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[Dan Lambskin]

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Thanks... I think @Aaron Rudnicki plays as well?

 

[mozzy84]

After watching Matthews destroy the canadiens last night he's looking like he will only go up from last year. Matthews, marchand, Ovi, Daisaitl would be my four.   Next round maybe look at another goalie.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

never too early to draft Eichel imo

 

[belljr]

I haven't played in years and I miss it.

However, I don't follow the league that closely anymore so would probably suck at it

 

[Gottabesweet]

never too early to draft Eichel imo

Ideally I'd grab a top level forward at 4 overall and come back with Eichel next round and then end up with a goalie in the 5th round (3rd round of draft)

 

[Dickie Dunn]

If your draft is anything like the one we do here, goalies will be at a premium even though you already have one. With only 10 teams maybe not as much, but don't wait too long.

I would aim for Benn or Seguin at No. 4, then maybe one of the stud D in the next round -- particularly if Weber or Doughty still are there.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I would aim for Seguin at No. 4

I knew it

 

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If your draft is anything like the one we do here, goalies will be at a premium even though you already have one. With only 10 teams maybe not as much, but don't wait too long.

I would aim for Benn or Seguin at No. 4, then maybe one of the stud D in the next round -- particularly if Weber or Doughty still are there.

Yeah it's 10 teams, seems very win based.  5 for goalie wins, 0.2 per save and -1 a goal.  I do have Jake Allen.... Dubnyk, Talbot or Rask could be there at 1.4 with the first two having high Vegas team win totals. 

Last year 7 goalies kept in the first two rounds of keepers

This year 10

I think early I'm leaning now - Forward, D, goalie,

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Ideally I'd grab a top level forward at 4 overall and come back with Eichel next round and then end up with a goalie in the 5th round (3rd round of draft)

um, Eichel is a top level forward. was 11th in ppg last year and led the league in shots/game.

 

[Bill Brasky]

this leeg sounds dumb.  you should play your magic hockeys in the FFA

 

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um, Eichel is a top level forward. was 11th in ppg last year and led the league in shots/game.

I'm aware. I just can't justify taking him over Ovechkin, Benn, or Seguin? or a top 5 goalie at 1.4

The homer in me really wants to, I can then change my team name to McEichel

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I knew it

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm aware. I just can't justify taking him over Ovechkin, Benn, or Seguin? or a top 5 goalie at 1.4

The homer in me really wants to, I can then change my team name to McEichel

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-fantasy-hockey-center-rankings-2017-18/c-290840574

Eichel > Seguin

That said, the gap is closing because of young centers Auston Matthews (Toronto Maple Leafs) and Jack Eichel (Buffalo Sabres). Eichel (on a per-game basis) and Matthews covered goals, points, power-play points and shots on goal at elite levels, making each well worth a first-round pick in any format. The center position remains extremely deep, with Mark Scheifele (Winnipeg Jets), John Tavares (New York Islanders) and Tyler Seguin (Dallas Stars) attainable in the second round with top 10 overall upside.

1. Connor McDavid, C, EDM
2. Sidney Crosby, C, PIT
3. Auston Matthews, C, TOR
4. Evgeni Malkin, C, PIT
5. Jack Eichel, C, BUF
6. Nicklas Backstrom, C, WSH
7. Tyler Seguin, C/RW, DAL
8. Mark Scheifele, C, WPG
9. John Tavares, C, NYI
10. Steven Stamkos, C, TBL

 

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https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-fantasy-hockey-center-rankings-2017-18/c-290840574

Eichel > Seguin

That said, the gap is closing because of young centers Auston Matthews (Toronto Maple Leafs) and Jack Eichel (Buffalo Sabres). Eichel (on a per-game basis) and Matthews covered goals, points, power-play points and shots on goal at elite levels, making each well worth a first-round pick in any format. The center position remains extremely deep, with Mark Scheifele (Winnipeg Jets), John Tavares (New York Islanders) and Tyler Seguin (Dallas Stars) attainable in the second round with top 10 overall upside.

Interesting.  I suppose I could take Matthews at 1.4, but he and Eichel are close.  The tie goes to the guy I can watch all year.

