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Fastest player to hit 600 career receptions, beating Harrison by 4 games.
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How quickly did Harrison pick up the pace after 600 though?Fastest player to hit 600 career receptions, beating Harrison by 4 games.
No he's not. And as they say, "it's not even close."_well, hes better than hines ward
lol, he's much better than Ward.No he's not. And as they say, "it's not even close."_well, hes better than hines ward
I love how Steeler fans pretend that Hines Ward is the only receiver who blocks downfield.Boldin is a much better receiver than Ward.Ward is solid, Boldin is great.Boldin is a somewhat better receiver than Ward. Ward is a much better football player than Boldin.
Lolololol...no he's not. And so you know, im not a steelers fan.lol, he's much better than Ward.No he's not. And as they say, "it's not even close."_well, hes better than hines ward
I would rank Q above Ward, Wayne, and Ochocinco. And that's not homerism as a Browns fan as Q is a Raven.Edited to add: I just looked and Ward has never led the league in any of the significant categories. He's a good receiver who is now regarded as Hall of Fame worthy because he's been good over an above average period of time.I like Q but in his 8 year career he has never led the league in any significant category (unless you think yards per game is significant). That might just be because he's only played two complete seasons, but it's a problem when it comes to getting votes. Great player, but where would you rank him among current WRs for his career or this year? Is he better than TO, Moss, AJ, Ward, Wayne, 85, or Fitz? Not in my top 5, probably not top 7. Besides, Fitz will probably take his record before the year's over.
Neither am I (nor a Cards/Ravens fan) but I think Boldin is a better receiver than Ward.Ward is a more consistent blocker, but don't let that fool you into thinking Boldin is not good at that part of his game. Ward is likely more durable, no? I don't know the numbers, but I would assume Ward stays healthier. Boldin also benefited from a more friendly system. Close but I like Boldin.Lolololol...no he's not. And so you know, im not a steelers fan.lol, he's much better than Ward.No he's not. And as they say, "it's not even close."_well, hes better than hines ward
Where in my post did I make any mention of blocking? Being a complete football player entails much more than blocking. Having said that, Ward is well ahead of Boldin in this area. Hell, Ward blocks better than some TEs and probably better than some of the crappy OL folks that have been on the Steelers roster the past 10 years.I love how Steeler fans pretend that Hines Ward is the only receiver who blocks downfield.Boldin is a much better receiver than Ward.Ward is solid, Boldin is great.Boldin is a somewhat better receiver than Ward. Ward is a much better football player than Boldin.
Must be fishing. Compare their numbers. Boldin is worlds better than Ward.Lolololol...no he's not. And so you know, im not a steelers fan.lol, he's much better than Ward.No he's not. And as they say, "it's not even close."_well, hes better than hines ward
Why is 81 such a better number than 86?Otis said:Must be fishing. Compare their numbers. Boldin is worlds better than Ward.
The media loves the guy. He's won two titles and a Super Bowl MVP (most overrated award ever btw). He has lots of intangibles that football writers love (tough, hard hitting, nice guy, leader, no off the field trouble). Unfortunately at this point he has a better chance than Boldin.Ward is one of the most overhyped players out there. He is a very good ball player - he is not, nor has ever been, great. And that takes into account his blocking as well. If it werent for Steeler nation, the hype wouldnt be nearly so high, but that combined with the team's very successful recent run really overstates Wards greatness.
That said, it is an interesting comparison between the two, although I think when all is said and done, Boldin will be viewed as the better WR - IF he can stay healthy.
No way Ward makes the Hall. Boldin, maybe. The fastest to 600 catches along with a decent number of TDs is pretty darn impressive, even if he doesnt have a chorus to overstate his (granted, very good) achievements.
I mean, who really cares about moving the football, anyway?FUBAR said:I like Q but in his 8 year career he has never led the league in any significant category (unless you think yards per game is significant).
DawgPoundNJ said:I'd say yes. He left Arizona as the leader of that franchise in receptions, even with Fitzgerald there. And his 6.1 receptions per game is best all-time.He separates himself in the fact that he's a WR built as a tight end and his ability to break tackles and do the tough things that diva-type WRs don't like to do. He's a new breed and definitely Hall of Fame worthy. Definitely great, not simply above average.
Believe he is the all time leader in Rec yards per game as well, definitely on pace.finito said:Nah. Great player, not hof worthy..
It is extremely difficult for a WR to get into the HOF, and Boldin is in an era where there are a bevy of terrific WRs. Marvin, TO, Moss will all get in before him. Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson are in the prime of their careers and may end up with bigger numbers. Guys like Ike Bruce and Torry Holt have had stellar careers and may be in the discussion. Roddy White is having an amazing season and has been very good/great for several years. Reggie Wayne, Calvin if he stays healthy should be terrific for years. There just isn't room for all of these guys and I don't think Boldin is in the top 2-3 of his peers. Great player, though.Believe he is the all time leader in Rec yards per game as well, definitely on pace.finito said:Nah. Great player, not hof worthy..
FUBAR said:Besides, Fitz will probably take his record before the year's over.
I just don't consider X per game during a season to be all that major a stat when looking at a career, at least not as much as total yardage or receptions or TDs. Let's say a guy plays 2 games and puts up 300 yards, did he have a great year?I mean, who really cares about moving the football, anyway?FUBAR said:I like Q but in his 8 year career he has never led the league in any significant category (unless you think yards per game is significant).
FUBAR said:Besides, Fitz will probably take his record before the year's over.Boldin got his 600th catch in his 98th game.
Fitz has 565 catches in 100 games played.
