Andy D's alias does a one-liner, two round mock draft. (1 Viewer)

[Honda]

Speaking of "Honda"...a complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns!

Okay. Who?

We run a 3-4 and have two excellent tackles. Another backup, albeit a good one, makes no sense. We also have added Ben Watson, presumably as a starter, pushing the new guy (what's his name, dammit?) back to #2 and Royal back to #3. Very unlikely to see a TE taken in this draft, let alone in round 2.The team needs help at QB, in the secondary, on the right side of the O-line, at DE, and could use a burner at WR. It looks as though the only QB they want will go #1. If the Rams pass on Bradford, look for the Browns to try to move up to get him. Otherwise, they might hold for Berry. If Berry is gone, trading down is most likely. THEY WILL NOT DRAFT TEBOW IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS. I expect to see them trade down a few (maybe many) spots and select a db or de in the first. I also expect to see them go OG/OT in round 2 and QB-project in the third.

I'm gonna guess that you play a lot of Madden.Trade this, trade that. Not gonna happen.And what's this love affair people have with Ben Watson?And you said twice that they'll take a DE in the first, which is exactly what I have them taking.

 

[daveR]

Speaking of "Honda"...

a complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns!

Okay. Who?

We run a 3-4 and have two excellent tackles. Another backup, albeit a good one, makes no sense. We also have added Ben Watson, presumably as a starter, pushing the new guy (what's his name, dammit?) back to #2 and Royal back to #3. Very unlikely to see a TE taken in this draft, let alone in round 2.The team needs help at QB, in the secondary, on the right side of the O-line, at DE, and could use a burner at WR.

It looks as though the only QB they want will go #1. If the Rams pass on Bradford, look for the Browns to try to move up to get him. Otherwise, they might hold for Berry. If Berry is gone, trading down is most likely. THEY WILL NOT DRAFT TEBOW IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS. I expect to see them trade down a few (maybe many) spots and select a db or de in the first. I also expect to see them go OG/OT in round 2 and QB-project in the third.

I'm gonna guess that you play a lot of Madden.Trade this, trade that. Not gonna happen.

And what's this love affair people have with Ben Watson?

And you said twice that they'll take a DE in the first, which is exactly what I have them taking.

Naw. I don't play Madden at all.So, they didn't make any trades last year? Trades don't happen? I'm saying that Holmgren likes Bradford, but won't take Clausen, unless he somehow falls to the second round, nor will he take McCoy or Tebow before the third. Given that, they are most likely to look db or de. And, unless I misread things, you had them taking a DT in round 1. (McCoy's a dt, no?)

I tell you what. Make me a bet (for bragging rights). I say Browns take a db or trade out of their spot. You say Browns take a TE in round 2.

One final thought, inasmuch as this is starting to take a confrontational tone. I really appreciate when anybody posts a draft like you have done. It takes a whole lot more work than sitting back and sniping at it like this. No disrespect intended!

 

[Honda]

Naw. I don't play Madden at all.

So, they didn't make any trades last year? Trades don't happen? I'm saying that Holmgren likes Bradford, but won't take Clausen, unless he somehow falls to the second round, nor will he take McCoy or Tebow before the third. Given that, they are most likely to look db or de. And, unless I misread things, you had them taking a DT in round 1. (McCoy's a dt, no?)

I tell you what. Make me a bet (for bragging rights). I say Browns take a db or trade out of their spot. You say Browns take a TE in round 2.

One final thought, inasmuch as this is starting to take a confrontational tone. I really appreciate when anybody posts a draft like you have done. It takes a whole lot more work than sitting back and sniping at it like this. No disrespect intended!

The guy that made all the trades last year got fired.McCoy is a 3-4 DE and/or 4-3 DT.

If they take a DB at they're in, it'll be Berry and that's too high for a safety. Who would trade up to that spot and for whom?

No disrespect taken. Good natured ribbing sometimes seems like confrontation, but I stopped being offended on message boards long ago.

 

[efactor]

Thanks for the effort. Always fun to critique these........

If Haden is still on the board at 13, SF won't pass on him, especially for Brown, who would fill a need but isn't worth a #13 pick, in this draft anyway. Haden and Spencer (who is one of the starters and their best CB) would make a good, young combo and there is talk of moving Clements to safety.

If Haden is gone, I hope Trent Williams is still there and they can grab him. Iupati or Thomas would make excellent picks at 17. Focus on the O-line and secondary with the first four picks unless Best happens to still be there in the 2nd.

