Another Commish Issue - Thoughts (1 Viewer)

[solorca]

This is a superflex dynasty league where you every starting QB is on a team, plus many of the backups.

Team A dropped Andy Dalton at 10:58

Team B picked him up at 10:59

A few minutes after Team B picked him up, Team A sent an email out to the league stating that the drop was a mistake and that he was processing it from his iphone (he said he intended to drop Harry Douglas instead). As a result of this, the transactions were reversed.

Team B is angry, saying that the trade shouldn't have been reversed because we have FC/FS waivers in place, and Team A should take responsibility for his error.

I'm interested in thoughts on this.

 

[Road Warriors]

If the email was sent within a reasonable time ( a few minutes ) of the drop, I'd reverse the transactions. Simple user error that can be corrected.

Team B sounds like a fun owner to play with.

 

[jim k]

If this is a friends league the reversal should be allowed. I wouldnt want to be in a league with a #####' like that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team B is a tool. It was an obvious error, as no one would drop Dalton in that format and he immediately notified everyone of his mistake.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

If the email was sent within a reasonable time ( a few minutes ) of the drop, I'd reverse the transactions. Simple user error that can be corrected. Team B sounds like a fun owner to play with.

Thread/ reasonable allotment s for fickle tech. Tell team b to quit whining.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

If the email was sent within a reasonable time ( a few minutes ) of the drop, I'd reverse the transactions. Simple user error that can be corrected. Team B sounds like a fun owner to play with.

If this is a friends league the reversal should be allowed. I wouldnt want to be in a league with a #####' like that.

Team B is a tool. It was an obvious error, as no one would drop Dalton in that format and he immediately notified everyone of his mistake.

All of this.

 

[habsfan]

If the email was sent within a reasonable time ( a few minutes ) of the drop, I'd reverse the transactions. Simple user error that can be corrected. Team B sounds like a fun owner to play with.

+1

 

[inca911]

The "right thing" is super obvious. It's also obvious you should work to get rid of Team B next year. Also fix the FC/FS waivers to prevent this in the future. $0.02

 

[rocketsauce]

Guess I'm going against the majority here. I would hold A responsible for his actions. If nobody had picked him up, sure, he could reaquire him (with no explanation needed) but the fact is, Team B was on the ball, saw a player he wanted was cut, and moved on him (also having to cut a player, who could then subsequently be picked up as well.)

Error or none, Team A made the move, period.

 

[pantagrapher]

Guess I'm going against the majority here. I would hold A responsible for his actions. If nobody had picked him up, sure, he could reaquire him (with no explanation needed) but the fact is, Team B was on the ball, saw a player he wanted was cut, and moved on him (also having to cut a player, who could then subsequently be picked up as well.) Error or none, Team A made the move, period.

Great way to ruin a league.

 

[Gawain]

Guess I'm going against the majority here. I would hold A responsible for his actions. If nobody had picked him up, sure, he could reaquire him (with no explanation needed) but the fact is, Team B was on the ball, saw a player he wanted was cut, and moved on him (also having to cut a player, who could then subsequently be picked up as well.) Error or none, Team A made the move, period.

None of this. Move him back to team A

 

[da_budman]

This is a superflex dynasty league where you every starting QB is on a team, plus many of the backups.Team A dropped Andy Dalton at 10:58Team B picked him up at 10:59A few minutes after Team B picked him up, Team A sent an email out to the league stating that the drop was a mistake and that he was processing it from his iphone (he said he intended to drop Harry Douglas instead). As a result of this, the transactions were reversed.Team B is angry, saying that the trade shouldn't have been reversed because we have FC/FS waivers in place, and Team A should take responsibility for his error.I'm interested in thoughts on this.

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

 

[da_budman]

But I agree...especially since it is superflex...give Dalton back to player A and tell Player B to kick sand.

 

[Runningman]

This is a superflex dynasty league where you every starting QB is on a team, plus many of the backups.Team A dropped Andy Dalton at 10:58Team B picked him up at 10:59A few minutes after Team B picked him up, Team A sent an email out to the league stating that the drop was a mistake and that he was processing it from his iphone (he said he intended to drop Harry Douglas instead). As a result of this, the transactions were reversed.Team B is angry, saying that the trade shouldn't have been reversed because we have FC/FS waivers in place, and Team A should take responsibility for his error.I'm interested in thoughts on this.

