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Anyone benching Steve Johnson? (1 Viewer)

Clifford

Clifford

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Steve alternates blow up weeks since the bye

7 Oct 24 @ BAL L 34-37 8 158 19.8 43 1

8 Oct 31 @ KAN L 10-13 5 37 7.4 12 1

9 Nov 7 CHI L 19-22 11 145 13.2 45 0

10 Nov 14 DET W 14-12 3 37 12.3 19 0

11 Nov 21 @ CIN W 49-31 8 137 17.1 36 3

Pitt D is actually fairly mediocre against the pass and monsters against the run. IF Fitzy can keep his head together Steve has a decent shot at a good game, but recent history shows he is primed for disappointment. I've currently got him starting over Harvin but am wondering if that is wise.

Anyone else struggling with what to do with him this week?

 
I wouldn't sit him. As well as the Bills have been playing of late, this one smells like a Steelers' blowout. Could be a lot of garbage points for Stevie.

 
Trying to decide between him and Mike Wallace for my WR3.....got Wallace in there now but I am going back and forth,(BUF should HAVE to throw in this game to stay in it whereas PITT should be able to run all day long on the BILLS D if they want to)........whichever one I bench will go off.......benched SJ last week :lol:

 
I benched TO in favor of Stevie J. Pitt has given up some big points to Wrs this year, but they have also shut down teams completely. Unless you have a comparable option, I wouldn't bench the rookie... he's been $$ all year.

 
Me too. Wish I had taken a closer look at his game log. You know, catching that kind of trend would be some valuable content from this site. They need an article like "ten things you might have missed" that covers stuff like his every-other-week blowup.

 
Looks like 30-35 degree weather in BUF, with Snowy Showers. Not sure how that affect the passing game if it's wet/snowy, but probably not great.

I want to keep him in in a PPR league, but have Fitz, Andre and Bowe, and 'slightly' worried about the matchup and weather. PIT has not been great against the pass though, and he should get tons of targets.

 
SJ or Garcon?

If its going to snow in buffalo, I am going to bench SJ.

2 weeks ago a very cold windy mist of rain was going all game in buffalo and SJ had a very bad game. (and that was vs DET)

 
I was going with Wallace in my earlier post....but since the weather is looking nasty (and both Wallace and SJ are in this game) I gotta figure it will benefit a guy like SJ more than a speedster like Wallace. SJ is going back in! Plus I gotta figure he's going to be part of the gameplan more - if there's ever a game the Steelers will look to keep it on the ground it's gonna be in bad conditions against the Bills....GL all....

 
Black said:
Looks like 30-35 degree weather in BUF, with Snowy Showers. Not sure how that affect the passing game if it's wet/snowy, but probably not great.I want to keep him in in a PPR league, but have Fitz, Andre and Bowe, and 'slightly' worried about the matchup and weather. PIT has not been great against the pass though, and he should get tons of targets.
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Is it windy? That is the #1 factor that affects passing games. Snow alone often helps passing games.
 
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Jman said:
I wouldn't bench the rookie...
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He has been in the league for 3 years. I wouldn't bench Steve Johnson. The Steelers are better against the run than the pass.
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I stand corrected. He really just turned it on this year, eh? He had 12 career receptions in 16 games before this season. Isn't there some sort of 3rd year WR theory?Bench Johnson at your own risk. I've lost several matchups because I didn't start him. What's especially nice about him is that hasn't put up a goose egg this season.In a PPR league, I would consider him unbenchable regardless of the weather.
 
I traded for Steve Johnson five wks ago and he has given me a turbo-boost. Gave up Davone Bess and Thomas Jones.

 
Jman said:
I stand corrected. He really just turned it on this year, eh? He had 12 career receptions in 16 games before this season. Isn't there some sort of 3rd year WR theory?
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Partially it was everything sort of clicking for him, but it was also getting rid of James Hardy. Even when Johnson was showing flashes, the Bills were committed to using Hardy.I think Fitzpatrick also connects with him more than other QBs have in part because they probably both played a lot of second and third team snaps for a whille.
 
