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People compare him to Pennington and that is probably the most accurate NFL comparison off the top of my head as well. He does have better arm strength than Pennington ever did IMO though. He's an accurate passer who goes through his reads well and avoids mistakes. Good footwork and moves pretty well in the pocket (we'll see how that goes in the NFL). I like Dalton and he is good at everything but not great at anything it seems.
John Gruden said his Football IQ was one of his strengths and of the 2011 rookie QBs he was the most NFL ready.
I only agree with half of this - or all of it if Gruden was just talking about his mentality and acumen. In actual playing terms, no, he's really not the most Pro Ready QB, not from what I saw on film. But hey - Gruden is a 'QB Guru'....John Gruden said his Football IQ was one of his strengths and of the 2011 rookie QBs he was the most NFL ready.
I think he absolutely gets those numbers - 3500/18.
The kid is smart. Everyone is learning a new offense. If Palmer were there it'd be the same for him. Might as well have him learn on the job
. It was a different situation with Palmer. You had a guy in Kitna who was more of a solid veteran and it was better at that time for Carson to learn from the guy that already had been in the system. I loved the one play on like a 3rd-and-9 from their own 21 where Dalton looked at the defensive alignment, calmly changed the play and then promptly hit Caldwell with a quick pass for 10 yards (amazing! a play that went beyond the yardage needed - this never happened with Palmer and Brat!). I think his tools are good enough. I think his mind and poise are 1st class.-QG
I think he absolutely doesn't touch those numbers. Only 5 rookie QBs have ever thrown for over 3000 passing yards and 3 over 3500 yards: Warren Moon (3338 yds), Matt Ryan (3440 yds), Sam Bradford (3512 yds), Jim Kelly (3593 yds), Peyton Manning (3739 yds). Not only that, but only 12 QBs threw for 3500+ yards in the whole league. I think a more reasonable expectation is somewhere between 2500-2900 yds.
Most people in this thread have been pretty level headed in saying grab him in dynasty leagues as he'll be a future fantasy asset (but not a stud). I don't see any reason to think he's going to flop after a little over a month of practice.'ConnSKINS26 said:
Glad you posted this. I snagged him off the wire in my Keeper League. I felt good about it but it's always good to have a 2nd opinion.I'll be watching this thread to see other's opinions as well.I have seen people commenting on his weak arm, though. I thought I remember reading he had good arm strength. Not great, but good.I'll go check on this now. My memory is selective at times.*Edit*Went and checked. Most have him listed at having "average" to "good" arm strength. No "poor" or "great" that I saw.Dynasty and deep keeper I'd say grab him. He's built for this offense and things are only gonna get better with the weapons he has.Harder to recommend for redrafts b/c if he struggles you gotta figure they'll spell him with Gradkowski. They are also going to run a ton with Benson to keep the pressure off of him, hopefully.The Bengals do have a favorable schedule however:Opponents (in no particular order and without venue)ittsburgh (2), Baltimore (2), Indianapolis - that's in for above .500 teamsCleveland (2), Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston, Denver, Buffalo, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, St. LouisOne last wrinkle is that he's likely to be the first rookie QB to start for the Bengals on opening day since Greg Cook. If only he could have that kind of rookie year (minus the shoulder injury).-QG
For those who are into the numerology. Dalton was one of just 4 QBs that met the 26/27/60 criteria for predicting QB success (26+ on wonderlic, 27+ starts, 60%+ completion percentage). The others were Gabbert, Ponder, and Greg McElroy of the Jets.-QGGlad you posted this. I snagged him off the wire in my Keeper League. I felt good about it but it's always good to have a 2nd opinion.I'll be watching this thread to see other's opinions as well.I have seen people commenting on his weak arm, though. I thought I remember reading he had good arm strength. Not great, but good.I'll go check on this now. My memory is selective at times.*Edit*Went and checked. Most have him listed at having "average" to "good" arm strength. No "poor" or "great" that I saw.Dynasty and deep keeper I'd say grab him. He's built for this offense and things are only gonna get better with the weapons he has.Harder to recommend for redrafts b/c if he struggles you gotta figure they'll spell him with Gradkowski. They are also going to run a ton with Benson to keep the pressure off of him, hopefully.The Bengals do have a favorable schedule however:Opponents (in no particular order and without venue)
I believe Stanzi was another one also.For those who are into the numerology. Dalton was one of just 4 QBs that met the 26/27/60 criteria for predicting QB success (26+ on wonderlic, 27+ starts, 60%+ completion percentage). The others were Gabbert, Ponder, and Greg McElroy of the Jets.-QGGlad you posted this. I snagged him off the wire in my Keeper League. I felt good about it but it's always good to have a 2nd opinion.I'll be watching this thread to see other's opinions as well.I have seen people commenting on his weak arm, though. I thought I remember reading he had good arm strength. Not great, but good.I'll go check on this now. My memory is selective at times.*Edit*Went and checked. Most have him listed at having "average" to "good" arm strength. No "poor" or "great" that I saw.Dynasty and deep keeper I'd say grab him. He's built for this offense and things are only gonna get better with the weapons he has.Harder to recommend for redrafts b/c if he struggles you gotta figure they'll spell him with Gradkowski. They are also going to run a ton with Benson to keep the pressure off of him, hopefully.The Bengals do have a favorable schedule however:Opponents (in no particular order and without venue)
Seems like you saw him live. Great insight.I'm trying to cut back on my FF time this year but I'm gonna make it a point to watch every single snap he takes. I've got him in a keeper league and if you're worried about his arm strenght then it worries me, as well.Let me know if your view changes on him later in the season.
Definitely will. LOVED him before the Senior Bowl practices. was really surprised by how his throws looked on the sideline. Pulling for him - good kid, very nice guy when I chatted with him.Seems like you saw him live. Great insight.I'm trying to cut back on my FF time this year but I'm gonna make it a point to watch every single snap he takes. I've got him in a keeper league and if you're worried about his arm strenght then it worries me, as well.Let me know if your view changes on him later in the season.
Ok, I'll concede the yards, it was probably a bit of a reach. But I still expect 3,000 yards and I'll stay with 18 TDs.
Agreed. He looks poised. Several dropped passes. His accuracy looks solid. I liked him in college and would love to see him do well.
Because Brown has an axe to grind.
To answer the OP's orginal question, "Anything to see here?", the answer is "Yes".He'll pass your 18TD projection (at 12 so far) but the yards might be a bit short, I think. Some good D's coming up in the schedule.I'm glad I held on to him. He's turned into a nice Bye Week QB. And being in a keeper league he's turned into more than just a curiosity. I'm really liking what I'm seeing so far. Any other input out there on this guy?
Love the way he makes adjustments at the line. He's fearless. My favorite play in last week's game was one where he made a play change at the line. The ball is hiked and a Titan is coming in unblocked from Dalton's right. Dalton doesn't seem to be aware until he turns at just the right moment and throws a beauty of a screen to Benson (it was credited as a run as I guess it was a backward pass) who chugs up the sideline for like 20 yards. Awesome play.What's also is amazing is how he's been able to engineer comebacks in these games. Very un-rookie like. Real cool customer.-QG