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fat that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

when I read the first post I thought it was gong to be a collusion question too. Any way fix the quick pickup of drop players and give Dalton back to the guy that dropped him. Good Lord you have to win fantasy so bad you want to steal players from other people. Get a life or bet less money on fantasy.

 

[Wrigley]

Guess I'm going against the majority here. I would hold A responsible for his actions. If nobody had picked him up, sure, he could reaquire him (with no explanation needed) but the fact is, Team B was on the ball, saw a player he wanted was cut, and moved on him (also having to cut a player, who could then subsequently be picked up as well.) Error or none, Team A made the move, period.

Is this team B?

 

[rocketsauce]

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

In my 12 year Re-Draft league, this is exactly how we do FCFS waivers (which happen through the week after a FAAB period that runs on Weds night) and always have. We use MFL, and every time someone is added or dropped, an immediate email is sent to the entire league. We love this set up, as often times it sets off a chain reaction of pickups and drops among owners. Each FCFS transaction is $2 into our pot, so anything to generate more action.

 

[solorca]

This is a superflex dynasty league where you every starting QB is on a team, plus many of the backups.Team A dropped Andy Dalton at 10:58Team B picked him up at 10:59A few minutes after Team B picked him up, Team A sent an email out to the league stating that the drop was a mistake and that he was processing it from his iphone (he said he intended to drop Harry Douglas instead). As a result of this, the transactions were reversed.Team B is angry, saying that the trade shouldn't have been reversed because we have FC/FS waivers in place, and Team A should take responsibility for his error.I'm interested in thoughts on this.

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

This is how pretty much every league I'm in runs. Once the waiver wire (or blind bidding) processes, then it's first come, first serve. Players are eligible to be added as soon as they are dropped.On MFL, every team in the league gets an email when someone is dropped...so everyone has the same ability to grab them ASAP. I don't really have a problem with this system at all, and it's worked perfectly fine in every league (7) that I'm in over the years.Every so often, maybe once a year between all of my leagues, something like this will happen. In every case prior to this, the party that benefited from the accidental drop understood it was just an error and were fine with the reversal.

 

[rocketsauce]

Every so often, maybe once a year between all of my leagues, something like this will happen. In every case prior to this, the party that benefited from the accidental drop understood it was just an error and were fine with the reversal.

I'm with you on this. If Owner B wants to give him back -- no problem with that. But as a commissioner, no way am I forcing the guy to give him back because of Owner A's original error.

 

[bagger]

This is a superflex dynasty league where you every starting QB is on a team, plus many of the backups.Team A dropped Andy Dalton at 10:58Team B picked him up at 10:59A few minutes after Team B picked him up, Team A sent an email out to the league stating that the drop was a mistake and that he was processing it from his iphone (he said he intended to drop Harry Douglas instead). As a result of this, the transactions were reversed.Team B is angry, saying that the trade shouldn't have been reversed because we have FC/FS waivers in place, and Team A should take responsibility for his error.I'm interested in thoughts on this.

reverse it. a league is most fairly ruled by intent, not on a strict letter of the law the onerously penalizes a team for a misclick. thats just not fun.

 

[flc735]

Guess I'm going against the majority here. I would hold A responsible for his actions. If nobody had picked him up, sure, he could reaquire him (with no explanation needed) but the fact is, Team B was on the ball, saw a player he wanted was cut, and moved on him (also having to cut a player, who could then subsequently be picked up as well.) Error or none, Team A made the move, period.

im guessing you are team B here?

 

[ponchsox]

Reverse the move. I can see how someone can make a mistake using an iphone. The fact that Team B is upset is irrelevant.

 

[Alberta Clipper]

As a fellow commish that has had this issue come up a few times over 10+ yrs I agree with most that say allow it to be reversed.

I follow a general rule in my 4 leagues that if someone emails the commish and/or league within a few mins of a mistake it will be reversed.

If you wait hours or days it is not going to be reversed.

