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Any Superstar WR in this years Draft? (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Peterson
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Malcom Kelly. Count on it.
EBF
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Really? 3. Terrell Owens - 3rd round6. TJ Houshmandzadeh - 7th round8. Marques Colston - 7th round9. Brandon Marshall - 4th round10. Wes Welker - UDFA14. Derrick Mason - 4th round 16. Steve Smith - 3rd round17. Kevin Curtis - 3rd round 20. Jerricho Cotchery - 4th round21. Shaun McDonald - 4th round23. Donald Driver - 7th round 25. Bernard Berrian - 3rd round 28. Hines Ward - 3rd round
Zoomanji
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I misunderstood what he wrote.Still, I stand by my initial point. If there's going to be a superstar WR in this class, it will be someone out of left field like Colston or Marshall. The obvious first round guys just don't have the Fitzgerald/Edwards/AJ type talent IMO.
I think we had the same point.If you're going to have an attitude problem like Randy, Chad, or TO, you better be able to back it up with skills, one of which includes speed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kelly ends up doing nothing at all.
FUBAR
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the next superstar is not a "can't miss". Out of the "elite" prospects, I like Hardy if I'm shooting for the moon.
SproutDaddy
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Earl Bennett
sholditch
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Don't think any of them are going to be superstars, but I think Bennett is being overlooked.big country
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browntown
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There isn't any can't miss guys. A few months ago I would have said Devin Thomas has some real potential when he was pencilled in for the 2nd round. Now that he's getting a mid 1st grade, he's almost risky at that point. He's light years behind Calvin Johnson as a prospect, and he'll be the first one off the board anyway, which should say something. I see some Robert Meachem in him (read: not a good thing)
I like James Hardy if he falls to the top of the 2nd. Very intriguing package. I like Andre Caldwell if he falls to the late 2nd.
If Manningham and/or Kelly fell to the mid 3rd or later, that would be a pretty good gamble for someone! Heavy bust potential there though.
I like James Hardy if he falls to the top of the 2nd. Very intriguing package. I like Andre Caldwell if he falls to the late 2nd.
If Manningham and/or Kelly fell to the mid 3rd or later, that would be a pretty good gamble for someone! Heavy bust potential there though.
offdee
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He's white. (bring on the "but, Wes Welker blah, blah, blah..." comments)We're talking "superstar" WR's here that will not be playing with one of the best QB's ever in the most prolific offenses ever. Not gonna happen.
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Zoomanji
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You didn't understand the post either 
EBF
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If Sweed is so good, why didn't he have a better college career? He was okay at UT, but nothing special.
Roy was a lot better in college and he's only a fringe top 10-15 WR in the NFL.
Sweed can be a good starter in the NFL, but I don't see the TO/Moss/Boldin caveman type stuff to make him a star.
Roy was a lot better in college and he's only a fringe top 10-15 WR in the NFL.
Sweed can be a good starter in the NFL, but I don't see the TO/Moss/Boldin caveman type stuff to make him a star.
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This is the exact reason why I would not take anyone prior to mid-2nd round. Even the "experts" are having a hard time agreeing on the best prospect (I can't remember the last time the 1-5 ranked WRs have changed order this much leading up to the draft), so I agree with EBF in that the stud of the class could easily (and probably will be) someone that is picked in rounds 3-4.
twitch
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There will be guys from this class that become producers, even though right now no one is standing out. But Devin Thomas is without a doubt the one guy Id be a little disappointed with if he DIDNT turn out to be a stud. He's a JUCO guy, so he didnt have a long history at Michigan State. He only put up #s for one year, and it was in a new offense. But that guy has STUD written all over him.
While Buffalo certainly has other needs than WR, I think theyll be missing out if they pass up on this man to be their possession receiver opposite Lee Evans. DT is exactly the kind of player this team desperately needs to help Evans out. Without question, he'd be the first WR Id be drafting in a dynasty/keeper.
While Buffalo certainly has other needs than WR, I think theyll be missing out if they pass up on this man to be their possession receiver opposite Lee Evans. DT is exactly the kind of player this team desperately needs to help Evans out. Without question, he'd be the first WR Id be drafting in a dynasty/keeper.
Ditkaless Wonders
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I believe much of the "expert" opinion this year on W.R. is based upon all the busts at he position the experts have touted the last few years. this is backlash. I've seen the same happen at R.B., Q.B., L.B., and C.B. The experts shy away for a time after having been burned and then start to return after missing out on stars.
The experts now want safe picks, can't miss guys, and they see that in linemen. for a time it was offensive tackles and defensive ends. lately it has been guards and defensive tackles. the cycle will continue and move back around.
I'm not saying their are not also cucles in talent, just that perception is driven by experience in the recent past.
The experts now want safe picks, can't miss guys, and they see that in linemen. for a time it was offensive tackles and defensive ends. lately it has been guards and defensive tackles. the cycle will continue and move back around.
I'm not saying their are not also cucles in talent, just that perception is driven by experience in the recent past.
bcr8f
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Depends on where they go. I'm interested in who SF picks.I misunderstood what he wrote.Still, I stand by my initial point. If there's going to be a superstar WR in this class, it will be someone out of left field like Colston or Marshall. The obvious first round guys just don't have the Fitzgerald/Edwards/AJ type talent IMO.