 

[Honda]

Thanks for the effort. Always fun to critique these........If Haden is still on the board at 13, SF won't pass on him, especially for Brown, who would fill a need but isn't worth a #13 pick, in this draft anyway. Haden and Spencer (who is one of the starters and their best CB) would make a good, young combo and there is talk of moving Clements to safety. If Haden is gone, I hope Trent Williams is still there and they can grab him. Iupati or Thomas would make excellent picks at 17. Focus on the O-line and secondary with the first four picks unless Best happens to still be there in the 2nd.

In several iterations of this mock I had Haden going to the Niners. He would be an excellent selection.Don't sleep on Brown though. He's better than he's being given credit for, IMO.

 

[Tanner9919]

Nice job as usual, Andy.

Bold 1st round pick for the Giants.

But it makes sense depending on your perspective. Both their run game and return game was really pedestrian last year. As "they" say "they lack explosiveness on offense".

And in this scenario, I didn't see anyone that they'd reach for on the d-line or linebacker corps.

Spiller would add a lot to that team.

nice work.I like the Giants prediction, wondering why you'd think Spiller and not,say, Matthews instead..

Giants need a workhorse 20+ carry/gm RB in the worst way..KR/PR can wait...

also, any chance G-Men trade up to get E. Berry or an O-lineman ? McShay and Kiper still have Giants taking a LB, perhaps McClain...

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I just don't see around a half a dozen 3-4 teams who either desperately need a pure NG or could at least use another one, all passing on Cody twice. That's the biggest 'flaw' that I saw jump out at me.

San Diego, KC, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, The Jets, the Cardinals and Miami all either have sub-optimum players currently slated as starters at NT, or they have an aging player, regardless of their skill level, with another aging player(or nothing) behind them at the position.

Since the Senior Bowl it appears Cody's done little except workout in an effort to take care of the one big question that it seems most personnel guys had about him(the weight...which I always thought was stupid anyway. He's fat. They knew he was fat. He's always been fat. He will always be fat. He still makes plays). It appears as if he's succeeded, since he's down 20 pounds already. One of those 3-4 teams would probably sprint to the podium in round 2 if he were available.

 

[Honda]

nice work.I like the Giants prediction, wondering why you'd think Spiller and not,say, Matthews instead..

Giants need a workhorse 20+ carry/gm RB in the worst way..KR/PR can wait...

also, any chance G-Men trade up to get E. Berry or an O-lineman ? McShay and Kiper still have Giants taking a LB, perhaps McClain...

I guess that would make sense too. I'm just a guy on the Spiller bandwagon. In the NFL, speed kills and C.J. has killer speed.They're in a spot in the draft that makes it tough to trade up. If Berry starts to fall then maybe. Earl Thomas is also a possibility. It's too bad, but I think that Kenny Phillips' career might be over before it started.

I really, really doubt that McClain lasts that long, but if he does then he's a near lock as he has DeMeco Ryans/Patrick Willis possibilities.

I just don't see around a half a dozen 3-4 teams who either desperately need a pure NG or could at least use another one, all passing on Cody twice. That's the biggest 'flaw' that I saw jump out at me.

San Diego, KC, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, The Jets, the Cardinals and Miami all either have sub-optimum players currently slated as starters at NT, or they have an aging player, regardless of their skill level, with another aging player(or nothing) behind them at the position.

Since the Senior Bowl it appears Cody's done little except workout in an effort to take care of the one big question that it seems most personnel guys had about him(the weight...which I always thought was stupid anyway. He's fat. They knew he was fat. He's always been fat. He will always be fat. He still makes plays). It appears as if he's succeeded, since he's down 20 pounds already. One of those 3-4 teams would probably sprint to the podium in round 2 if he were available.

I don't know about Cody. The guy really wore down at the end of the college season last year - and the pro season is much longer. I think there are other options nearly as good that more closely approximate a three down player than the likely two down player Cody will be.But I wasn't really trying to imply any sort of ranking when I placed guys in the 2nd round. Really, when it comes to the 2nd round fatties and d-backs, I'm really limited in what I know about them other than what I read.

 

[daveR]

Naw. I don't play Madden at all.

So, they didn't make any trades last year? Trades don't happen? I'm saying that Holmgren likes Bradford, but won't take Clausen, unless he somehow falls to the second round, nor will he take McCoy or Tebow before the third. Given that, they are most likely to look db or de. And, unless I misread things, you had them taking a DT in round 1. (McCoy's a dt, no?)

I tell you what. Make me a bet (for bragging rights). I say Browns take a db or trade out of their spot. You say Browns take a TE in round 2.

One final thought, inasmuch as this is starting to take a confrontational tone. I really appreciate when anybody posts a draft like you have done. It takes a whole lot more work than sitting back and sniping at it like this. No disrespect intended!