Also consider 'freezing' or 'locking' all players dropped in a week until the following waiver period.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Every so often, maybe once a year between all of my leagues, something like this will happen. In every case prior to this, the party that benefited from the accidental drop understood it was just an error and were fine with the reversal.

I'm with you on this. If Owner B wants to give him back -- no problem with that. But as a commissioner, no way am I forcing the guy to give him back because of Owner A's original error.

Good thing you're not the commissioner then. Total dickbag move for B to insist on keeping the player or for the commish not to reverse the mistake.

 

[da_budman]

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

In my 12 year Re-Draft league, this is exactly how we do FCFS waivers (which happen through the week after a FAAB period that runs on Weds night) and always have. We use MFL, and every time someone is added or dropped, an immediate email is sent to the entire league. We love this set up, as often times it sets off a chain reaction of pickups and drops among owners. Each FCFS transaction is $2 into our pot, so anything to generate more action.

I can understand why you like it then but why not do FCFS the whole time if there isnt going to be a certain period of time where someone can have a life and not have to worry about who got dropped a few minutes ago? Seems inconsistent to me to have a waiver wire in the first place if its a game of quickest fingers gets the dropped player the rest of the time. The vast majority of leagues decided long ago that its not fair to everyone when an owner or owners can pick up a player without everybody even knowing he was available (this aside from the potential for collusion).

 

[solorca]

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

In my 12 year Re-Draft league, this is exactly how we do FCFS waivers (which happen through the week after a FAAB period that runs on Weds night) and always have. We use MFL, and every time someone is added or dropped, an immediate email is sent to the entire league. We love this set up, as often times it sets off a chain reaction of pickups and drops among owners. Each FCFS transaction is $2 into our pot, so anything to generate more action.

I can understand why you like it then but why not do FCFS the whole time if there isnt going to be a certain period of time where someone can have a life and not have to worry about who got dropped a few minutes ago? Seems inconsistent to me to have a waiver wire in the first place if its a game of quickest fingers gets the dropped player the rest of the time. The vast majority of leagues decided long ago that its not fair to everyone when an owner or owners can pick up a player without everybody even knowing he was available (this aside from the potential for collusion).

I'm not sure it's the vast majority of leagues. Every league I am in has fcfs waivers following the waiver period. Again, in mfl leagues, everyone gets the announcement of adds and drops... So everyone has a fair chance. I prefer leagues that don't make a wait around to grab a player after the initial waiver period following the weekend games.I've also never seen a situation of collusion as a result of add drops in leagues like this.

 

[Ray_T]

If the email was sent within a reasonable time ( a few minutes ) of the drop, I'd reverse the transactions. Simple user error that can be corrected. Team B sounds like a fun owner to play with.

+1

I agree.If Team A sent the email out a day later, I'd be inclined to say no.we used to have a guy in our league who would go online drunk at 3 or 4 in the morning after he came home from the bar. he made one stupid move at 4:30 AM and asked for it to be reversed at 9 AM We allowed it but told him it wouldnt be done for him again under those circumstances.I thought that was a fair compromise, and I think in your situation where the commish/league was notified minutes after the erroneous drop, I think it's more than reasonable to reverse the transaction.as for Team B, are you sure you want him in your league? I'd consider punting him for next year.

 

[stugnut]

A commish needs to be able to hang his hat on a rule at the end of a day. In my opinion the job of the commish is to have rules in place that remove ALL subjective situations where the commish is responsible for making a judgement on something; that's what the rule book is for.

The minute you have to make a decision on something because your rules do not cover it, you, as the commish, have failed. Because you will not please both teams. Instead, you have to have a set of rules that all teams agree too before the season starts, and then when the issue comes up you can point to that rule. And if they have a problem with the rule, well, they should have brought it up in the preseason. Done.

Our rule for this reads,

Transactions – All transactions committed on the web site by an owner are final. There will be no “taking back” of

incorrectly dropped players or incorrect bid amounts. The responsibility is on the owner to verify all transactions both before and after submittal.