Maybe I'll rank them Eichel, Matthews, Ovechkin, Benn

And then in Round 4 grab my 2nd goalie (Talbot, Dubnyk, Rask, Gibson, Anderson, Rinne, Vasilevskiy) best available.

What helps is that 10 goalies are already taking.  8 teams have 1,   1 team has 2, and 1 team has 0.

I bought the Rotowire app - It projects Eichel at 211 points,  Ovechkin 289, Marchand 264, Benn 241, Seguin 241, Matthews 241, Pavelski 240...

Eichel is 37th overall. 

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I bought the Rotowire app - It projects Eichel at 211 points,  Ovechkin 289, Marchand 264, Benn 241, Seguin 241, Matthews 241, Pavelski 240...

Eichel is 37th overall. 

sounds like something is wrong with your league's scoring system.

 

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sounds like something is wrong with your league's scoring system.

I'm not sure what I'd compare it to.

3 for goals, 2 for assists, 1 for PPG, +1-1 for +/-

They project Eichel at 30 goals, 39 assists -  12 PPG and a -5  - 211 points

Seems like a fair projection.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Yeah, I don't see Eichel being anywhere near any of the other Fs you listed based on that scoring system -- aside from maybe Draisaitl. I don't see how you take him ahead of any of Ovie, Matthews, Seguin, Benn or even Marchand. I might even take Josi ahead of him.

Tough call ... he's probably too good to slip to the 2nd round but I can't see him going at No. 4. But that's just me.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Yeah, I don't see Eichel being anywhere near any of the other Fs you listed based on that scoring system -- aside from maybe Draisaitl. I don't see how you take him ahead of any of Ovie, Matthews, Seguin, Benn or even Marchand. I might even take Josi ahead of him.

Tough call ... he's probably too good to slip to the 2nd round but I can't see him going at No. 4. But that's just me.

ESPN has Marchand ranked 5th overall (4th among skaters) with 38g, 42a

http://games.espn.com/fhl/tools/projections?display=alt&startIndex=0

FWIW, they have Seguin at 32g,41a and Eichel at 28g, 38a

also Benn 38g, 50a and Ovechkin 37g, 32a

 

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ESPN has Marchand ranked 5th overall (4th among skaters) with 38g, 42a

http://games.espn.com/fhl/tools/projections?display=alt&startIndex=0

FWIW, they have Seguin at 32g,41a and Eichel at 28g, 38a

also Benn 38g, 50a and Ovechkin 37g, 32a

Eichel 58th overall - These rankings look are ranking goalies higher than most.  Seems more in-line.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I have my doubts that Marchand will be able to repeat those kind of numbers this season, but we'll see.

Anyway, it's the disparity in goals scored for all of those guys in that scoring system that would make it impossible for me to take Eichel ahead of any of them.

 

[General Malaise]

Draft.  All.  Oilers.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I have my doubts that Marchand will be able to repeat those kind of numbers this season, but we'll see.

Anyway, it's the disparity in goals scored for all of those guys in that scoring system that would make it impossible for me to take Eichel ahead of any of them.

last year Eichel scored 24 goals in 61 games played. That's a rate of 32 goals in an 82 game season.

He averaged over 4 shots on goal/game. You don't think he can improve his shot % enough to hit 35+ goals?

 

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I have my doubts that Marchand will be able to repeat those kind of numbers this season, but we'll see.

Anyway, it's the disparity in goals scored for all of those guys in that scoring system that would make it impossible for me to take Eichel ahead of any of them.

Agree here, I'd be shying away from Marchand here.

It's really coming down to a Top 5 goalie,  Ovechkin but age slightly factors in here,  and Matthews/Eichel/Benn/Seguin

 

[Dickie Dunn]

last year Eichel scored 24 goals in 61 games played. That's a rate of 32 goals in an 82 game season.

He averaged over 4 shots on goal/game. You don't think he can improve his shot % enough to hit 35+ goals?

Sure he can. But those ESPN rankings you posted have him at 28. That's a 30-point difference from Benn and Marchand just in that one category.

Obviously all projections are a crap shoot. TSN projects him to 31 goals, but that's still fewer than any of those guys listed. Even if he reaches 35, is that worth the gamble that he finishes ahead of any/all of those other players? I'm not sure I would take that bet.