The guy that made all the trades last year got fired.McCoy is a 3-4 DE and/or 4-3 DT.

If they take a DB at they're in, it'll be Berry and that's too high for a safety. Who would trade up to that spot and for whom?

No disrespect taken. Good natured ribbing sometimes seems like confrontation, but I stopped being offended on message boards long ago.

The guy who made all the trades last year was Eric Mangini. To your point though, Mangini will not be running this draft, Holmgren will. I could see a trade up to #3 for Bradford. I could see GB trading up for a stud OT. Seattle might want to improve their second #1. Pit should want to hop in there for a lineman, though trading in the division is unlikely. Pats for Dez? Chargers have a couple holes to fill & this spot would be perfect.Here's hoping the NFL GMs think it's "too high for a safety" & we choose Berry!

 

[Honda]

Regarding trades. I think you'll see movement outside of the top 5 picks.

But trading into and/or out of the top 5 is tough - both from a picks and money perspective.

 

[Honda]

The guy who made all the trades last year was Eric Mangini.

Did he tie up Phil Savage and put him in the broom closet?Far from being a cliche, I can actually see Mangini doing that!

 

[daveR]

The guy who made all the trades last year was Eric Mangini.

Did he tie up Phil Savage and put him in the broom closet?Far from being a cliche, I can actually see Mangini doing that!

LOL!Savage was gone already. Kokinis was GM.

 

[daveR]

Regarding trades. I think you'll see movement outside of the top 5 picks. But trading into and/or out of the top 5 is tough - both from a picks and money perspective.

Being an uncapped year, I personally would draft my franchise QB and FRONT-load his contract!

 

[Honda]

Regarding trades. I think you'll see movement outside of the top 5 picks. But trading into and/or out of the top 5 is tough - both from a picks and money perspective.

Being an uncapped year, I personally would draft my franchise QB and FRONT-load his contract!

If I'm the Browns, I'd consider trading up for Bradford. Not sure what the cost would be though. Can't give up picks when you're rebuilding and they don't have many players that they can give up in trade.

 

[daveR]

Regarding trades. I think you'll see movement outside of the top 5 picks.

But trading into and/or out of the top 5 is tough - both from a picks and money perspective.

Being an uncapped year, I personally would draft my franchise QB and FRONT-load his contract!

If I'm the Browns, I'd consider trading up for Bradford. Not sure what the cost would be though. Can't give up picks when you're rebuilding and they don't have many players that they can give up in trade.

Agreed. They have a lot of picks stockpiled this year, but none are very high. The reason I thought they could move up to #3 is that Shaun Rogers could be available. TB could get their DT and still be close to the top 5.

 

[whoknew]

If he is available at the #2 pick and the Lions don't draft Suh I may very well break multiple things in my home.

Bah. Save your things. As good as he is (and he really is) DTs aren't worth spending a #2 pick on especially when your franchise QB is getting killed because his starting LT is Jeff Backus.

According to the Lions and many NFL analysts/writers - that isn't Backus's fault. Backus allegedly had a very good year last year. The Lions are happy with him.

 

[Don Quixote]

Round 2

24. Green Bay - Anthony Davis OT Rutgers

A classic "looks like Jane Tarzan plays like Tarzan Janeplayer that would be very good if the light turns on.

IIRC - Wasn't he a mini-version in the Cody - Andre Smith physique at the combine? If so, I've corrected the statement above.

Listening to NFL Radio Network a couple weeks back, The radio pundits were saying that Davis is not going to fall very far in RD1. His tape is just much much better than what was seen at the combine drills.

As a Rutgers homer, I think the original statement on Davis was correct. He was pretty inconsistent -- better talent than what he showed on the field.

I guess I wasn't clear, it was a joke on having man-boobs.

I don't remember how flabby Davis was while running his 40, I just recall it wasn't pretty.

Ah, gotcha. I think the "plays like Tarzan" threw me off, but I guess looks like Jane, plays like Jane does not have the same ring to it.

 

[Honda]

Ah, gotcha. I think the "plays like Tarzan" threw me off, but I guess looks like Jane, plays like Jane does not have the same ring to it.

I guess that quote should have been "looks and plays like Jane".

 

[Foosball God]

If he is available at the #2 pick and the Lions don't draft Suh I may very well break multiple things in my home.

Bah. Save your things. As good as he is (and he really is) DTs aren't worth spending a #2 pick on especially when your franchise QB is getting killed because his starting LT is Jeff Backus.

I think it's possible they could get a pretty good Tackle in the 2nd round, they won't get the same value at DT in round 2.

