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Anyone Starting Winslow this weekend (1 Viewer)
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I don't think he's even worth rostering, let alone starting. Just a 4-6 week body. Decent pickup to get him familiar with the offense and terminology if they become desperate further in the season (i.e. Hernandez injury becomes far worse than expected)
In-season receiver pickups/acquisitions rarely work for players going to new teams. Just no chemistry and limited playbook knowledge. Branch is more likely to make an impact given his familiarity (and he's probably not worth looking at either) Branch probably has a better shot at sticking around the team all year IMO
With Ridley, it's going to be a smaller pie for the passing game IMO over the course of the season.
In-season receiver pickups/acquisitions rarely work for players going to new teams. Just no chemistry and limited playbook knowledge. Branch is more likely to make an impact given his familiarity (and he's probably not worth looking at either) Branch probably has a better shot at sticking around the team all year IMO
With Ridley, it's going to be a smaller pie for the passing game IMO over the course of the season.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm betting there's another, better TE you could start on your WW.
Lewis, McCoy, Myers all seem like better options and are largely available.
Lewis, McCoy, Myers all seem like better options and are largely available.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I picked him up in both my 16 teamers, nothing out there and any player with value is rostered. I'm giving Fred Davis one more start before I make a switch. Also I might Start KW over Smith (StL) in my other.
12punch
Footballguy
housler might be an ok desperation spot start, but keep an eye on heap's status
Drop
Footballguy
Kellen has talent. He can get open and has good hands to go along with a nice frame. He has a great QB in a pass based offense with other weapons in the passing game around him. This basically meets the criteria for breakout TE production. The first question is how healthy is his knee? If New England signed him they must be content with the situation. The real concern is how many snaps will he get and if his blocking is a liability in Bill's eyes. I have heard Romeo Crenell basically say that the notion that he is a bad teammate is not true. It seems to be a media driven fallacy that doesn't worry me at all.
As a fantasy player he has sleeper potential despite the fact that so many people have written him off. At this point in the season making roster space for him is most likely a balancing act as it comes down to a numbers game. If the stars align roster wise for you he is definitely worth adding and stashing to see what he does in that offense. So that's my objective take...
Now personally I want to see him catch 2 TDs, one on Ed and one on Ray and throw that U up both times.
The Soldier is officially a Patriot. #SupportTheTroops
As a fantasy player he has sleeper potential despite the fact that so many people have written him off. At this point in the season making roster space for him is most likely a balancing act as it comes down to a numbers game. If the stars align roster wise for you he is definitely worth adding and stashing to see what he does in that offense. So that's my objective take...
Now personally I want to see him catch 2 TDs, one on Ed and one on Ray and throw that U up both times.
The Soldier is officially a Patriot. #SupportTheTroops
DoubleG
Footballguy
In most smaller leagues (12 teams and under) he's not even rostered, let alone being trotted out as a starter. TE is simply real deep this year in most leagues.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
No. Unless you are insane. I can't conceive of a league where anyone starts te50
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Show us your waiver wire tes- I bet there are at least 5~10 guys there who are better starts than a te who doesn't know the patriots playbook signed his week. He pat scheme is more complex than most. Ochocinco got less than 5 plays b/c bellychick didn't trust he knew the playbook. If he even gets n the field this week it will be in primarily a locking role on basic plays.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
That's what I'm saying. I advised to see if Lewis, Myres or McCoy were avaialable. Someone here mentioned D.Clark. I'd also start K.Davis and probably a handful of other TEs. OP was quoted saying we'd be fools not to pick up KW in the other thread. Seriously, who is rostering this dude right now let alone starting him.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
FOXBORO — The last two days, tight end Kellen Winslow has darted in and out of the Patriots [team stats]’ locker room, trying to assimilate himself as quickly as possible.
Sometimes, it’s been the simple stuff, briskly walking to the equipment room to pick up cleats and new team apparel. Other times, it’s been for a quick meeting to better understand the lay of the land.
And during those precious free moments, he has gotten a chance to take a seat at his locker and bury himself in the playbook. For someone like Winslow, a 29-year-old former Pro Bowler who is trying to find a permanent role on his third team in five months, there can’t be any wasted time.
“I’ve been in the playbook nonstop,” Winslow said. “There’s a lot of work to be done. I’m just trying to get the offense down and try to find my way in the offense.”
Winslow didn’t seem frantic or overwhelmed yesterday when he took a few minutes to chat. He simply came across as a guy who wanted to make the most of a big-time situation.
