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Anybody starting Nick Foles? (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Awesome
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It's either Foles, Skelton, Cassel, or waiting to see if one of the other league backups will be starting. Not loving any of my options. I'm skeptical of a rookie playing behind Philly's o-line, even if Reid is allegedly changing the playcalling to quick passes, screens, and slants.
But you can rest assured that Foles will get 40 pass attempts on Sunday (assuming the Eagles' OL doesn't get him killed before then). Reid can't help himself. He could be reduced to pulling a guy out of the end-zone seats to start at QB and he'd still dial up 40 pass plays a game, minimum. Bad for the Eagles, but good for fantasy purposes.Honestly, whether I'd pick Foles up over one of the other guys on your list would have a lot to do with how much help I thought I'd need to win my matchup this week. A guy like Skelton or Cassel is probably good for 8-10 points and not much more, so if the rest of my lineup was likely not to need much help to win, I'd be tempted to go that route.If I'm an underdog on the week, or I'm 40 points out of a wild-card spot in the standings right now, I'd be all over Foles. With all the times he'll put it up, his downside is probably limited to the low single-digits, and you could catch lightning in a bottle and get a 25-point day out of him. Plus, even if he's running mainly three-step drops and screens, Shady is always a threat to take a 2-yard swing pass to the house, and those yards count just the same as any others.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Starting him in a 2QB league along with Luck, where I also have Cutler and Russell Wilson. Picked him up on the waiver wire and figured that he's a better option than Leftwich or Campbell(both still available). I'll add that I only prefer him over the other 2 for this week only. Best matchup IMO.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Bold move. I don't think Foles looked that great last week. Sure he was coming in unprepared. And this week he'll be able to game plan for his opponent. But so will the Redskins. I have no facts to back this up but I've always been under the impression Reid becomes more balanced when his starter gets hurt.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
I'd roll with the Folester in both ....more dynamic offense ... the ceiling is highest, imo.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
True, but I'm comfortably in the playoffs and leading the league at 7-1. Figured I could gamble for 1 week as I have a great 'rest of lineup'. I don't like either Campbell or Leftwich longterm and favor Russell Wilson over them both until Cutler is back playing.
it really depends on what kind of league you are in.I'd suggest hes really only startable in a 2 QB league(everyone starts 2 QB's)we barely know what the kid can do. I am sure he'll put up at least adequate numbers, but I cant see him putting up QB1 numbers. If you are desparate, Skelton is probably the guy you want. puts up yards and TD, but also a lot of INT's. depending on your scoring system, he may be worth a look.
packersfan
Footballguy
Starting him with Freeman in my Start-2 QB league ahead of Bradford. Great matchup and fully expect Reid to have Foles chucking it all over the place Sunday.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think he has Top 15 upside this week. With so many QBs hurt and Eli on a bye I think Foles is very viable in any format this week. Definitely risky but viable.
Wrong forum.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Dynasty with deep benches lost Vick and Ben, starting him. Campbell or Leftwich only waiver options. Have trade offer out for Freeman. Will probably win this week regardless.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Thought about Tannehill but decided to give Foles a shot (Vick-Tannehill-Foles on roster). Won't take much after tonight to make me feel good about that decision.
Dez
Footballguy
Well when Big Ben was your QB and the waiver wire only has Foles, Tannehill, Skeleton, Leftwich and Campbell as options who would you start ?I am going to have to go with Foles...Tannehill was a consderation thank god I didn't go with him. Skeleton is the only other option
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MAC_32
Footballguy
rookie, day 3 pick, team crumbling at the seams, statue playing behind a line that can't block, mistake prone, trouble reading the field, college game was too fast for him, caves under pressure, bad plays come in bunches. Unless you owned two of Cutler, Eli, Vick, and ben and the wire is bone dry he is not an option
MAC_32
Footballguy
Obviously of no help this year but this is why I always make backing up my qb a priority
plasticman
Footballguy
Bradford!
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Skelton looks mighty tempting. Am I the only one leaning that way instead of Foles?
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree with most of that. On the other hand, the matchup is great, the Eagles do have plenty of weapons and Reid loves throwing the ball a ton. Pure volume alone could get Foles plenty of production. I think he has a lot of potential this week but I agree he's not a lock and shouldn't viewed as such.