On October 12, 2003, made his 700th career reception against the Carolina Panthers. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 114 games. On November 8, 2004, made his 800th career reception against the Minnesota Vikings. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 131 games. On November 20, 2005, made his 900th career reception against the Cincinnati Bengals. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 149 career games. On December 10, 2006, made his 1000th reception against the Jacksonville Jaguars. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in just 167 career games. Boldin is 69 away from 700, and has 10 games to match Harrison.Harrison went from 600 to 700 in 12 games, then reached the next milestone in 17, 18, 18 games. If Boldin keeps his 6.1 rec/game pace, he won't match Harrison's 700th or 800th record, but will top his 900th.nysportsfan said:How quickly did Harrison pick up the pace after 600 though?Dr. Awesome said:Fastest player to hit 600 career receptions, beating Harrison by 4 games.
And that's only 4 seasons, he'd be 34. Problem is he's averaging 5 receptions per game this year. Which is more reasonable to predict he'd continue.On October 12, 2003, made his 700th career reception against the Carolina Panthers. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 114 games.nysportsfan said:How quickly did Harrison pick up the pace after 600 though?Dr. Awesome said:Fastest player to hit 600 career receptions, beating Harrison by 4 games.
On November 8, 2004, made his 800th career reception against the Minnesota Vikings. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 131 games.
On November 20, 2005, made his 900th career reception against the Cincinnati Bengals. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 149 career games.
On December 10, 2006, made his 1000th reception against the Jacksonville Jaguars. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in just 167 career games.
Boldin is 69 away from 700, and has 10 games to match Harrison.
Harrison went from 600 to 700 in 12 games, then reached the next milestone in 17, 18, 18 games.
If Boldin keeps his 6.1 rec/game pace, he won't match Harrison's 700th or 800th record, but will top his 900th.
He may have a better chance than Boldin, but lets see how their careers wind up. When you really examine Wards numbers, and then extrapolate what he brings outside of the numbers, I dont see him standing that much of a chance when you have the huge stats put forth in the modern passing game. Just my opinion.Boldin toiled in AZ where it was all Warner and Fitz. IF he somehow stays healthy and continues to lead the pace, he could end up like Art Monk - waiting a bit but eventually the numbers (and the productivity it meant in terms of winning football games) will be too compelling to ignore.The media loves the guy. He's won two titles and a Super Bowl MVP (most overrated award ever btw). He has lots of intangibles that football writers love (tough, hard hitting, nice guy, leader, no off the field trouble). Unfortunately at this point he has a better chance than Boldin.Ward is one of the most overhyped players out there. He is a very good ball player - he is not, nor has ever been, great. And that takes into account his blocking as well. If it werent for Steeler nation, the hype wouldnt be nearly so high, but that combined with the team's very successful recent run really overstates Wards greatness.
That said, it is an interesting comparison between the two, although I think when all is said and done, Boldin will be viewed as the better WR - IF he can stay healthy.
No way Ward makes the Hall. Boldin, maybe. The fastest to 600 catches along with a decent number of TDs is pretty darn impressive, even if he doesnt have a chorus to overstate his (granted, very good) achievements.
Yeah bringing Ward into the conversation just brings deranged Pitt fans out of the woodwork. They are the ONLY ones on the planet who think Ward is even close to Boldin. Ward is the Burt Blyleven of the NFL (consistently good, never even close to the top 5 at his position at any time in his career)The Comedian said:I love how Steeler fans pretend that Hines Ward is the only receiver who blocks downfield.Boldin is a much better receiver than Ward.Ward is solid, Boldin is great.Jagov said:Boldin is a somewhat better receiver than Ward. Ward is a much better football player than Boldin.
does it entail calling out your qb and insinuating hes a ##### for sitting out a game with a concussion?Jagov said:Where in my post did I make any mention of blocking? Being a complete football player entails much more than blocking. Having said that, Ward is well ahead of Boldin in this area. Hell, Ward blocks better than some TEs and probably better than some of the crappy OL folks that have been on the Steelers roster the past 10 years.The Comedian said:I love how Steeler fans pretend that Hines Ward is the only receiver who blocks downfield.Boldin is a much better receiver than Ward.Ward is solid, Boldin is great.Jagov said:Boldin is a somewhat better receiver than Ward. Ward is a much better football player than Boldin.
and dont forget theres already a backlog of guys like chris carter, tim brown, jimmy smith and mebbe a few others like andre reed, rod smith, driver, dmason who have a slim chance to get in and may steal some votes from biased voters.It is extremely difficult for a WR to get into the HOF, and Boldin is in an era where there are a bevy of terrific WRs. Marvin, TO, Moss will all get in before him. Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson are in the prime of their careers and may end up with bigger numbers. Guys like Ike Bruce and Torry Holt have had stellar careers and may be in the discussion. Roddy White is having an amazing season and has been very good/great for several years. Reggie Wayne, Calvin if he stays healthy should be terrific for years. There just isn't room for all of these guys and I don't think Boldin is in the top 2-3 of his peers. Great player, though.Believe he is the all time leader in Rec yards per game as well, definitely on pace.finito said:Nah. Great player, not hof worthy..
Problem is, the way he plays, he is already one foot in the grave...he could play until 33, but this is not your "35 and still good" kind of player. No knock against him and his skills, but in an era of great WRs, you need to play well into your 30s if you want to make history (aka HOF).If Q keeps up the production for 5 more years or more he will be a first or second ballot HOF'er. Mark my words. He is going to be way up the alltime rec's list.
But Ward is not one of them, as he isn't HOF worthy period.
Hines Ward is A HOFercvnpoka said:well, hes better than hines ward
I highly doubt it.Hines Ward is A HOFercvnpoka said:well, hes better than hines ward
SSOG had a great post about how much Ward's blocking meant to the Steelers and what a difference his intangibles actually made over an average blocking WR such as Boldin.
IIRC it worked out to be something like 6 yards a season and a FG every prime year.