He said he had been in contact with a couple of other teams, but Winslow saw an opportunity to join the Patriots after Aaron Hernandez went down with an ankle injury. Since the two tight ends are similarly athletic and versatile in their ability to line up in different spots, Winslow believed he could carve out a role for himself in Hernandez’s absence.
“It’s how tight ends should be used, and they do a good job,” Winslow said of the way the Patriots have employed Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski. “They do a real good job.”
The chances of it happening are a great unknown. Recent seasons have shown how difficult it can be for a player to walk in and immediately find success with Tom Brady [stats]. Then again, tight ends have an obviously significant role in the Patriots’ offense, so Winslow will get his chance if he has a good first week of practice.
When asked how to make himself stick out on an offense that is overstocked with tight ends, Winslow simply said, “Just make plays, and they’ll find a way.”
Another question has been Winslow’s surgically repaired knee, though he has heard about that one for years. And still, he hasn’t missed a game since 2008. Winslow smiled when asked about the amount of pain that he has played through in his career.
“The thing I concentrate on is not missing games because then there’s nothing to hold against me,” said Winslow, who noted he did not work out for the Pats during his first visit earlier this month.
And then, Winslow scurried away one more time. There was still work to do.
Safety plan
Patriots practice squad safety Cyhl Quarles is earning his money this week. The undrafted rookie was with the Ravens from May through training camp, so he has taken it upon himself to give Brady a good look on the scout team defense, emulating both Ed Reed and Bernard Pollard.
To be fair, Brady has gotten a decent grasp of the Ravens’ defense in the teams’ four meetings since 2009, and that will ultimately be more helpful than Quarles’ information. But still, Quarles has taken pride in his role this week.
“Showing different blitzes and coming out,” Quarles said of the looks he has presented at practice. “Say if I’ve got to blitz on one side and come out and show some cover-2. Or show like I’m coming down in a fire zone then back out to cover-2, or show I’ve got a cover-2 then go back to the middle third. Stuff like that, simple things.”
In and out
The Patriots [team stats] shuffled their practice squad yesterday, replacing wide receiver Kerry Taylor with wide receiver Greg Salas, who was released from the active roster Wednesday.
-— jeff.howe@bostonherald.com
Sometimes, it’s been the simple stuff, briskly walking to the equipment room to pick up cleats and new team apparel. Other times, it’s been for a quick meeting to better understand the lay of the land.
And during those precious free moments, he has gotten a chance to take a seat at his locker and bury himself in the playbook. For someone like Winslow, a 29-year-old former Pro Bowler who is trying to find a permanent role on his third team in five months, there can’t be any wasted time.
“I’ve been in the playbook nonstop,” Winslow said. “There’s a lot of work to be done. I’m just trying to get the offense down and try to find my way in the offense.”
Winslow didn’t seem frantic or overwhelmed yesterday when he took a few minutes to chat. He simply came across as a guy who wanted to make the most of a big-time situation.
He said he had been in contact with a couple of other teams, but Winslow saw an opportunity to join the Patriots after Aaron Hernandez went down with an ankle injury. Since the two tight ends are similarly athletic and versatile in their ability to line up in different spots, Winslow believed he could carve out a role for himself in Hernandez’s absence.
“It’s how tight ends should be used, and they do a good job,” Winslow said of the way the Patriots have employed Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski. “They do a real good job.”
The chances of it happening are a great unknown. Recent seasons have shown how difficult it can be for a player to walk in and immediately find success with Tom Brady [stats]. Then again, tight ends have an obviously significant role in the Patriots’ offense, so Winslow will get his chance if he has a good first week of practice.
When asked how to make himself stick out on an offense that is overstocked with tight ends, Winslow simply said, “Just make plays, and they’ll find a way.”
Another question has been Winslow’s surgically repaired knee, though he has heard about that one for years. And still, he hasn’t missed a game since 2008. Winslow smiled when asked about the amount of pain that he has played through in his career.
“The thing I concentrate on is not missing games because then there’s nothing to hold against me,” said Winslow, who noted he did not work out for the Pats during his first visit earlier this month.
And then, Winslow scurried away one more time. There was still work to do.
Safety plan
Patriots practice squad safety Cyhl Quarles is earning his money this week. The undrafted rookie was with the Ravens from May through training camp, so he has taken it upon himself to give Brady a good look on the scout team defense, emulating both Ed Reed and Bernard Pollard.