Bud
Footballguy
As a one week fill in I think Skelton is a better option than Foles. I couldn't bring myself to do either and traded for RGIII. Planning for postseason as an Eli/Vick owner.Skelton looks mighty tempting. Am I the only one leaning that way instead of Foles?
What about a deep league where you had Vick as your QB1, Roethlisberger as your QB2, and there was nothing on the WW (Skelton, Kolb, and Gabbert, Leftwich, & Campbell)? Don't you think that's a case where he'd be a consideration?
I could very easily see a mediocre real-life performance from Foles (say 6 YPA with more INTs than TDs) that winds up something like 22-38, 228 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT on the stat line (doubly so if the Eagles get behind early). Well, even a line like that gets you 11 points in a standard league or 15 in a 6-point TD league. You're fooling yourself if you think Skelton has a ceiling much above that.If you need a sure 10 points this week to win, sure, Skelton's probably more likely to give 'em to you. If you think you're gonna need 20, you could do worse than rolling the dice on Fat Andy's playcalling.
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coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
My sources indicate Nick Foles with be straight up mack daddy pimpin this weekend. All out air assault. MoTown Philly back again!!!!!
MAC_32
Footballguy
If I were in that spot I would exhaust every trade option available, how desperate I got would depend where I am in the playoff race. i.e. if I need to finish 2-1 or 3-1 to make it I'd sell a good player at another position (RB or WR) for someone's backup QB and a WR or RB replacement I can at least start. Thinking something like Mathews for Carson and Green-Ellis or Roddy for Bradford and Mike Williams. Something like that.If I were in a good spot to make the playoffs I would analyze the playoff matchups to death and pick out a few potential good ones, go after those guys, and use my good players with weaker matchups as bait.Again, a note for the future, if your league is this thin at QB you should consider going 3 deep next year. I have one redraft like this, started with Vick, Locker, and Fitzpatrick. I was wary of Vick losing his job so I jumped ship in October in a package that got me Flacco, but even if I had held on I'd have Locker (not this week obviously) and Fitz at my disposal. Neither are great options, but they're better bets than that garbage on waivers.'Bayhawks said:
packersfan
Footballguy
I like Bradford a lot but I don't see how he has more potential value than Foles. He's only topped 250 yards passing four times (although three in the last four games) and has thrown 1 or 0 TDs in every game but three. I think he could be a solid QB2 and may not hurt you too often but I don't see a lot of upside. Foles clearly has downside but I think his potential upside is much higher given the stronger weapons around him at RB, WR and TE as well as Reid's insistence on throwing the ball all over the field regardless of who his QB may be.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm in a few dynasty leagues where I had Roeth and not much else. Bought Schaub where the price was right, but am stuck playing QBBC with Foles, Skelton and Gabbert in two of them, with Foles going this week.
I don't want to derail the topic at hand, but unless you're in a big league with deep benches, keeping 3 QBs on your roster as an insurance policy carries way too high an opportunity cost.A 14-teamer with 20-man rosters? Then yeah, by all means, keep a lottery ticket as a 3rd QB. But none of my leagues have more than 8 bench spots, and in that case having another RB or WR to plug in for byes or just good matchups is far more valuable to me than holding a 3rd QB when there are still desperation starters to be had on the WW.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What are his numbers when Amendola is active? Completely different QB with him out wide.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If the best available are Foles, Campbell, Leftwich, Misc. Arizona QB, and Gabbert then your league is deep enough to justify 3 QB's. I think it's more likely your 3rd QB is needed than your 6th RB or 7th WR. Need to bookmark this thread because I've been a proponent of this strategy in the past, but never remember specific examples of when it's needed. This week definitely qualifies.
Woogie Lee
Footballguy
wow....good for you!!!
packersfan
Footballguy
Five total games (tossing out the Arizona game when Amendola got hurt early):Threw for less than 225 yards in three of the five games.Had 0 TDs or 1 TD in three of the five games.Pretty much the same type of production I posted initially. Again, I'm a big Bradford fan. Like him a lot. But I just don't see much upside from a fantasy perspective and certainly not more than Foles.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Not really, the Eagles have more problems than the QB position. Hard to think a rookie QB making his first start with a cardboard line is going to be effective...even against the Redskins.
