Another Cheap or Shark Move.... (1 Viewer)

[Canowupass]

no offense but the OP should have made plans for D earlier. Thems the brakes

It's not right if the guys in your league are strangers, and if you would do that in a league with your friends, well.......then that just says something about you.

Nailed it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I didn't have a defense yet and my opponent went and picked up all of them and then dropped them leaving each defense on waivers till Sunday night. This of course means I don't/won't have a defense this week. You make the call.

All leagues should have rules against this, and he should be booted.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bush

 

[thekidd2009]

Either way the guy that picked up all the defenses was being a bit ridiculous. The money league i'm in is amongst friends and is pretty competitive. I know for a fact if someone did this to some of the guys in my league, there would be an ### kickin involved for the culprit.

 

[Chaka]

Bush league or not you only have yourself to blame.

 

[Penguins]

something that may help - and also help the pot on this one:

institute a cost for every waiver transaction - we have a model that works pretty well - $50 entry and each player gets 5 waiver picks free - then it costs $5 per transaction....

just an idea

 

[Dexter Manley]

Bush league or not you only have yourself to blame.

OP, whether you think it's bush league or not is irrelevant. You need to be accountable for your own decisions and actions. In this case you got out-sharked and fell victim to a classic Operation: Catch and Release. If I were you I would propose a rule change that would go into effect after this week, which would prohibit this type of manuever in the future.

And for everyone else in this thread saying this is a bush league move, or bad mouthing those owners who execute what I like to call Operation: Catch and Release, ask yourself this question:

What would Bill Belichek do? I guarantee you that if Coach Belichek played in a ff league that had no rules prohibiting an Operation: Catch and Release, he would do it in a heartbeat, if it improved his team's chances of winning.

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[Knobs]

I want to win every game and I play within the limits of the rules, though I'll generally exploit any and every loophole I can find.

Who wants to win this way? More importantly, who wants to play with people who play this way? I've picked up players (qb, rb, etc.) and held them for a week, thus screwing my opponent or forcing him into a trade. But to pick up and drop every single defense, or ANY position, is a cheap, classless, and immature way to play.

If I were commish I would undo those pickups and give a very stern warning to the guy who did that. I'd even think about immediately booting him from the league. Yes, this rule should have been mentioned but there are certain elements of decency that shouldn't have to be written out.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Bush league or not you only have yourself to blame.

OP, whether you think it's bush league or not is irrelevant. You need to be accountable for your own decisions and actions. In this case you got out-sharked and fell victim to a classic Operation: Catch and Release. If I were you I would propose a rule change that would go into effect after this week, which would prohibit this type of manuever in the future.

And for everyone else in this thread saying this is a bush league move, or bad mouthing those owners who execute what I like to call Operation: Catch and Release, ask yourself this question:

What would Bill Belichek do? I guarantee you that if Coach Belichek played in a ff league that had no rules prohibiting an Operation: Catch and Release, he would do it in a heartbeat, if it improved his team's chances of winning.

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Never mind all that, but what name should we give this shark manouevre?

 

[rdstorm]

Maybe it *should* be illegal, but if it's not then you can't really criticize the guy who did it. He's playing by the rules, and if you let yourself be in a situation where that can happen, you deserve it.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

This is brilliant, if only I can concoct some software to go through the free agent wire and add/drop every player at every position every week - all my opponents would be sooooo screwed.

 

[renesauz]

The people defending this as a shark move are the same people that use nano-blitzes and crap in Madden and then claim that they're good at videogame defense.This isn't anything new, or smart. It's been around (and discussed) for a decade and doing it is no better than logging into someone else's account and dropping their defense 5 minutes before kickoff. Last I checked, there's no rule against that either.

 

[twistd]

Total bush league. Your commish should give you the one you want.I would recommend making an immediate new rule stating that any player added must be on your roster for one Tuesday (this ensures players added Wed-Sun) are on your team for a weekend's worth of games and prevents silly bush league moves like that. It stinks to make stupid rules like this, but sometimes you have to if people are going to be unethical.

I'd just say anyone picked up, but dropped in the same week, is still available. Two of my leagues I think are set up like that.

 

[dagwood]

So this league I am in has a "rule" that "ANY rule changes made during the season take effect next year"....I think its a dumb rule...

I have been using the catch and release on just about any player with a pulse...it has virtually locked up the FCFS portion of our waiver process....the commish is FURIOUS at me.....and has changed the waiver process but is sticking to his rule that the change will be effective next year.....

ROFLMAO at the nasty emails he sends me every week....

He just posted that he is changing his effective date of rule changes rule....to allow him to make changes effective immediately....

Of course....this change is effective NEXT YEAR TOO....

I almost spit my drink all over my computer when I read this....

 

[rocketsauce]

A) Know your rules

B) Don't play in a league whose rules you don't like. I hate any pickup system that locks players, so I don't play in those leagues. I enjoy leagues with a Blind Bidding pickup system, followed by a first come, first serve -- so I only play in leagues with that structure.

I don't see the concern or point here. It was a great strategic move within the rules of your league. It doesn't matter if it was "cheap". I feel like it was cheap in week 2 when Reggie Bush scored a 4th quarter 19 yard rushing TD against me. Doesn't mean it didn't count or that I should cry to the commish.

Suck it up, and next time pick up a defense earlier in the week.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

This sucks. There is a reason most people like using the bid process or differant waiver rules. I've picked up a couple of the major defenses and kickers and dropped 'em the day of but that's not the same.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

To drop your defense you must have picked up a player who'll you have to drop... leaving that player unavailable for another team to pick up and play this week. Therefore, how much worse is what he did than what you did? Yes, it should be illegal to churn that many players because it could become abusive, but your strategy would be illegal in a lot of leagues as well. I give Kudos to your opponent for causing your move to backfire at you.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on these boards, and that's saying a lot.