Like I said, tough call for a Sabres fan who obviously loves the guy. I just don't think No. 4 is the right spot for him, and he'll probably be gone before it gets back to him.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Sure he can. But those ESPN rankings you posted have him at 28. That's a 30-point difference from Benn and Marchand just in that one category.

Obviously all projections are a crap shoot. TSN projects him to 31 goals, but that's still fewer than any of those guys listed. Even if he reaches 35, is that worth the gamble that he finishes ahead of any/all of those other players? I'm not sure I would take that bet.

Like I said, tough call for a Sabres fan who obviously loves the guy. I just don't think No. 4 is the right spot for him, and he'll probably be gone before it gets back to him.

I wouldn't take him at 4 either most likely (in this format), but he's not going to slide much past that imo.

he's going to have a big year.

 

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Drafting tonight - re-input my settings @Aaron Rudnicki you were right I did mess up with one category.

Available players -  Ovechkin (235) Marchand (225)  Matthews (211)  Seguin (208)  -    8 guys 185 to 204

D - Weber 199, Hamilton 193, Klingberg 191, Byfuglien 191, Doughty 188, Josi 188 - then a drop 6 guys from 163-176

Goalies - Talbot 396, Dubnyk 360, Rask 355, Gibson 348. Anderson 338, Rinne 337, Vasilevskiy 320 then a drop.

So based on the D being worth so much and the position scarcity.

My top 4 in round 3 (first round after keepers)  tonight would be -  Talbot, Matthews, Ovechkin, Dubnyk. -

Then round 4 D-man

Round 5 - D-man or goalie depending on round

 

[Gottabesweet]

D get an extra 2 points per goals and 1 point per assist...

Shea Weber's projected 199 points really elevates him possibly into that top 4.

Weber at 199 points or Matthews at 211 when there's 6 other forwards+ in Matthews range.

 

[Gottabesweet]

How'd I do guys?

Mcdavid (Keeper)

Seguin

Draisaltl

Monahan

Radulov

Zuccarello

Josi

Hamilton

Trouba

Seth Jones

Allen (Keeper)

Talbot 

bench.  Burakovsky, Kopitar, Wennberg, Suter, Klefboom, Darling 

Thoughts? 

 

[Bill Brasky]

needs more Coyle

 

[Chemical X]

charlie coyle

 

[RokNRole]

Have you thought about trading for Gates?

 

[NYRAGE]

How'd I do guys?

Mcdavid (Keeper)

Seguin

Draisaltl

Monahan

Radulov

Zuccarello

Josi

Hamilton

Trouba

Seth Jones

Allen (Keeper)

Talbot 

bench.  Burakovsky, Kopitar, Wennberg, Suter, Klefboom, Darling 

Thoughts? 

I had one draft last night and another on Saturday. I love that you got Talbot. The Pacific has some low scoring teams including Vegas.

All things considered, you're lucky to have gotten a player of Seguin's quality with your first pick. Not sure how your draft played out, so hard to say. Where did Eichel go?  I'm a big Draisaitl fan. Off McDavid's line would hurt, but still lethal on that powerplay.

 

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I had one draft last night and another on Saturday. I love that you got Talbot. The Pacific has some low scoring teams including Vegas.

All things considered, you're lucky to have gotten a player of Seguin's quality with your first pick. Not sure how your draft played out, so hard to say. Where did Eichel go?  I'm a big Draisaitl fan. Off McDavid's line would hurt, but still lethal on that powerplay.

I took Talbot at 1.4  (So the 24th player overall)

I took Seguin at 2.7

Eichel went 3.6  (I took Josi 2 picks prior)  Our D get 2 extra points for goals, and 1 extra for assists.

 

[Gottabesweet]

needs more Coyle

Coyle is a free agent:

Would you drop  Zuccarello, Radulov, Kopitar, Wennberg, Burakovsky for him?

We only get 3pts per goal, 1 extra for PPG, and 2 for assists, and plus/minus.

 

[NYRAGE]

I think the Coyle comment was a joke.

I thought you wanted Eichel with your second pick.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

how many owners in this league? feels like a 6-person league.

 

[Gottabesweet]

I think the Coyle comment was a joke.