Because if you reverse this, the next time you will have an owner that maybe, oh, 8 hours later, says he made a mistake and just realized it, and you reversed it last year for the other team so he expects you to do it for him. No. Get a rule in place and hang your hat on it. This can't be repeated enough. The commish CAN'T be in a position where he has to make a judgement call. Put yourself in a position where you can point to a rule THAT ALL TEAMS HAVE AGREED TO. Done.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

lol

 

[Chazzhawk]

Tell team B to quit whining. If he doesn't tell him he can easily be replaced by 1 of the 10 million other people that play fantasy football that don't cry and try to take advantage of a smart phone/computer issue.

 

[BoomGoesTheDynamite]

This happened a few days ago in one of my leagues. Commish reversed the move and no one #####ed. I don't know why you would want to win on a mistake like this anyways. There are probably some 4 team leagues available if you need to win that bad.

 

[rocketsauce]

A commish needs to be able to hang his hat on a rule at the end of a day. In my opinion the job of the commish is to have rules in place that remove ALL subjective situations where the commish is responsible for making a judgement on something; that's what the rule book is for.

The minute you have to make a decision on something because your rules do not cover it, you, as the commish, have failed. Because you will not please both teams. Instead, you have to have a set of rules that all teams agree too before the season starts, and then when the issue comes up you can point to that rule. And if they have a problem with the rule, well, they should have brought it up in the preseason. Done.

Our rule for this reads,

Transactions – All transactions committed on the web site by an owner are final. There will be no “taking back” of

incorrectly dropped players or incorrect bid amounts. The responsibility is on the owner to verify all transactions both before and after submittal.

Because if you reverse this, the next time you will have an owner that maybe, oh, 8 hours later, says he made a mistake and just realized it, and you reversed it last year for the other team so he expects you to do it for him. No. Get a rule in place and hang your hat on it. This can't be repeated enough. The commish CAN'T be in a position where he has to make a judgement call. Put yourself in a position where you can point to a rule THAT ALL TEAMS HAVE AGREED TO. Done.

100% This. This is how you commish a league, and this is how I commish a league. Glad to see a fellow commish doing his job, and not more of the same whiny owners who want a do-over because they're trying to get on their league site from their iPhone and don't know what the hell they're doing.

 

[Sea Duck]

I wouldn't forcibly reverse the move, but I would politely ask Team B to trade Dalton back to Team A. If Team B refuses, then I wouldn't invite him back to the league next year.

 

[Quibbler]

Re the OP, team B is being a ####bag. Reverse it.

Why would you allow a player to be dropped then picked up within a minute? This sort of setup screams for potential collusion, aside from the fact that is is pattently unfair for a player to be picked up without the whole league even knowing he was available.

In my 12 year Re-Draft league, this is exactly how we do FCFS waivers (which happen through the week after a FAAB period that runs on Weds night) and always have. We use MFL, and every time someone is added or dropped, an immediate email is sent to the entire league. We love this set up, as often times it sets off a chain reaction of pickups and drops among owners. Each FCFS transaction is $2 into our pot, so anything to generate more action.

I can understand why you like it then but why not do FCFS the whole time if there isnt going to be a certain period of time where someone can have a life and not have to worry about who got dropped a few minutes ago? Seems inconsistent to me to have a waiver wire in the first place if its a game of quickest fingers gets the dropped player the rest of the time. The vast majority of leagues decided long ago that its not fair to everyone when an owner or owners can pick up a player without everybody even knowing he was available (this aside from the potential for collusion).

I'm not sure it's the vast majority of leagues. Every league I am in has fcfs waivers following the waiver period. Again, in mfl leagues, everyone gets the announcement of adds and drops... So everyone has a fair chance. I prefer leagues that don't make a wait around to grab a player after the initial waiver period following the weekend games.

I've also never seen a situation of collusion as a result of add drops in leagues like this.

Except for the guy who's on a plane, or in a meeting at work, etc.. If you guys like it, then great, but I think that sort of setup is uncommon. A waiver period is standard on ESPN and Yahoo, which I think are still the biggest 2 sites.

A commish needs to be able to hang his hat on a rule at the end of a day. In my opinion the job of the commish is to have rules in place that remove ALL subjective situations where the commish is responsible for making a judgement on something; that's what the rule book is for.

