TobiasFunke
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I was assuming you meant there be equipment for scanning backpacks like at most security checkpoints.
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Mister Martie
Footballguy
FavreCo is more of a sociopath, imo.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Iod01, do I understand you correctly that you believe a return to corporal punishment will help prevent these events?
timschochet
Footballguy
This is true. I am offering knee-jerk solutions here. Not sure there is any other kind.
But am I overreacting at this point? There's been so many of these shootings. I get that they're all anecdotal, but is there really no way that we can deter some of them from happening?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why overstate the case?
Why arm teachers when a school can just have an armed guard? A guy with a uniform and a sidearm. Is this so awful?
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
Paulymaggs
Footballguy
This clown is easily one of the worst posters on here today. Doesn't look like obvious trolling; just plain mentally deficient.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The homecoming king.
So much for the outcast, ostracized loner. He had friends to begin with.
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
There is no cure.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Have we always during our teen years been so frail? Whatever happened to just crying it out at home with your parents/friends/counselors? Whatever happened to just taking an ### whuppin' and moving along? When did we become so frail that to right our wrongs we need to kill numerous people? I don't know what the triggers are for these people, but all of us have had our hearts broken, been the butt of a joke, not been included or left out of something, and we didn't think "You know what will teach everyone...me getting my Dad's gun and shooting everyone!"
There is no fix. We all just pray that it doesn't happen to our kid's school.
There is no fix. We all just pray that it doesn't happen to our kid's school.
lod01
Footballguy
Blah, blah, blah. Nothing to add.
Hey, is that a picture of you in your avatar? Talk about mentally deficient.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think some of this is perspective. We have had a murder epidemic among young blacks for quite a while now. It gets put off as consequences of gangs or the drug trade often but whatever the reason we have a lot of young black males shooting other young black males to settle disputes.
Young whites apparently take this to the school or mall often and take out more than one in rage. I am not sure what the difference is but we must have had at least a hundred young black men shot over the last couple years here and people hardly take notice.
timschochet
Footballguy
If he's the Homecoming King, we're talking about a popular kid here. The bullying issue really shouldn't apply. If the victims were his friends, however, there's obviously much more to this story. We may never know.
There is nothing we can do that will prevent this. We put convicted murderers in prison, knowing they have violent tendencies, and we can't stop them from killing each other behind bars. Sometimes you just have to accept the reality that people hell bent on causing problems will find a way to do so. Take reasonable preventive measures but know that despite your best efforts some of this will probably continue to happen. It's one of the unfortunate realities of living in a society with others.
timschochet
Footballguy
Some of us notice. But You're right; it doesn't make the news very often, because it happens almost every day.
lod01
Footballguy
Today's youth is growing up with no discipline, never being told no and an attitude of expecting things to just be handed to them. Then once it isn't they explode.
This current loser apparently was simply rejected for a date and he goes nuts.
What is your reason this is happening so much now?
Tobias Funke produced a wiki link that really shows the glaring increase in school shootings over just the last 5 years.
Officer Pete Malloy couldn't answer the question and neither could Limp Ditka.
Fennis
Footballguy
turns out someone can have a mental illness and still be freshman homecoming king
If he's the Homecoming King, we're talking about a popular kid here. The bullying issue really shouldn't apply. If the victims were his friends, however, there's obviously much more to this story. We may never know.
timschochet
Footballguy
I could accept this more easily if the numbers of school shootings stayed consistent throughout the years. But they haven't. In recent years they have gone up. Therefore, logic suggests there may be actions we can take to bring them back down.
You're right. But they're not on the school side IMO. While very raw in his presentation, lod01 has a point. We baby our kids and don't teach them things like life isn't fair. Then when something happens they aren't prepared for it and act out like 3 year olds. For people who don't believe in this nothing is going to change their minds. So be it. As far as dumping a crap load of money on this issue from the school side, I don't think there is anything that will make much of a difference.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Well we need our guns in case a law abiding citizen needs to protect their property. It is a right to won guns. So we are were we are...it is what it is. Anywho
timschochet
Footballguy
My main problem with what you wrote is that there are professional people who spend their entire careers studying the human mind, and I haven't encountered any of them suggesting that a lack of discipline is a reason for these events. Frankly, I only hear this stuff from conservative types who seem to yearn for a return to a perceived America in which somehow we were tougher because we engaged in corporal punishment against children. There appears to be no data to back this up.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I don't know about corporal punishment, but it does seem like lack of parent awareness and/or effectiveness in parenting is a common theme among many of these shootings. In this case, not only were the parents unaware of this guy's messed up state of mind, they also went out and bought him a gun. Time to start up the parent licensing/registration SJW bandwagon.