 

[Honda]

If he is available at the #2 pick and the Lions don't draft Suh I may very well break multiple things in my home.

Bah. Save your things. As good as he is (and he really is) DTs aren't worth spending a #2 pick on especially when your franchise QB is getting killed because his starting LT is Jeff Backus.

I think it's possible they could get a pretty good Tackle in the 2nd round, they won't get the same value at DT in round 2.

Same value at DT in the 2nd? Maybe not.But I think you'd like the sum of OT first/DT second more than you'd like DT first/OT second, even if it's Suh/McCoy.

 

[TitusIII]

If he is available at the #2 pick and the Lions don't draft Suh I may very well break multiple things in my home.

Bah. Save your things. As good as he is (and he really is) DTs aren't worth spending a #2 pick on especially when your franchise QB is getting killed because his starting LT is Jeff Backus.

I very much agree, but the valid question remains... How good is Okung really? If he has a franchise LT grade, no problem they have to take him. Anything short of that and they have a dilemma on their hands.

Disagree with the sentiment that a DT isn't extremely important. IMO, it's the most important position on the defensive end, and a dominant DE can cover-up more than few holes on the rest of a D. Unless a team thinks Bradford is going to be an elite QB, passing up Suh is ridiculous and absolutely will cost that GM his job in a year or two.

 

[Honda]

Disagree with the sentiment that a DT isn't extremely important. IMO, it's the most important position on the defensive end, and a dominant DE can cover-up more than few holes on the rest of a D. Unless a team thinks Bradford is going to be an elite QB, passing up Suh is ridiculous and absolutely will cost that GM his job in a year or two.

Saying a DT isn't worth the 2nd pick is not saying a DT isn't extremely important.But why are you mixing up a DT with a DE?And the Lions have gotten both a DT and a DE in free agency.

 

[Foosball God]

Disagree with the sentiment that a DT isn't extremely important. IMO, it's the most important position on the defensive end, and a dominant DE can cover-up more than few holes on the rest of a D. Unless a team thinks Bradford is going to be an elite QB, passing up Suh is ridiculous and absolutely will cost that GM his job in a year or two.

Saying a DT isn't worth the 2nd pick is not saying a DT isn't extremely important.But why are you mixing up a DT with a DE?And the Lions have gotten both a DT and a DE in free agency.

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

 

[Honda]

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

(Un)fortunately, they're going to improve their team either way!

 

[daveR]

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

(Un)fortunately, they're going to improve their team either way!

True that.Anybody else notice the correlation between Sacks Allowed and Draft Position?

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I don't see any way the Bolts fail to address RB in the first two rounds.

Okay, but if Mathews goes before their pick, who would they take at the bottom of round one/top of round 2? Dwyer? A Sproles clone in Best?

Dwyer, Dixon, Mondesy

 

[Foosball God]

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

(Un)fortunately, they're going to improve their team either way!

Sure step on us poor unfortunates that are fans of the Lions.

 

[Honda]

I don't see any way the Bolts fail to address RB in the first two rounds.

Okay, but if Mathews goes before their pick, who would they take at the bottom of round one/top of round 2? Dwyer? A Sproles clone in Best?

Dwyer, Dixon, Mondesy

None of those guys are first rounders.Dwyer might belong at the top of round two, but I really don't think the Dixon/Hardesty do and it would be a real reach for the Bolts to take them that high.

 

[Honda]

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

(Un)fortunately, they're going to improve their team either way!

Sure step on us poor unfortunates that are fans of the Lions.

Things have to be looking up though. There are some fun guys to watch on the team and the organization itself seems to be getting its act together.I think this is going to be a really fun draft to watch for Lions fans (and non-Lions fans observing the Lions).

 

[daveR]

And their line still isn't very good. I think they need the impact DT a lot more than they need the OT. A strong/dominant front 4 will help hide the glaring deficiencies in the back 7. The Lions still don't have the pieces to outscore people so getting a good OT vs. a great OT is preferable IMO.

(Un)fortunately, they're going to improve their team either way!

Sure step on us poor unfortunates that are fans of the Lions. :(

Things have to be looking up though. There are some fun guys to watch on the team and the organization itself seems to be getting its act together.I think this is going to be a really fun draft to watch for Lions fans (and non-Lions fans observing the Lions).

They turned over a large part of their roster last year and are doing it again. I'm impressed with the number of quality FA's they've added.

 

[Brownsfan_33]

Naw. I don't play Madden at all.

So, they didn't make any trades last year? Trades don't happen? I'm saying that Holmgren likes Bradford, but won't take Clausen, unless he somehow falls to the second round, nor will he take McCoy or Tebow before the third. Given that, they are most likely to look db or de. And, unless I misread things, you had them taking a DT in round 1. (McCoy's a dt, no?)