The point was that there are any number of situations where Foles would be a viable starting candidate for FF owners this week. Just because you can't think of those situations doesn't mean they don't exist. For the record, the leagues trade deadline in the league I was describing has passed, so a trade isn't an option. What's more, that league is made up of fairly knowledgeable guys, so if I was trying to make a desperation trade, I wouldn't even get close to fair value. Taking a huge hit at RB/WR to get a "serviceable" QB would be counter-productive.As for keeping 3 QBs, most teams do. I usually do, as well, but Locker was my 3rd QB. When he went out, and Roethlisberger and Vick were putting up good FF numbers, I dropped Locker. Again, this is one situation where picking up & starting Foles is a viable option. I'd rather take a shot with him than Leftwich or Campbell. I'm sure that there are any number of other FF'ers out there who are faced with a similar situation.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Uhh, just a recommendation for the future. That's all. Seemed like the right time to mention it since I've gotten resistance when I've brought it up in the past. Last weekend's disaster is just why I make sure to have 3 in my deep redraft league.
Very surprised any league has their trade deadline before week 10 though.
Very surprised any league has their trade deadline before week 10 though.
Bud
Footballguy
I think this sums it up.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Worth noting for the desperate... a QBBC of Foles and Gabbert has the following joint schedule down the stretch:
Wk11 @WAS (Foles)
Wk12 TEN (Gabbert)
Wk13 @BUF (Gabbert)
Wk14 @TB (Foles)
Wk15 CIN (Foles)
Wk16 WAS/NE (Pick)
That's four fantastic matchups in the last six weeks (@WAS/TEN/@TB/WAS) and the other two aren't terrible (@BUF/CIN). Could possibly get high end QB2 production out of the pair.
Wk11 @WAS (Foles)
Wk12 TEN (Gabbert)
Wk13 @BUF (Gabbert)
Wk14 @TB (Foles)
Wk15 CIN (Foles)
Wk16 WAS/NE (Pick)
That's four fantastic matchups in the last six weeks (@WAS/TEN/@TB/WAS) and the other two aren't terrible (@BUF/CIN). Could possibly get high end QB2 production out of the pair.
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I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
Sienna2012
Footballguy
Why ask then?
packersfan
Footballguy
The Redskins have allowed 300 yards passing or 3 TDs in four of the past five games. The only QB who didn't reach either was Cam Newton and the Panthers' offense is a gigantic mess, much worse off than even Philadelphia's. Given Reid's approach, the talent the Eagles have at the skill positions and the Redskins' porous defense this is a very appealing matchup, even for a rookie making his first NFL start. I think 225 yards and 2 TDs is very attainable and it wouldn't surprise me if he topped those numbers given the passing volume I expect him to receive. Foles doesn't need to be a star talent to shine in this matchup.
Vick was a Top 12-15 QB in many leagues before being hurt despite not playing all that well and not generating a lot of rushing production. He was getting that type of production due almost entirely to the system and players in place. If Foles shows any improvements over Vick (such as a quicker release, for example) and he doesn't get killed as a less-than-mobile QB behind that wretched offensive line I could see him getting close to the level Vick was at from a fantasy perspective. Plus, the Eagles love to throw downfield and Foles does have a strong arm. Vick was able to hit on a few big plays this season and it's not a stretch to envision Foles doing it as well. He already has one with last week's TD bomb to Maclin.
Vick was a Top 12-15 QB in many leagues before being hurt despite not playing all that well and not generating a lot of rushing production. He was getting that type of production due almost entirely to the system and players in place. If Foles shows any improvements over Vick (such as a quicker release, for example) and he doesn't get killed as a less-than-mobile QB behind that wretched offensive line I could see him getting close to the level Vick was at from a fantasy perspective. Plus, the Eagles love to throw downfield and Foles does have a strong arm. Vick was able to hit on a few big plays this season and it's not a stretch to envision Foles doing it as well. He already has one with last week's TD bomb to Maclin.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
sounds like a foles errand