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Strange deal. Was he one of those over achievers that had success at everything? Then got turned down for a date and couldn't handle "failing"?
If he's the Homecoming King, we're talking about a popular kid here. The bullying issue really shouldn't apply. If the victims were his friends, however, there's obviously much more to this story. We may never know.
Or was he voted homecoming king as a class prank? Very odd.
Well, his middle name was "Carrie".........Strange deal. Was he one of those over achievers that had success at everything? Then got turned down for a date and couldn't handle "failing"?
If he's the Homecoming King, we're talking about a popular kid here. The bullying issue really shouldn't apply. If the victims were his friends, however, there's obviously much more to this story. We may never know.
Or was he voted homecoming king as a class prank? Very odd.
timschochet
Footballguy
but that's not what I wrote. Show me some data. Show me some noted child specialists or psychologists who make this claim. Show me anything besides conservative rhetoric. If there's actual evidence there I'm open to it.
ROFLMAO. You haven't shown any evidence of your assertion. Why don't you start, for once?
Alternatively, since you rarely if ever actually back up your own assertions with evidence, I'll make you a bet. If I show you evidence of what I've asserted you leave the board for a month.
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timschochet
Footballguy
i haven't made any assertion. You're the one who seems to believe this is caused by our society being too soft. I'm asking you to back that up.
Then take my bet. Otherwise, do your own research. I've told you a bunch of times I'm done doing it for you. Or stay ignorant. I have given up trying to convince you of anything. I made my point. But hey, let's just spend a few billion turning our schools in to prisons. That's a much better choice.
Not to defend Tim but I did a search at the university library online and couldn't find one journal article relating soft parenting or a soft society as a cause of violence. If anything the exact opposite is true in the literature...
I'm happy for both of you. I don't know what the definition of "soft" parenting is and I never said anything about discipline. I did say we baby our kids and don't prepare them for growing up, and I stand by that.
Ditkaless Wonders
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This seems to be some evidence that the grammar impaired become school shooters. Can we check the grades of other shooters to either confirm or disprove this hypothesis?Jaylen Fryberg @frybergj · Aug 20
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CurlyNight
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Don't know how you can do a no backpack as long as there are books, lunches, gym clothes, etc that the student needs to take back and forth...
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
1950's raising children and now
When I was a child, back in the Parenting Stone Age (a.k.a. the Parentocentric Era), your parents were the most important people in the family. They paid the bills, bought your clothes, prepared the food you ate, took care of you when you were sick, drove you to where you needed to be, tucked you in, and kissed you good night. They were essential.
Your parents acted like they were bigger than you were too, like they knew what they were doing and didn't need your help making decisions. In fact, your opinion really didn't matter much. When they spoke to you, they didn't bend down, grab their knees, and ask for your cooperation in a wheedling tone. They spoke in no uncertain terms, and they thought you were smart, so they only said anything once. The rule was very simple: They told you what to do, and you did it, because they said so.
Your mom and dad paid more attention to one another than they paid to you. You didn't think about that at all. It was just the way it was. But looking back, you sure are glad you weren't the center of the family universe. You were a satellite, orbiting around their solid presence. They even told you, on occasion, that you were just a little fish in a big pond. You didn't understand what that meant, of course, until you got out in the big pond and began to realize that putting oneself into proper perspective greatly improves one's life and the lives of those around him.
They bought you very little, so you appreciated everything you had. And you took care of it. When your bike broke, you figured out how to fix it. Or your dad fixed it. In either case, you understood you weren't getting a new one, not any time soon. You loved your mom and dad, but you left home as early as possible because you were absolutely certain you could make a better life for yourself than they were willing to make for you. And you were right!
Back then, elementary school classes often held more than 40 children, most of whom came to first grade not knowing their ABCs. Back then, your mother didn't give you much, if any, help with your homework. Yet at the end of first grade, and every subsequent grade in fact, those kids were outperforming today's kids in every subject, and today's moms think good moms help with homework.
Today's parents still pay the bills, buy the clothes, prepare the food, and so on, but by some strange twist, they treat their children as if they are the most important people in the family. Parents don't act bigger any more either. When they talk to their children, they get down to their level, like they're petitioning the king, and they whine, as in, "Do you think you can stop what you're doing for a minute and help Mommy carry in the groceries?" The rule seems very simple: Parents ask children to do things, and children take their requests under consideration.