Couch Potato
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Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me. 
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RudeDog
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BS excuse - sounds more like a racist comment than a valid talent observation. He had good combine numbers - comparable to anyone else there.
Dirty Weasel
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It may sound racist, but take a look at the numbers. In my league over the last 3 seasons, only 4 white WR's made it into the top 30. Welker (WR10) and Curtis (WR18) did it last year. Furrey (WR14) did it in 2006. Jurevicius (WR26) and Curtis (WR27) did it in 2005. Only Kevin Curtis has been in the top 30 twice. There have been 23 black WR's with 2 or more top-30 finishes in the last 3 years.BS excuse - sounds more like a racist comment than a valid talent observation. He had good combine numbers - comparable to anyone else there.
Anthony Borbely
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Sack-Religious
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Wouldn't that also have something to do with the ratio of black to white WR's in the NFL? The numbers you provided, don't lie, but they also don't tell the whole story. If there was a 50-50 split between black and white WR's in the NFL, there would probably be more weight in your assertion.It may sound racist, but take a look at the numbers. In my league over the last 3 seasons, only 4 white WR's made it into the top 30. Welker (WR10) and Curtis (WR18) did it last year. Furrey (WR14) did it in 2006. Jurevicius (WR26) and Curtis (WR27) did it in 2005. Only Kevin Curtis has been in the top 30 twice. There have been 23 black WR's with 2 or more top-30 finishes in the last 3 years.BS excuse - sounds more like a racist comment than a valid talent observation. He had good combine numbers - comparable to anyone else there.
sholditch
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twitch
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The next Plaxico Burress? Could be. It seems like the entire position is being a little overshadowed this year. Some of that could be due to the depth at other positions like Oline and cornerback. But it could also be due to so many recent early WR picks just BUSTing at an intolerable level. But Id be willing to bet there will be as many quality NFL WRs come out of this draft as probably any other. They just wont be drafted as high. But Id roll with guys like your man Hardy or Bubba Caldwell or Thomas or Bennett. Limas Sweed could turn out to be a stud. His value has really fallen because of the injured wrist. Could be a bigtime 2nd round steal there for someone. I just caught an interview of him the other day and he sounded like a grounded, solid kid. Yep. There's plenty of talent at the WR position this year. Theyre just slipping between the cracks.
Couch Potato
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Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
no elite wrs right now, but there is the talent to see a jennings type wr that can be had later. this is why i wont even consider drafting a wr in the 1st round of any rookie draft. i'd much rather grab one of the rbs before they are all gone, and the wr talent will probably be spread out from the late 1st through the end of the 3rd or later.
sholditch
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Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
Kid's going to be good.
EBF
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2nd round is pretty likely for Doucet.Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
Couch Potato
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Right, that's what I've been seeing. Mid-to-late 2nd round or so.He was one of the highly regarded WRs coming into 2007, but some injury issues (a hammy and something else I think) had him missing 4 games and dropped his numbers. But he was a stud at LSU, and he has a sort of thick strong body for a 6'0" WR which will, I think, allow him to get off the line of scrimmage. He has some slick moves and quick change of direction to get open too. One LSU coach (I forget if it was the HC or not) recently said he thinks Doucet was a better player than 1st round LSU guys from last year, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis.2nd round is pretty likely for Doucet.Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
Kid's going to be good.
Chaos Commish
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Didn't your opinion of Doucet deteriorate to one of your more colorful evaluations. "Doucet is trash" Something like that?EBF said:2nd round is pretty likely for Doucet.sholditch said:Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
EBF
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Trash is overly harsh. He has a high floor and is a decent bet to become a starting WR in the NFL.What I don't see is a lot of upside. To me he's a lot closer to Arnaz Battle than Anquan Boldin.Didn't your opinion of Doucet deteriorate to one of your more colorful evaluations. "Doucet is trash" Something like that?EBF said:2nd round is pretty likely for Doucet.sholditch said:Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.
Chaos Commish
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Yeah, I pretty much rank with a major emphasis on upside and Doucet isn't in my top 10. He seems safe, but not solid, and far from a big time NFL playmaker. I won't be surprised if he falls a bit in this draft. There's such a crowd of WRs apparently sharing a tier, I could see him in the second, I could see him in the 4th.Trash is overly harsh. He has a high floor and is a decent bet to become a starting WR in the NFL.What I don't see is a lot of upside. To me he's a lot closer to Arnaz Battle than Anquan Boldin.Didn't your opinion of Doucet deteriorate to one of your more colorful evaluations. "Doucet is trash" Something like that?EBF said:2nd round is pretty likely for Doucet.sholditch said:Where is he projected to go? I would love the Bears to get him with one of their third rounders but there's no way he should last that long.Damn straight. Everybody's talking about Thomas and Sweed right now, but 4 years from now this is the guy everyone will wish they had.Don't be late on Early.Doucet. Truuuuuuuuuust me.Kid's going to be good.
big country
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Hmmm he was top 10 in non PPR Leagues. Id imagine PPR leagues as well
Horses Mouth
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sholditch
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Gold Plated Nails
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^^ This is the correct answer
ya, maybe he'll turn out to be a poor mans Matt Jones.BS excuse - sounds more like a racist comment than a valid talent observation. He had good combine numbers - comparable to anyone else there.