Im starting Vjax and deciding between a banged up Reggie Wayne facing SD top ranked pass DEF and Johnson in possibly crap weather against 22nd ranked Pit pass DEF.

im nearly about to toss a coin its so 50/50 for me. Waiting right up until the last minute on updates on Wayne status and weather for the Buffalo game.

 
Jman said:
I benched TO in favor of Stevie J. Pitt has given up some big points to Wrs this year, but they have also shut down teams completely. Unless you have a comparable option, I wouldn't bench the rookie... he's been $$ all year.
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Chances are if you have Stevie and are in your league's playoff hunt, he's part of the reason why. I CAN'T bench him unless he gets injured or is abducted by aliens prior to game time.
 
He's very hard to sit at this point. I'm usually not afraid to start my receivers against the Steelers. Buffalo may run less than 10X, so Fitz should drop back 40 times. Say he gets sacked 5 of those. Still 35 targets going somewhere. If the weather isn't brutal (like it was the Detroit game), then I expect another big game out of SJ.

 
I just don't see benching Stevie Johnson, regardless of matchup. Just think of the poor souls that benched him last week.

Unless you have excessive wind in Buffalo tomorrow, don't sit Johnson. I'm certainly not unless the weather is atrocious, and then I'll put in Sidney Rice against a bad Redskins secondary to go with Roddy White and DeSean Jackson.

 
Tangentially related, but I'm considering benching Fitzpatrick due to the weather. MFL is reporting temps in the 30's with win in the mid 30mph range. Uhm... no thanks.

 
intrinsic said:
Im starting Vjax and deciding between a banged up Reggie Wayne facing SD top ranked pass DEF and Johnson in possibly crap weather against 22nd ranked Pit pass DEF.im nearly about to toss a coin its so 50/50 for me. Waiting right up until the last minute on updates on Wayne status and weather for the Buffalo game.
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How banged up is Wayne really though? He is playing and should be a good start in my opinion, probably better than Johnson.
 
Andrew Garda said:
Jman said:
I stand corrected. He really just turned it on this year, eh? He had 12 career receptions in 16 games before this season. Isn't there some sort of 3rd year WR theory?
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Partially it was everything sort of clicking for him, but it was also getting rid of James Hardy. Even when Johnson was showing flashes, the Bills were committed to using Hardy.I think Fitzpatrick also connects with him more than other QBs have in part because they probably both played a lot of second and third team snaps for a whille.
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I read that as 2nd teamers earlier this year, that they would often play the role of opposing team QB/WR. With 'nothing to lose', Fitz would try just about any throw to him, and he would come down with it. Once they moved into the starting lineup, they already had the confidence and reps built up...
 
Mike Tomlin was on Sirius today and said he had faced Fitzpatrick before and that their team (Steelers) wasn't good enough to look past anyone, not even the Bills. Typical coachspeak but I went and looked up his stats against them:

2008 -

21 of 35, 164 yards, 1 TD to Ocho, 0 INT, 4 rushes for 15 yards

20 of 37, 168 yards, 1 TD to Glen Holt, 1 INT, 2 rushes for 8 yards

Looks like Judge Smails guess of 35 targets is right on. Hopefully they're of high quality.

 
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mcintyre1 said:
Tangentially related, but I'm considering benching Fitzpatrick due to the weather. MFL is reporting temps in the 30's with win in the mid 30mph range. Uhm... no thanks.
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:goodposting: Weather.com has winds of 12 mph? You better recheck that, because everything I have seen is in the 10-15 range.
 
I'm starting everybody on BUF besides RBs and D.

Gailey's spread offense will be in full effect.

 
I don't think you can use alternating weeks of production as indication of anything in the future. I mean you can't seriously say that he tries hard every other week, and then just slacks off every other week, can you?

In any case, I'm starting Tolbert over him at a Flex, other than that I believe I'm starting him as a WR3 in another league. Close call with him and Vjax though.

