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Andrew Walter = Drew Bledsoe (1 Viewer)
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Young 8
Footballguy
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delusional
Footballguy
You mean he is stuck behind a horrendous line and gets the blame for the teams lack of offense?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Despyzer
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4 Pro Bowls (including one of the best sophomore years any QB has ever had), well over 44,000 yards passing (including eight years over 3,000 and a top ten career mark), about 50 more TDs than INTs, top 5 all-time in completions, and a winning record in the playoffs.Way to know your stuff, buddy.
Avery
Footballguy
7th all-time in passing yards5th all-time in pass attempts
5th all-time in pass completions
Yup.
Big time loser.
Walter and Bledsoe couldnt complete passes behind the f'n Berlin wall. They are atrociously slow and it doesnt matter who they are throwing behind, they both hold the ball WAY too long and have ZERO escapability. At least when Bledsoe was younger he could sidestep the rush and avoid it, Walter just looks like he's got no hope out there
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Did pretty good in the 2001 playoffs when Brady was dinged up, no? Without Bledsoe, the Pats don't win the SB.rings ??performances under pressure ??Avery said:7th all-time in passing yards5th all-time in pass attemptsYoung 8 said:
5th all-time in pass completions
Yup.
Big time loser.
redman
Footballguy
Walter would have to apologize to no one if he ended up with a career like Bledsoe's, especially given where he was drafted. I have a feeling he could be pretty good if he gets the right support around him. He also reminds me of Jeff George a little bit too in terms of his look in the pocket and the flatter trajectory ball he throws.
It's hard to evaluate him in such a putrid offense. I'll give him a mulligan on this year.
Despyzer
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How old are you? Too young to remember Bledsoe leading the Patriots to the '97 Super Bowl? Did you fail to read where I mentioned that he has a winning record in the playoffs?Let this one go. You are only making yourself look worse.
lions327
Footballguy
Not to mention he is only in his 2nd year and has started a grand total of 6 games. People seem to always forget a QB's lack of experience, and expect them to play like a veteran. He is a young QB playing behind a terrible line and obviously has no confidence at all right now. It also doesn't help that Moss, dropped passes and all, is the only real weapon he has.Santa Fe Trail
Footballguy
Time for the Walter's corner man to throw in the towel. I'm not necessarily a fan but I'm feeling sorry for the guy. That's a situation that could negatively impact any young starter...Leinart, Brady Quinn, whomever. Young QBs don't need experience taking nine sacks a game. Half a season of beatings is enough. If you want him to be your future starter, save his psyche until the OL improves from abysmal to at least marginally below average. If he's not, what's it matter if Tui takes his turn to run around and get sacked for a few weeks.
zamboni
Footballguy
I would tend to agree. He doesn't strike me as a QB that has the ever-unquantifiable "it", but to be fair, no QB would probably succeed on this team.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'm a Patriots fan. I have nothing but the utmost respect and gratitude for what an incredible player Bledsoe was while here, and furthermore, what a class act he was when he was benched by Brady. He is not a "loser", and Adrew Walter should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Drew Bledsoe.ask to Patriots & Cowboys fansDespyzer said:
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Way to overreact.
It's his first year playing and he's playing with a horrible line in front of him and has to deal with poor coaching
How many very good, let alone Hall of famers, looked lost in their first year under center, without the above issues?
It's his first year playing and he's playing with a horrible line in front of him and has to deal with poor coaching
How many very good, let alone Hall of famers, looked lost in their first year under center, without the above issues?
redman
Footballguy
I respect Bledsoe for having a long productive career, but let's not get too carried away with how great he is. Chris Chandler led a team to a Super Bowl too, as did Jeff Hostetler, Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer, and Kerry Collins. While certainly commendable, I hardly think that that automatically introduces you into the rarified air of "greatness". Here are Bledsoe's postseason numbers. Yes, he may have a winning record (4-3), but you wouldn't know it from his own personal performances. In fact, he's only thrown more TD's than INT's in two out of five post-season games. This really is to say that it's hard to award any one player credit for a "win" in what is very much a team sport.