 

[bigums]

Bush league or not you only have yourself to blame.

OP, whether you think it's bush league or not is irrelevant. You need to be accountable for your own decisions and actions. In this case you got out-sharked and fell victim to a classic Operation: Catch and Release. If I were you I would propose a rule change that would go into effect after this week, which would prohibit this type of manuever in the future.

And for everyone else in this thread saying this is a bush league move, or bad mouthing those owners who execute what I like to call Operation: Catch and Release, ask yourself this question:

What would Bill Belichek do? I guarantee you that if Coach Belichek played in a ff league that had no rules prohibiting an Operation: Catch and Release, he would do it in a heartbeat, if it improved his team's chances of winning.

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I bet you're awesome to hang out with. Always looking for a loophole or freebie. This is the same mentality that led to the mess on Wall Street and in the housing market. It doesn't specifically say you can't do it, so even if it's COMPLETELY douchey, you can justify it. Do you keep the extra change if the cashier makes a mistake? Do you share a plate at the buffet unless there's sign saying not to?The INTENT of the waiver wire is to give everyone a fair shot at players, not to manipulate the rules to keep someone from picking up a player. A good commish rules on INTENT and tells the loopholers to pound sand.

OP - You may have to eat this one, but if that guy is someone you know IRL, I'd stay far away from someone with questionable morals like that.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Total bush league. Your commish should give you the one you want.I would recommend making an immediate new rule stating that any player added must be on your roster for one Tuesday (this ensures players added Wed-Sun) are on your team for a weekend's worth of games and prevents silly bush league moves like that. It stinks to make stupid rules like this, but sometimes you have to if people are going to be unethical.

sometimes I pick up multiple players based on injuries, waiting to grab a kicker at the last minute. This rule is decent in theory, but just needs tweaking.and churning like this should be illegal. But you should be more proactive in pickups (as this is usually only possible on weekends/near gametime)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I didn't have a defense yet and my opponent went and picked up all of them and then dropped them leaving each defense on waivers till Sunday night. This of course means I don't/won't have a defense this week. You make the call.

All leagues should have rules against this, and he should be booted.

disagree on booting the guy, but a public shaming is in order.

 

[The Jerk]

Sounds like another owner taking advantage of the OP's mistakes.

Ouch. If your commish doesn't want to make a change or give you a break then I suggest you go crazy on waivers from here on out every week.

I usually subscribe to the "two wrongs don't make a right" approach, but if the OP doesn't get some relief on this issue, I think it's a great idea to attempt to roster and then drop every conceivable free agent -- defense, kicker, and the rest -- as soon as FCFS waivers start for the rest of the season. I suppose that might help get a rules change through. Arguably, this response would not be "two wrongs" because the league has essentially sanctioned this behavior as allowable. It's just taking what was done on defenses this week that affected the OP and raising it to the next level.

 

[Chaka]

Bush league or not you only have yourself to blame.

OP, whether you think it's bush league or not is irrelevant. You need to be accountable for your own decisions and actions. In this case you got out-sharked and fell victim to a classic Operation: Catch and Release. If I were you I would propose a rule change that would go into effect after this week, which would prohibit this type of manuever in the future.

And for everyone else in this thread saying this is a bush league move, or bad mouthing those owners who execute what I like to call Operation: Catch and Release, ask yourself this question:

What would Bill Belichek do? I guarantee you that if Coach Belichek played in a ff league that had no rules prohibiting an Operation: Catch and Release, he would do it in a heartbeat, if it improved his team's chances of winning.

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I bet you're awesome to hang out with. Always looking for a loophole or freebie. This is the same mentality that led to the mess on Wall Street and in the housing market. It doesn't specifically say you can't do it, so even if it's COMPLETELY douchey, you can justify it. Do you keep the extra change if the cashier makes a mistake? Do you share a plate at the buffet unless there's sign saying not to?The INTENT of the waiver wire is to give everyone a fair shot at players, not to manipulate the rules to keep someone from picking up a player. A good commish rules on INTENT and tells the loopholers to pound sand.

OP - You may have to eat this one, but if that guy is someone you know IRL, I'd stay far away from someone with questionable morals like that.

While you are busy judging Dexter, and ostensibly me, nowhere did either of say we would make this move. The point is the OP put himself at risk by not being prepared for the bye week and he got burned. He has no one to blame but himself. The bush league nature of the move should not be the debate here when the OP could have prevented it from happening.I also think your argument as to the intent of the waiver wire if flawed, it has little to do with fairness and everything to do with giving the individual owners the ability to improve their team. Cries of fairness are the doctrine of those who cannot fend for themselves (or choose not to do so for whatever reason).

Let me reiterate nowhere did Dexter or I say we endorse or would employ such a strategy (my league players are available as soon as they hit the wire so it is a non issue) we are just pointing out where the fault lies, which is with the OP.

Please step off your high horse, I would hate for you to fall and blame us for not providing you with a soft landing.

 

[rdstorm]

The people defending this as a shark move are the same people that use nano-blitzes and crap in Madden and then claim that they're good at videogame defense.This isn't anything new, or smart. It's been around (and discussed) for a decade and doing it is no better than logging into someone else's account and dropping their defense 5 minutes before kickoff. Last I checked, there's no rule against that either.

And again, if you let one of your opponents know enough to be able to log in to your account, you deserve whatever you get. And I would venture to guess in that case you may be in for a worse "what you get" than a loss in fantasy football.

 

[GregR_2]

Maybe we should sticky a thread called ***OFFICIAL FANTASY FOOTBALL LEAGUE STANDARDS*** and put all of the info gathered from these kinds of threads in there?

Check this thread. It sometimes gets stickied in the preseason. This issue is #21 in the list, incidentally.