really like his versatility - not that I believe anyone will ever line him up as a tight end, but he has that athleticism and could be used in multiple ways by the Lions (or anyone who grabs him). He has more to learn and is a bit raw, but is so competitive and hard working that I don't think that will hold him back long. He'll be able to put pressure on the QB, and is hell on wheels when pursuing a ball carrier. He's not yet great against the run, but again, I think he could easily develop into a good run stopper as well.
While he does that, he can contribute on special teams as well, somethign I think is always a big plus for any team, especially the Lions who will need to work on field position (both getting and giving up) going forward.
A bit of a project, but a guy who could become a leader on the defense and for a defense that really lacks any real personality and to me lacks a real top dog, that could be huge down the road.
-- On a final note, if you'd like further insight into my Detroit Lion #1 pick of OT Jason Smith, you can check in here. Should be up on BleacherReport.com at some point tonight as well.
I could definitely see that. Jenkins was a slide that sort of happened - I kept feeling that other team needs were morei important for most of the teams I looked at him for. I didn't really think too hard about Jenkins for the Stillers, as I thought Mack was too good a fit, but I could certainly see it happening. I mean you won the Super bowl - you can afford a 'he's too good to pass'. But honestly, I would prefer to see an oline pick there.5-ish Finkle said:
yeah Denver is an interesting team in the 12 spot and they could trade out as well. (The biggest mystery is still Seattle IMO). I liked the way their picks came out, though the Sanchez one I feel is least likeliest to happen. I have a feelign someoen will jump into the ten and grab him.But trades make my head hurt, so.... if he's there, I think they would grab him if they didn't trade out.Buffaloes said:
Domination
Footballguy
I like the mock, as it adds a different perspective to some of the picks. My only problem, is the same as I have with alot of mock. I think that there are too many LBs going in the 1st rd. After the elite LBs, they always seem to fall in the draft.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Reid has drafted one offensive skill player in the first since 2000 (and that was FredEx), and now he's going to take two this year? I highly doubt it. At least one if not two of those picks will go toward either side of the line. That is his drafting MO.
Also, I don't think both QBs fall that far. Even if the teams in those slots don't want a QB, someone will move up. (Though I know trades weren't considered in this mock.)
Otherwise, a pretty solid mock. A few reaches like Sintim, but that always seems to happen on actual draft day.
Also, I don't think both QBs fall that far. Even if the teams in those slots don't want a QB, someone will move up. (Though I know trades weren't considered in this mock.)
Otherwise, a pretty solid mock. A few reaches like Sintim, but that always seems to happen on actual draft day.
I could see that. And I could see some more CBs maybe sneaking in in their stead. I think that there are enough solid LBs though that you could see a fair amount of them this year and I think a bunch of teams could use the help. That's kinda why the corners slid here to begin with. Just more need of the lbs.Of course the way the Draft goes, it will be a ton of te's and kickers just to give us headaches.
Good point with Reid, very good point. Also, I agree that the QBs will probably not move that far - there will be a trade. But again, trades make my head ache, so....I think the seahawks, Jags and 49ers are good spots to look for trades though it may be hard to see someone leap into a top 5 spot unless it;'s from just a few slots back.
Balance
Footballguy
see post #15
tombonneau
Footballguy
Holy Moses. You want to hear about Connor Barwin, go to www.patsfans.com and check out the draft forum. All you need to do is mention his name once and a thread explodes to 10 pages. Some people want to marry him, some want to spit in his face. For whatever reason, he's just One of Those Guys.
puckalicious
Footballguy
As a Lions fan, I can only dream that the first 3 picks go down w/o any QB taken. Here's to hoping this mock is accurate!
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No Beatty in 2 rounds?
Balance
Footballguy
And somehow he is the only guy in the first round of this mock I don't know much about.Seems he usually ends up in the second round and as such, less analysis.Holy Moses. You want to hear about Connor Barwin, go to www.patsfans.com and check out the draft forum. All you need to do is mention his name once and a thread explodes to 10 pages. Some people want to marry him, some want to spit in his face. For whatever reason, he's just One of Those Guys.