I tell you what. Make me a bet (for bragging rights). I say Browns take a db or trade out of their spot. You say Browns take a TE in round 2.

One final thought, inasmuch as this is starting to take a confrontational tone. I really appreciate when anybody posts a draft like you have done. It takes a whole lot more work than sitting back and sniping at it like this. No disrespect intended!

The guy that made all the trades last year got fired.McCoy is a 3-4 DE and/or 4-3 DT.

If they take a DB at they're in, it'll be Berry and that's too high for a safety. Who would trade up to that spot and for whom?

No disrespect taken. Good natured ribbing sometimes seems like confrontation, but I stopped being offended on message boards long ago.

I defintely agree that McCoy can play either DE or DT and I think he would actually make a better DE in a 3-4 than DT. He is a beast either way. I would be thrilled if we get him assuming we do not make a move for Sammy B. I think we are setting up to try to move up to get him tho..IMO.

 

[Honda]

I defintely agree that McCoy can play either DE or DT and I think he would actually make a better DE in a 3-4 than DT. He is a beast either way. I would be thrilled if we get him assuming we do not make a move for Sammy B. I think we are setting up to try to move up to get him tho..IMO.

The only way that I can see the Browns trading up for Bradford is if the Rams don't take him at #1. I don't think they have the resources (or if they do, they'd be unwilling to give them up) to move up to #1.

 

[Brownsfan_33]

I defintely agree that McCoy can play either DE or DT and I think he would actually make a better DE in a 3-4 than DT. He is a beast either way. I would be thrilled if we get him assuming we do not make a move for Sammy B. I think we are setting up to try to move up to get him tho..IMO.

The only way that I can see the Browns trading up for Bradford is if the Rams don't take him at #1. I don't think they have the resources (or if they do, they'd be unwilling to give them up) to move up to #1.

I honestly thought the same thing until they traded Kam Wimbley for a 3rd. He is a decent player and a GREAT off the field guy. That trade just did not make alot of sense to me. That just gives them more ammunition. I guess we will see.

 

[Dodge]

2nd mock I've seen that has the Giants taking Spiller this week. I just don't see it, though I wouldn't be disappointed with the pick.

I'd think they would go for LB or OL and then even CB before taking a RB in round 1.

 

[Honda]

2nd mock I've seen that has the Giants taking Spiller this week. I just don't see it, though I wouldn't be disappointed with the pick. I'd think they would go for LB or OL and then even CB before taking a RB in round 1.

I just don't see any LBs worth using a 1st on other than McClain. And in this scenario, they'd have to reach for an o-lineman.

 

[Dodge]

I've seen Weatherspoon up that high in a few places. Plus you have a few CBs and OLs around 15. I think the Giants could take any of those.

Assuming no trade up/downs happen.

 

[daveR]

Speaking of "Honda"...

a complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns!

Okay. Who?

We run a 3-4 and have two excellent tackles. Another backup, albeit a good one, makes no sense. We also have added Ben Watson, presumably as a starter, pushing the new guy (what's his name, dammit?) back to #2 and Royal back to #3. Very unlikely to see a TE taken in this draft, let alone in round 2.The team needs help at QB, in the secondary, on the right side of the O-line, at DE, and could use a burner at WR.

It looks as though the only QB they want will go #1. If the Rams pass on Bradford, look for the Browns to try to move up to get him. Otherwise, they might hold for Berry. If Berry is gone, trading down is most likely. THEY WILL NOT DRAFT TEBOW IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS. I expect to see them trade down a few (maybe many) spots and select a db or de in the first. I also expect to see them go OG/OT in round 2 and QB-project in the third.

I'm gonna guess that you play a lot of Madden.Trade this, trade that. Not gonna happen.

And what's this love affair people have with Ben Watson?

And you said twice that they'll take a DE in the first, which is exactly what I have them taking.

Naw. I don't play Madden at all.So, they didn't make any trades last year? Trades don't happen? I'm saying that Holmgren likes Bradford, but won't take Clausen, unless he somehow falls to the second round, nor will he take McCoy or Tebow before the third. Given that, they are most likely to look db or de. And, unless I misread things, you had them taking a DT in round 1. (McCoy's a dt, no?)

I tell you what. Make me a bet (for bragging rights). I say Browns take a db or trade out of their spot. You say Browns take a TE in round 2.

One final thought, inasmuch as this is starting to take a confrontational tone. I really appreciate when anybody posts a draft like you have done. It takes a whole lot more work than sitting back and sniping at it like this. No disrespect intended!

Did I win?