The minute you have to make a decision on something because your rules do not cover it, you, as the commish, have failed. Because you will not please both teams. Instead, you have to have a set of rules that all teams agree too before the season starts, and then when the issue comes up you can point to that rule. And if they have a problem with the rule, well, they should have brought it up in the preseason. Done.

Our rule for this reads,

Transactions – All transactions committed on the web site by an owner are final. There will be no “taking back” of

incorrectly dropped players or incorrect bid amounts. The responsibility is on the owner to verify all transactions both before and after submittal.

Because if you reverse this, the next time you will have an owner that maybe, oh, 8 hours later, says he made a mistake and just realized it, and you reversed it last year for the other team so he expects you to do it for him. No. Get a rule in place and hang your hat on it. This can't be repeated enough. The commish CAN'T be in a position where he has to make a judgement call. Put yourself in a position where you can point to a rule THAT ALL TEAMS HAVE AGREED TO. Done.

100% This. This is how you commish a league, and this is how I commish a league. Glad to see a fellow commish doing his job, and not more of the same whiny owners who want a do-over because they're trying to get on their league site from their iPhone and don't know what the hell they're doing.

Glad I'm not in a league with you two. Rigidly following the letter of the law, regardless of intent, is not my idea of how to run something that's supposed to be a fun hobby.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

A commish needs to be able to hang his hat on a rule at the end of a day. In my opinion the job of the commish is to have rules in place that remove ALL subjective situations where the commish is responsible for making a judgement on something; that's what the rule book is for.

The minute you have to make a decision on something because your rules do not cover it, you, as the commish, have failed. Because you will not please both teams. Instead, you have to have a set of rules that all teams agree too before the season starts, and then when the issue comes up you can point to that rule. And if they have a problem with the rule, well, they should have brought it up in the preseason. Done.

Our rule for this reads,

Transactions – All transactions committed on the web site by an owner are final. There will be no “taking back” of

incorrectly dropped players or incorrect bid amounts. The responsibility is on the owner to verify all transactions both before and after submittal.

Because if you reverse this, the next time you will have an owner that maybe, oh, 8 hours later, says he made a mistake and just realized it, and you reversed it last year for the other team so he expects you to do it for him. No. Get a rule in place and hang your hat on it. This can't be repeated enough. The commish CAN'T be in a position where he has to make a judgement call. Put yourself in a position where you can point to a rule THAT ALL TEAMS HAVE AGREED TO. Done.

100% This. This is how you commish a league, and this is how I commish a league. Glad to see a fellow commish doing his job, and not more of the same whiny owners who want a do-over because they're trying to get on their league site from their iPhone and don't know what the hell they're doing.

Cool. Please post your rulebook. I'd like to see one that actually has a rule in place for every possible scenario.

 

[habsfan]

A commish needs to be able to hang his hat on a rule at the end of a day. In my opinion the job of the commish is to have rules in place that remove ALL subjective situations where the commish is responsible for making a judgement on something; that's what the rule book is for.

The minute you have to make a decision on something because your rules do not cover it, you, as the commish, have failed. Because you will not please both teams. Instead, you have to have a set of rules that all teams agree too before the season starts, and then when the issue comes up you can point to that rule. And if they have a problem with the rule, well, they should have brought it up in the preseason. Done.

Our rule for this reads,

Transactions – All transactions committed on the web site by an owner are final. There will be no “taking back” of

incorrectly dropped players or incorrect bid amounts. The responsibility is on the owner to verify all transactions both before and after submittal.

Because if you reverse this, the next time you will have an owner that maybe, oh, 8 hours later, says he made a mistake and just realized it, and you reversed it last year for the other team so he expects you to do it for him. No. Get a rule in place and hang your hat on it. This can't be repeated enough. The commish CAN'T be in a position where he has to make a judgement call. Put yourself in a position where you can point to a rule THAT ALL TEAMS HAVE AGREED TO. Done.

Nice slippery slope argument. A guy fat-fingers his phone and the next thing you know the league goes to hell in a handbasket right?I get texts on daily basis I can barely read to due this kind of stuff. Put down your stone tablets and use some common sense.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Just kick the whiner out of your league, he is ruining your league.