In case you still haven't seen it - here is my answer -Balance said:And somehow he is the only guy in the first round of this mock I don't know much about.Seems he usually ends up in the second round and as such, less analysis.tombonneau said:Holy Moses. You want to hear about Connor Barwin, go to www.patsfans.com and check out the draft forum. All you need to do is mention his name once and a thread explodes to 10 pages. Some people want to marry him, some want to spit in his face. For whatever reason, he's just One of Those Guys.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
51. Dallas - Jarron Gilbert, DT, San Jose State
With Tank Johnson gone, they need a playmaking tackle to fill in. With Chris Canty in New York, they need a defensive end. Gilbert can do either and penetrate into the backfield to make a mess of plays from either spot.
Ummm yeah.
Tank was nothing more then a roll player and ocassional fill in for a stud (Ratliffe) at NT. He also saw the odd look in a 4-3 look when it was short yardage to go. This pick doesn't make much sense from a need (Isn't Gilbert a 4-3 DT?) or fit point of view. I wish I could ask him what his thinking behind this pick is especially with Brace still on the board? Rashad Johnson should have also got serious consideration.
No Duke Robinson in the first 2 rounds?
With Tank Johnson gone, they need a playmaking tackle to fill in. With Chris Canty in New York, they need a defensive end. Gilbert can do either and penetrate into the backfield to make a mess of plays from either spot.
Ummm yeah.
Tank was nothing more then a roll player and ocassional fill in for a stud (Ratliffe) at NT. He also saw the odd look in a 4-3 look when it was short yardage to go. This pick doesn't make much sense from a need (Isn't Gilbert a 4-3 DT?) or fit point of view. I wish I could ask him what his thinking behind this pick is especially with Brace still on the board? Rashad Johnson should have also got serious consideration.
No Duke Robinson in the first 2 rounds?
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Agree, he's definitely going in first 2.Some teams are really drooling over him, Falcons recently.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Love louis murphy to the dolphins, and their other 2 picks as well. The only issue is I do not see him as an upgrade right now (no way he jumps Camarillo or Bess this year). Love the pick, but I am not sure if he "fits" the way a bey or nicks does (but I think he is a good player).
If Jenkins is there, I do not see how miami passes on him for Laurentis. While Akin was okay, I see Miami building their DL and OLB spots before they look inside, unless they get the corner they need at that pick who can start in 2010.
Miami's area of needs (in order of how I thin parcells and co see it):
1) DT (he always looks here first)
2) Pass rush (DE/OLB)
3) Corner
4) WR (I see 3 & 4 interchangable based on athlete)
5) ILB
(3/4 and 5, if you are also a special teams person, you move up the list)
If Jenkins is there, I do not see how miami passes on him for Laurentis. While Akin was okay, I see Miami building their DL and OLB spots before they look inside, unless they get the corner they need at that pick who can start in 2010.
Miami's area of needs (in order of how I thin parcells and co see it):
1) DT (he always looks here first)
2) Pass rush (DE/OLB)
3) Corner
4) WR (I see 3 & 4 interchangable based on athlete)
5) ILB
(3/4 and 5, if you are also a special teams person, you move up the list)
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't want to speak for Andrew, but personally I think Gilbert's best overall fit is as a 5 technique. I think he'd be a great replacement for Canty as a 3-4 end - he's not a great pass rusher, but wouldn't need to be. He's long as hell, a terrific athlete, and he can wrap up. I think he'd be a great 3-4 end and I hope somehow Pittsburgh gets him to play opposite (or as the heir apparent to) Aaron Smith.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Thanks, my reading comprehension must have been down when I read the original quote about moving him to DE. I just got hung up on the DT next to his name and was wondering why him over Brace. Makes more sense, alhough I still don't love the pick.