I thought you wanted Eichel with your second pick.

Ended up taking Seguin.  Prob should have taken Eichel.  Maybe I can trade Seguin for Eichel and get a small upgrade elsewhere.

 

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how many owners in this league? feels like a 6-person league.

10

 

[Gottabesweet]

I think the Coyle comment was a joke.

I thought you wanted Eichel with your second pick.

Trying Seguin and Darling for Vasielevsky (sp. TB goalie) and Eichel.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Traded:

Monahan (4th Forward)

Zuccarello (6th Forward)

Kopitar (Bench Forward)

For  Marchand, Djoos, and Hunwick (the last two players I'll drop for bench forwards)

 

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Pick 2 to add in a points league  (Rank top 5)   @Aaron Rudnicki  @NYRAGE @Dickie Dunn  primarily bench guys, so upside is nice.

Evander Kane - 1st PP unit and 1st line.

Nino Niederreiter

Alex DeBrincat - playing with Kane for how long?

Matt Duchene - 1st line, 1st PP, bad plus/-

Tomas Meier

Shea Theodore

Dadonov - 1st line and 1st PP unit.

Vrana - playing with Ovechkin.

Muzzin

Brodie

Gudas

Eberle - 1st line and 1st pp unit

Strome (EDM) - playing with McDavid.

Jonathan Marchessault

Clayton Keller - sleeper?

Jenner

Sam- Bennett - Finally a break out?

Trocheck

Sam Reinhart - currently line 3....

 

[NYRAGE]

Pick 2 to add in a points league  (Rank top 5)   @Aaron Rudnicki  @NYRAGE @Dickie Dunn  primarily bench guys, so upside is nice.

Evander Kane - 1st PP unit and 1st line. Good for goals, shots and PIMs, Bad at everything else

Nino Niederreiter Good improvement last year. Solid player.

Alex DeBrincat - playing with Kane for how long? Last I saw, he was not on Kane's line after all and who knows if he sticks around past 9 games.

Matt Duchene - 1st line, 1st PP, bad plus/- What a terrible season last year.  That +/- can kill you for the pts he puts up. Worth it???

Tomas Meier - Timo?

Shea Theodore He might be a year away from a breakout, but should get plenty of opportunities

Dadonov - 1st line and 1st PP unit. On a great line. I like him.

Vrana - playing with Ovechkin. Potential to break out. Kind of want to see it first.

Muzzin Coming off a terrible season

Brodie meh

Gudas Only if your PIMs are weighted like a goal.

Eberle - 1st line and 1st pp unit  - Mr. Softee does offer up some potential playing with JT

Strome (EDM) - playing with McDavid. Was practicing on a lower line. pass

Jonathan Marchessault Will get plenty of playing time, but could end up minus 40+

Clayton Keller - sleeper? I would need to see him play for a while first

Jenner  Hurt and coming off a bad year. Would need to see him play well again.

Sam- Bennett - Finally a break out? Doubt it

Trocheck - Maybe, but questionable linemates and +/-

Sam Reinhart - currently line 3.... Not while on the third line

 

[Gottabesweet]

Thanks!  Ended up claiming Eberle and Duchene.  I'd only really play Duchene in weeks he plays 4 games if that.  I'm hoping he gets traded, wonder the odds.

Basically each week I'll be deciding between Eberle/Duchene/Wennberg/Burakovsky for one lineup spot.

 

[chet]

um, Eichel is a top level forward. was 11th in ppg last year and led the league in shots/game.

last year Eichel scored 24 goals in 61 games played. That's a rate of 32 goals in an 82 game season.

He averaged over 4 shots on goal/game. You don't think he can improve his shot % enough to hit 35+ goals?

Dobber has JE getting 30 goals and 45 assists this year--around 10th in the league points.

For perspective, I had him valued at $66 in our league with McDavid being worth around $115.  We also count PIMs and +/- which hurts JE.  

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I had Eichel ranked 10th overall for our draft last night ... he went eighth (one pick before me). But as I posted up thread, a scoring system such as his that awards goals more than assists will make a significant difference as opposed to ours where you are balancing his contributions across eight different categories.

I agree that Plus-Minus will be the biggest thing that hurts Eichel in Roto-style leagues this season.