 
I don't see this alternative week production. What I do see is 10+ targets in 4 of the last 5 weeks and a TD in 6 of the last 8 weeks. And in one of the weeks he didn't get a TD he went for 145 yds...

 
dcgangstas said:
I just don't see benching Stevie Johnson, regardless of matchup. Just think of the poor souls that benched him last week.

Unless you have excessive wind in Buffalo tomorrow, don't sit Johnson. I'm certainly not unless the weather is atrocious, and then I'll put in Sidney Rice against a bad Redskins secondary to go with Roddy White and DeSean Jackson.
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:)
 
CA_7 said:
I don't see this alternative week production. What I do see is 10+ targets in 4 of the last 5 weeks and a TD in 6 of the last 8 weeks. And in one of the weeks he didn't get a TD he went for 145 yds...
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Are you reading the game logs correctly?
 
thatguythere said:
mcintyre1 said:
Tangentially related, but I'm considering benching Fitzpatrick due to the weather. MFL is reporting temps in the 30's with win in the mid 30mph range. Uhm... no thanks.
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:lmao: Weather.com has winds of 12 mph? You better recheck that, because everything I have seen is in the 10-15 range.
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Yeah, not sure what was up with MFL last night, was definitely hovered over Fitzpatrick when it said ridiculous things, but MFL is now in line with weather.com and I returned Fitz to my lineup.
 
Im beniching him again this week. I am pretty deep at WR though. Last week i benched the top 3 WR's(Greg Jennings, Steve Johnson and Santonio Holmes). :cry:

I want to play the guy, and wouldnt be afraid to start him against the Steelers if i didnt have better options.

 
bills will be unable to run against the steelers defense and they will likely be trailing in the second half. against the steelers mediocre secondary, i would start johnson in a heartbeat.

 
I'm benching him over Mike Williams (TB) for now...Baltimore has been a bit friendlier to the pass recently. Was also thinking of plugging Maclin in there.

Tough to justify benching Steve Johnson tho, even after laying an egg like he did two weeks ago.

 
Clifford said:
Me too. Wish I had taken a closer look at his game log. You know, catching that kind of trend would be some valuable content from this site. They need an article like "ten things you might have missed" that covers stuff like his every-other-week blowup.
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Hell of a sample size you got there.Start with confidence.
 
He really could have had a monster game. Everyone saw the wide open 40 yard bomb that he dropped, but he also had the high pass at the goal line that he still could have caught where the ball was tipped in the air and he was tracking it to catch it on the way down and Polamalu comes from nowhere to dive in and get the pick. Several other drops where Fitz didn't make perfect passes. He might have cost me my game (cost me 17 points with that drop) but he's an absolute must start with the number of targets he gets.

 
The only concern going forward is if Fitzpatrick looks his way a bit less after the drops today. I doubt it, as the two are in sync and Johnson has been otherwise playing great football, but definitely something to watch.

 
zamboni said:
The only concern going forward is if Fitzpatrick looks his way a bit less after the drops today. I doubt it, as the two are in sync and Johnson has been otherwise playing great football, but definitely something to watch.
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That won't happen. Lee Evans is just not good on the other side, and couldn't get separation. The only brutal drop was the last one. Fitz was a little off on several of the throws. Dude scored 3 TD's last week. Fitz will look his way often.
 
footballguy#1 said:
intrinsic said:
Im starting Vjax and deciding between a banged up Reggie Wayne facing SD top ranked pass DEF and Johnson in possibly crap weather against 22nd ranked Pit pass DEF.im nearly about to toss a coin its so 50/50 for me. Waiting right up until the last minute on updates on Wayne status and weather for the Buffalo game.
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How banged up is Wayne really though? He is playing and should be a good start in my opinion, probably better than Johnson.
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Not trying to say "i told you so" but i had a strong feeling SD would do bad things to Peyton and the Indy WR's and im glad i followed my hunch.Wayne has had a few "clunkers" this year compared to normal expectations for him, this isnt the only one.Steve Johnson had the dropsies but still outscored Wayne.Its too bad VJax is a POS and playing games. Hopefully it doesnt lose me the match this week with my opponent having 2 guys going tomorrow night.
 
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