Today's typical mom and dad pay a lot more attention to the children than they do to one another. They also talk more to them, do more for them, and take more interest in them. It would seem that today's parents are the satellites, orbiting around the children, who are obviously big fish and getting bigger all the time. And so, today's kids leave home later, and many of them come back home (the so-called "boomerang child") because they never learned certain fundamentals, as in don't spend more than you earn.
Sometimes people accuse me of what's called "Golden Age" thinking. I "idealize" the 1950s, they say. I disagree. I only say what is statistically verifiable: The 1950s was a better time for kids. According to mental health statistics, we were happier than today's kids, by far. In that regard, the latest research finds that obedient children are much happier than disobedient children. The latest research also finds that kids from homes where their parents' marriages are strong do better in school, regardless of IQ.
There I go again - idealizing common sense.
When I was a child, back in the Parenting Stone Age (a.k.a. the Parentocentric Era), your parents were the most important people in the family. They paid the bills, bought your clothes, prepared the food you ate, took care of you when you were sick, drove you to where you needed to be, tucked you in, and kissed you good night. They were essential.
Your parents acted like they were bigger than you were too, like they knew what they were doing and didn't need your help making decisions. In fact, your opinion really didn't matter much. When they spoke to you, they didn't bend down, grab their knees, and ask for your cooperation in a wheedling tone. They spoke in no uncertain terms, and they thought you were smart, so they only said anything once. The rule was very simple: They told you what to do, and you did it, because they said so.
Your mom and dad paid more attention to one another than they paid to you. You didn't think about that at all. It was just the way it was. But looking back, you sure are glad you weren't the center of the family universe. You were a satellite, orbiting around their solid presence. They even told you, on occasion, that you were just a little fish in a big pond. You didn't understand what that meant, of course, until you got out in the big pond and began to realize that putting oneself into proper perspective greatly improves one's life and the lives of those around him.
They bought you very little, so you appreciated everything you had. And you took care of it. When your bike broke, you figured out how to fix it. Or your dad fixed it. In either case, you understood you weren't getting a new one, not any time soon. You loved your mom and dad, but you left home as early as possible because you were absolutely certain you could make a better life for yourself than they were willing to make for you. And you were right!
Back then, elementary school classes often held more than 40 children, most of whom came to first grade not knowing their ABCs. Back then, your mother didn't give you much, if any, help with your homework. Yet at the end of first grade, and every subsequent grade in fact, those kids were outperforming today's kids in every subject, and today's moms think good moms help with homework.
Today's parents still pay the bills, buy the clothes, prepare the food, and so on, but by some strange twist, they treat their children as if they are the most important people in the family. Parents don't act bigger any more either. When they talk to their children, they get down to their level, like they're petitioning the king, and they whine, as in, "Do you think you can stop what you're doing for a minute and help Mommy carry in the groceries?" The rule seems very simple: Parents ask children to do things, and children take their requests under consideration.
Today's typical mom and dad pay a lot more attention to the children than they do to one another. They also talk more to them, do more for them, and take more interest in them. It would seem that today's parents are the satellites, orbiting around the children, who are obviously big fish and getting bigger all the time. And so, today's kids leave home later, and many of them come back home (the so-called "boomerang child") because they never learned certain fundamentals, as in don't spend more than you earn.
Sometimes people accuse me of what's called "Golden Age" thinking. I "idealize" the 1950s, they say. I disagree. I only say what is statistically verifiable: The 1950s was a better time for kids. According to mental health statistics, we were happier than today's kids, by far. In that regard, the latest research finds that obedient children are much happier than disobedient children. The latest research also finds that kids from homes where their parents' marriages are strong do better in school, regardless of IQ.
There I go again - idealizing common sense.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
We will never know, with any of these shooters. Going round and round analyzing the situation and all gets you so far. You can never know what goes on in a person's mind. Prime example here. 180 different of the profile given to mass shooters. It's all in what he perceived. I joked earlier about how you could have been nice to him and he could have taken it as you are mocking him/teasing him etc and that could have sent him over the edge. You just never know by the looks and even the tweets/social media of someone. I've seen tweets from some kid I know that puts out such stuff like he did. It could be he is a danger to himself and others or it could be he's just messing around from perhaps watching too much tv/video games. You will never know what happened. Only the shooter does and well he isn't around anymore to try and figure it out..
If he's the Homecoming King, we're talking about a popular kid here. The bullying issue really shouldn't apply. If the victims were his friends, however, there's obviously much more to this story. We may never know.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yes, the only thing that's changed about families since the 1950's is how parents relate to their children. No economic situations are different, no alterations in the demographics of the workforce, with inevitable impacts on family behaviors and structures, etc. Let's get back to treating children as simple minded pets, spend less time and attention on them - that'll fix everything.
