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Anyone ever trade their first 2 picks? (1 Viewer)

GoBills02

GoBills02

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Had the 9th, 1st 8 were C Johnson, A. Peterson, MJD, Ray Rice, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Andre Johnson, Michael Turner, decided to pull a pre draft trade that was planned if Turner or Johnson didn't fall. Trade #9 overall and my 2nd rounder, 16th, 19th, 20th for a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th. (21 rounder)

Needless to say, got a ton of value in the middle rounds. Half the guys use Draft Dominator and I easily pulled the strongest team at the end. Was very proud of my moves and was being called the "shark" of the day. Later on drafted Henne as my 3rd QB in the 14th round, right in front of the guy I made the trade with, knowing he had no QB's yet. He ended up trading me his next two picks for that pick. (He was my brother in law who is a footballguys faithful.)

:drive:

It wasn't fun sitting through the first 2 rounds, but I HIGHLY reccomend finding someone who is in love with big names and not looking for hidden gems that fall to you.

1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 DEF 2 LB

Picks in rounds 3-8

RB L. McCoy 3.09

RB C. Wells 3.10

RB Shonn Greene 4.03 (I know, 3 RB's in a row, but had to.)

WR Steve Smith (Carolina) 4.04

RB Knowshon Moreno 5.09 (I know! 4 RB's already!!!!)

WR Santana Moss 5.10

WR Hines Ward 6.03

WR Dwayne Bowe 6.04

QB Kevin Kolb 7.09

TE Kellen Winslow 7.10

WR Lee Evans 8.03

QB Ben Rothlisberger 8.04

Also later added as my #5 RB Fred Jackson

Matt Cassel

Had a blast drafting like this! Not patting myself on the back or looking for commewnts, just thought I share in case anyone else had the temptation of doing this.

 
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I'm sorry, but it looks a LOT like a team that traded it's first two picks then felt the need to go RB heavy because of it.

Enough depth to keep you out of the bottom of the league, but not enough stars to make a run for the title either IMO....

 
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Draft Dominator assumes that you always make the correct starting decisions when figuring team strength. You also don't say what starter strength looked like. Sure you have a good fourth RB and a good fifth WR, but bench points do you no good. You not only need two of your 4 RB's to score fairly well each week, you need to pick the correct two. There have been a couple of arguments against depth for this very reason. This is why there is a post about not falling in love with value...at some point you need elite production. That's what your team doesn't have.

 
Why would you pass on MJD at #9? The fantasy Gods gave you a gift and you did not accept it.

There may be bad mojo coming for your team.

Just saying.

 
Sorry, obviously MJD was gone. :lmao:

Gore was there. Not a big Gore fan.

The guy I traded with took MJD in another trade at #3, but it showed up in his DD box at #10. SOrry!

 
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Sorry, but that doesn't look too strong to me. McCoy is an unknown at this point (esp at the goalline), Smith, Moss, Ward, Bowe doesn't scare anyone. It could work out in this crazy game but I have to agree with the detractors. Now go out and win your league!

 
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 total

for

B. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741

Appreciate the comments. Once again, sorry about the original post of leaving out MJD and the next ten comments focusing on that. I have never seen a thread on this in 7 years here and was curious what people's thought was on it. I wouldn't do this in every league, but 12 guys, + a keg at 8 in the morning, it seemed like something fun to try.

 
I'm sure they appreciate your donation.

If you like the trade then be happy with it. I might have traded 1 of my early picks but don't have the cajones to trade 2 of them.

 
GoBills02 said:
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 totalforB. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741
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It's exactly this (wrong) thinking that everyone is picking up on. You can't start 5 guys in 2 slots. You're comparing a QB and RB against 2 RBs and 3 WRs. Add in your actual QB and compare against Rodgers, Jackson, and what your other RB and 3 WRs would have been and THEN compare the total points...
 
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I might like it better if it was ME making the draft picks. So many mid round picks and you don't get an elite TE? :bag:

 
I don't particulary like trading early picks for a group of later round picks- the drop off in value of your starters is too much IMO. You will probaby have more depth than a lot of teams, so you will be able to survive some injuries or hopefully it hits other teams hard and you can then trade up on some of the depth you accumulated.