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Postseason dataPlease read this fine print before using this data or sending questions or corrections. Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD---------------------+--------------------------+----------------- 1994 cle L,13-20 | 21 50 235 1 3 | 2 2 0 1996 pit W,28-3 | 14 24 164 1 2 | 1 -1 0 1996 jax W,20-6 | 20 33 178 0 1 | 1 4 0*1996 gnb L,21-35 | 25 48 253 2 4 | 1 1 0 1997 mia W,17-3 | 16 32 139 1 0 | 2 4 0 1997 pit L,6-7 | 23 44 264 0 2 | 2 -4 0 2001 pit W,24-17 | 10 21 102 1 0 | 4 1 0---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------TOTAL | 129 252 1335 6 12 | 13 7 0Despyzer
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Link to where I said anything about greatness? I was simply combatting the ridiculous notion that he was a loser. He has put up some of the best numbers in the game, has won a lot of games in both the regular and post seasons. How does that qualify him as a loser?
redman
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
You got into this conversation late, hoss. My comments were in reference to this:Link to where I called him a "loser"?
Good, then we're in agreement.
You were the one who started putting words in people's mouths while quoting my post.Young 8 said:
redman
Footballguy
And you did the same with my post. Have another cup of coffee, Nancy.You got into this conversation late, hoss. My comments were in reference to this:Link to where I called him a "loser"?
Good, then we're in agreement.You were the one who started putting words in people's mouths while quoting my post.Young 8 said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Huh? I was disputing the argument that he was a loser. You came in and argued that I was marking him for greatness. I replied that you were mistaken.
Whatever. If you'd care to continue this in PMs, feel free, but we don't need to piss in this thread any longer.
cstu
Footballguy
Bledsoe is one of my favorite players so it's not like I think Walter will be a bad player. I actually think he can get a decent career if he gets some protection - like Bledsoe he's a statue and needs time to throw the ball. Unfortunately I think the game has because very difficult for QB's like Bledsoe who need a lot of time since defenses are too good at exploiting weaknesses in protection.
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Footballguy
Gotta love the Raiderfans acting like Walters was the second coming.Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
I love this kids arm.. Yet after watching the game I felt he has a LOT of learning to do.. First of all when he drops back all he does is look for his primary receiver. Waits to see if he's open if not gets sacked. Second and this is what worries me the most. When pressure was around him he failed to step out of the pocket to give him more time.. THere were a number of times where the OL pushed the DE's around and behind him. If he only stepped up and to the left or right he could have given himself more time. This tells me he has a long way to go still.. I do like long term if he learns to move some.
This is sort of on subject, but in my long years of watching NFL on TV, I've never seen anything like last night.
Joe Thiesman(sp?) talked about this btw....
The body language of the Raiders(especially Andrew Walter). It was just like "I don't care, I give up, give me the gun and I'll end it right now" looking.
Walters was really showing his a last night too.
If I was the owner and saw that crap last night I would have run them all.
Heck even Shell looked liked his dog died. This team should have come into this game will all kinds of positive mind. They won 2 in a row and 1 against the defending champs.
If Walters wants to be mentioned with someone like Bledsoe his attitude has got to change.
Something is desparately wrong in Oakland and it goes beyond play calling.
Walters doesn't have a chance if they don't turn that attitude around.
Joe Thiesman(sp?) talked about this btw....
The body language of the Raiders(especially Andrew Walter). It was just like "I don't care, I give up, give me the gun and I'll end it right now" looking.
Walters was really showing his a last night too.
If I was the owner and saw that crap last night I would have run them all.
Heck even Shell looked liked his dog died. This team should have come into this game will all kinds of positive mind. They won 2 in a row and 1 against the defending champs.
If Walters wants to be mentioned with someone like Bledsoe his attitude has got to change.
Something is desparately wrong in Oakland and it goes beyond play calling.
Walters doesn't have a chance if they don't turn that attitude around.
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