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cstu
Footballguy
Kids who grew up in the 50's turned into the people who needed self-help books and anti-depressants in the 80's.1950's raising children and now
When I was a child, back in the Parenting Stone Age (a.k.a. the Parentocentric Era), your parents were the most important people in the family. They paid the bills, bought your clothes, prepared the food you ate, took care of you when you were sick, drove you to where you needed to be, tucked you in, and kissed you good night. They were essential.
Your parents acted like they were bigger than you were too, like they knew what they were doing and didn't need your help making decisions. In fact, your opinion really didn't matter much. When they spoke to you, they didn't bend down, grab their knees, and ask for your cooperation in a wheedling tone. They spoke in no uncertain terms, and they thought you were smart, so they only said anything once. The rule was very simple: They told you what to do, and you did it, because they said so.
Your mom and dad paid more attention to one another than they paid to you. You didn't think about that at all. It was just the way it was. But looking back, you sure are glad you weren't the center of the family universe. You were a satellite, orbiting around their solid presence. They even told you, on occasion, that you were just a little fish in a big pond. You didn't understand what that meant, of course, until you got out in the big pond and began to realize that putting oneself into proper perspective greatly improves one's life and the lives of those around him.
They bought you very little, so you appreciated everything you had. And you took care of it. When your bike broke, you figured out how to fix it. Or your dad fixed it. In either case, you understood you weren't getting a new one, not any time soon. You loved your mom and dad, but you left home as early as possible because you were absolutely certain you could make a better life for yourself than they were willing to make for you. And you were right!
Back then, elementary school classes often held more than 40 children, most of whom came to first grade not knowing their ABCs. Back then, your mother didn't give you much, if any, help with your homework. Yet at the end of first grade, and every subsequent grade in fact, those kids were outperforming today's kids in every subject, and today's moms think good moms help with homework.
Today's parents still pay the bills, buy the clothes, prepare the food, and so on, but by some strange twist, they treat their children as if they are the most important people in the family. Parents don't act bigger any more either. When they talk to their children, they get down to their level, like they're petitioning the king, and they whine, as in, "Do you think you can stop what you're doing for a minute and help Mommy carry in the groceries?" The rule seems very simple: Parents ask children to do things, and children take their requests under consideration.
Today's typical mom and dad pay a lot more attention to the children than they do to one another. They also talk more to them, do more for them, and take more interest in them. It would seem that today's parents are the satellites, orbiting around the children, who are obviously big fish and getting bigger all the time. And so, today's kids leave home later, and many of them come back home (the so-called "boomerang child") because they never learned certain fundamentals, as in don't spend more than you earn.
Sometimes people accuse me of what's called "Golden Age" thinking. I "idealize" the 1950s, they say. I disagree. I only say what is statistically verifiable: The 1950s was a better time for kids. According to mental health statistics, we were happier than today's kids, by far. In that regard, the latest research finds that obedient children are much happier than disobedient children. The latest research also finds that kids from homes where their parents' marriages are strong do better in school, regardless of IQ.
There I go again - idealizing common sense.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
I agree not enough attention, love, etc from his home environment certainly adds fuel to any fire that may be brewing. We were concerned about my 12 year old cousin's son when he was acting out violent stuff. Parents are divorced and it's been really rough on him. He loves violence. Got him into counseling, his parents as well separately and together, showered him with love and attention, and he's a new kid now. Still likes that stuff as it goes with most young tweens, but it no longer rules his world and he's a better person now.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
D_House
Footballguy
Nailed it.
cstu
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
So basically the countless experts...psychiatrists, psychologists, behavioral scientists, counselors, doctors, law enforcement officers, teachers, social workers, etc...who have been trying to figure out the cause(s) behind these horrible tragedies for decades have been wasting their time.
Yet some internet rockhead has it all figured out. All we need to do is to start beating the ever-loving #### out of kids when they misbehave.
Did I get that right?
Yet some internet rockhead has it all figured out. All we need to do is to start beating the ever-loving #### out of kids when they misbehave.
Did I get that right?
Hooper31
Footballguy
I haven't read the thread, but I did read a fascinating book about Columbine.
Is it a fair guess that the rush to judgment and reporting by media is resulting in people thinking they know exactly what and why when they probably need to wait awhile before passing judgment? Further, are people spouting their emotionally charged speculations about what's wrong with society that's causing violence like this?
Is it a fair guess that the rush to judgment and reporting by media is resulting in people thinking they know exactly what and why when they probably need to wait awhile before passing judgment? Further, are people spouting their emotionally charged speculations about what's wrong with society that's causing violence like this?