In my experience- the only time I would trade an early round draft pick is in a start up dynasty. This would be trading next years 1st or 2nd rounders to get extra 3rd or 4th rounders as you can get some very solid vet players over relatively rookie prospects.

 
Well, technically I can because we play 2 teams each week, doubleheader schedule, but I get your point. Of course I can start the same two guys for each game.

Me personally, I didn't want to draft Steven Jackson, and for myself, like the upside of the other first 2 RBs I took instead. Looking back, I probably should have kept my 2nd.

BTW, I did this last year too and won the league. Just sayin.

 
GoBills02 said:
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 totalforB. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741Appreciate the comments. Once again, sorry about the original post of leaving out MJD and the next ten comments focusing on that. I have never seen a thread on this in 7 years here and was curious what people's thought was on it. I wouldn't do this in every league, but 12 guys, + a keg at 8 in the morning, it seemed like something fun to try.
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This is terrible logic. Also I like how you ignore the "three late rounders" and don't count their points..... then add up the points from all 5 mid round guys and compare it to two of the 5 picks you gave away :loco:You seriously got screwed hard in this deal. I wish I had people who would fall for this sort of stuff in my leagues :P
 
GoBills02 said:
Well, technically I can because we play 2 teams each week, doubleheader schedule, but I get your point. Of course I can start the same two guys for each game.

Me personally, I didn't want to draft Steven Jackson, and for myself, like the upside of the other first 2 RBs I took instead. Looking back, I probably should have kept my 2nd.

BTW, I did this last year too and won the league. Just sayin.
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I did something somewhat similar last year (see this thread) and won my title, too. I didnt trade away my 1 and 2, in fact I moved up from 2 to 1, but I traded away my 3rd and 4th for a bunch of 5th-8th picks. I think that made a lot more sense, though, because I got AJ and Turner to anchor the team and then I just had to hit on RB2, WR2, and QB in the mid-rounds, which I did with Ray Rice and Schaub (WR kinda sucked). Your way, you have to hit on so many starters that I think it's going to be tough...
 
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GoBills02 said:
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 totalforB. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741Appreciate the comments. Once again, sorry about the original post of leaving out MJD and the next ten comments focusing on that. I have never seen a thread on this in 7 years here and was curious what people's thought was on it. I wouldn't do this in every league, but 12 guys, + a keg at 8 in the morning, it seemed like something fun to try.
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This is terrible logic. Also I like how you ignore the "three late rounders" and don't count their points..... then add up the points from all 5 mid round guys and compare it to two of the 5 picks you gave away :loco:You seriously got screwed hard in this deal. I wish I had people who would fall for this sort of stuff in my leagues :P
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I didn't ignore them, there was no drop off in value with those [icks as they were used to take a LB, a 3rd TE and a Kicker.
 
TWP said:
GoBills02 said:
Well, technically I can because we play 2 teams each week, doubleheader schedule, but I get your point. Of course I can start the same two guys for each game. Me personally, I didn't want to draft Steven Jackson, and for myself, like the upside of the other first 2 RBs I took instead. Looking back, I probably should have kept my 2nd.BTW, I did this last year too and won the league. Just sayin.
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I did something somewhat similar last year (see this thread) and won my title, too. I didnt trade away my 1 and 2, in fact I moved up from 2 to 1, but I traded away my 3rd and 4th for a bunch of 5th-8th picks. I think that made a lot more sense, though, because I got AJ and Turner to anchor the team and then I just had to hit on RB2, WR2, and QB in the mid-rounds, which I did with Ray Rice and Schaub (WR kinda sucked). Your way, you have to hit on so many starters that I think it's going to be tough...
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Fair assessment, thank you. Maybe I just caught lightning in a bottle last year.
 
I've done this for like 3 years in one league. It's a salary cap deal and there is usually decent value i the 3rd/4th. However, I noticed that it is more important to get those few studs that you can rely on from week-to-week so I am canceling that plan this season with the #9 pick. I actually like what's been falling there, but I'm hoping it's Turner. We'll see...

 
GoBills02 said:
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 totalforB. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741Appreciate the comments. Once again, sorry about the original post of leaving out MJD and the next ten comments focusing on that. I have never seen a thread on this in 7 years here and was curious what people's thought was on it. I wouldn't do this in every league, but 12 guys, + a keg at 8 in the morning, it seemed like something fun to try.
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When I see this trade I see a bunch of bums for Aaron Rodgers. Don't like it at all.
 
The value of early round picks are exponentially higher than mid rounders, esp with all the RBBC these days. One reason was pointed out in a previous post...you can only start a couple at each position each week...you don't get points for having a better bench than the rest of the league.

I would've loved Frank Gore at 1.09.

If you hit on some of your mid-round picks and they turn into top players, you can definitely end up a winner in this trade, though I'd rather have Frank Gore and a stud QB.

 
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The value of early round picks are exponentially higher than mid rounders, esp with all the RBBC these days. One reason was pointed out in a previous post...you can only start a couple at each position each week...you don't get points for having a better bench than the rest of the league.I would've loved Frank Gore at 1.09.If you hit on some of your mid-round picks and they turn into top players, you can definitely end up a winner in this trade, though I'd rather have Frank Gore and a stud QB.
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Yep.Not a shark move. Your trading partner is probably high fiving his buddies right about now. Barring injury to one or both of the studs, he wins. If you hit a homerun with a low pick or two, you could win out, but just imagine how good you would be if you had the studs AND hit a homerun or two with your lower picks.
 
The trade looks like a good deal for you (I think you come out on top if you use average auction values as your draft value chart), and I think you have an above average team, but it would've been better if you'd taken a top TE early (probably in the 4th, instead of your 3rd RB) and maybe also a better QB instead of getting so much RB & WR depth. Maybe you should try to trade for a top TE.

 
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The trade looks like a good deal for you (I think you come out on top if you use average auction values as your draft value chart), and I think you have an above average team, but it would've been better if you'd taken a top TE early (probably in the 4th, instead of your 3rd RB) and maybe also a better QB instead of getting so much RB & WR depth. Maybe you should try to trade for a top TE.
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I will try to target a TE, but am not sitting too bad with Winslow and Shockey. Obviously wen for the quantity over quality WR and RB, assuming I had to get 2 and 3 right out of that.

At QB, I still ended up with Kolb, Rothlesberger, and Cassell.

 
LawFitz said:
GoBills02 said:
Based on Projections, I traded away Aaron Rodgers (361 pts) and Steven Jackson (215 pts) and three late rounders = 576 totalforB. Wells (170) Shonn Greene (180) S. Moss (138) H. Ward (135) L. Evans (118) = 741Appreciate the comments. Once again, sorry about the original post of leaving out MJD and the next ten comments focusing on that. I have never seen a thread on this in 7 years here and was curious what people's thought was on it. I wouldn't do this in every league, but 12 guys, + a keg at 8 in the morning, it seemed like something fun to try.
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When I see this trade I see a bunch of bums for Aaron Rodgers. Don't like it at all.
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You see bums, I see high ceilings.
 
Could you post the whole draft? I am interested to see how everything around this fell out.

At first glance, it does not seem like a Shark move to me, because in my opinion you really ended up with a lot of boom or bust guys. This could be a wonderful thing for you, since if they all hit you end up dominating the league. But they could all bust as well, which would make you look like the guppy of the group. You mention in an earlier post that you see high ceilings for these guys, and I tend to agree with you but I also see floors that are just as likely. This seems like it could be a great strategy to for a high risk/reward scenario as long as their is understanding that it is high risk.

 
MDSkinner said:
Could you post the whole draft? I am interested to see how everything around this fell out.At first glance, it does not seem like a Shark move to me, because in my opinion you really ended up with a lot of boom or bust guys. This could be a wonderful thing for you, since if they all hit you end up dominating the league. But they could all bust as well, which would make you look like the guppy of the group. You mention in an earlier post that you see high ceilings for these guys, and I tend to agree with you but I also see floors that are just as likely. This seems like it could be a great strategy to for a high risk/reward scenario as long as their is understanding that it is high risk.
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I would, but the way DD displayed the picks, doesn't represent where they actually went. It's definately boom or bust thinking, and you're right, I guess the floor is just as likely. Steven Jackson there was no way I wanted him there, not with that injury history and that team.
 
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