To be fair, Brady has gotten a decent grasp of the Ravens’ defense in the teams’ four meetings since 2009, and that will ultimately be more helpful than Quarles’ information. But still, Quarles has taken pride in his role this week.
“Showing different blitzes and coming out,” Quarles said of the looks he has presented at practice. “Say if I’ve got to blitz on one side and come out and show some cover-2. Or show like I’m coming down in a fire zone then back out to cover-2, or show I’ve got a cover-2 then go back to the middle third. Stuff like that, simple things.”
In and out
The Patriots [team stats] shuffled their practice squad yesterday, replacing wide receiver Kerry Taylor with wide receiver Greg Salas, who was released from the active roster Wednesday.
-— jeff.howe@bostonherald.com
Really just depends on the leagues guys. FFPC is the king of high stakes football right now and they award 1.5 PPR to TE's. As often happens with innovative scoring I've seen this format adopted by many local leagues as well.In my Main Event league in the FFPC there are currently 33 TE's rostered. Every single name that was brought up as someone you would rather start over Winslow is already rostered. This is a 12 team league. The OP is talking about a 14 team league.In some leagues you do actually have to dig for talent and take some chances. Also while the Pats playbook is difficult it's a poor example to use Chad as an example since he can't master a simple playbook.That's what I'm saying. I advised to see if Lewis, Myres or McCoy were avaialable. Someone here mentioned D.Clark. I'd also start K.Davis and probably a handful of other TEs. OP was quoted saying we'd be fools not to pick up KW in the other thread. Seriously, who is rostering this dude right now let alone starting him.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
In a 16 team 1.5 te league he would be rosterable. But still not start able.Really just depends on the leagues guys. FFPC is the king of high stakes football right now and they award 1.5 PPR to TE's. As often happens with innovative scoring I've seen this format adopted by many local leagues as well.In my Main Event league in the FFPC there are currently 33 TE's rostered. Every single name that was brought up as someone you would rather start over Winslow is already rostered. This is a 12 team league. The OP is talking about a 14 team league.In some leagues you do actually have to dig for talent and take some chances. Also while the Pats playbook is difficult it's a poor example to use Chad as an example since he can't master a simple playbook.That's what I'm saying. I advised to see if Lewis, Myres or McCoy were avaialable. Someone here mentioned D.Clark. I'd also start K.Davis and probably a handful of other TEs. OP was quoted saying we'd be fools not to pick up KW in the other thread. Seriously, who is rostering this dude right now let alone starting him.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I love the idea of TE's getting 1.5 PPR but topics pertaining to such a format are few and far between here. To be safe I think operating under the assumption that it's .5 PPR is the way to go. I do not think KW is roster-able in a 14-team league. There will almost always be a better option available in a league that size.Really just depends on the leagues guys. FFPC is the king of high stakes football right now and they award 1.5 PPR to TE's. As often happens with innovative scoring I've seen this format adopted by many local leagues as well.In my Main Event league in the FFPC there are currently 33 TE's rostered. Every single name that was brought up as someone you would rather start over Winslow is already rostered. This is a 12 team league. The OP is talking about a 14 team league.In some leagues you do actually have to dig for talent and take some chances. Also while the Pats playbook is difficult it's a poor example to use Chad as an example since he can't master a simple playbook.That's what I'm saying. I advised to see if Lewis, Myres or McCoy were avaialable. Someone here mentioned D.Clark. I'd also start K.Davis and probably a handful of other TEs. OP was quoted saying we'd be fools not to pick up KW in the other thread. Seriously, who is rostering this dude right now let alone starting him.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Fwiw he is not listed on fbgs top 48 tes to start this week. These guys are.
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Maybe he's not someone you want to start this week if you have better options but as for being roster able you could not be more incorrect. I assure you in every 12 team FFPC league he's not only rostered but teams probably spent on average 25-30% of their FA allotment. Bottom line is you won't find a single league he's not on a roster, not a one.In a 16 team 1.5 te league he would be rosterable. But still not start able.Really just depends on the leagues guys. FFPC is the king of high stakes football right now and they award 1.5 PPR to TE's. As often happens with innovative scoring I've seen this format adopted by many local leagues as well.In my Main Event league in the FFPC there are currently 33 TE's rostered. Every single name that was brought up as someone you would rather start over Winslow is already rostered. This is a 12 team league. The OP is talking about a 14 team league.In some leagues you do actually have to dig for talent and take some chances. Also while the Pats playbook is difficult it's a poor example to use Chad as an example since he can't master a simple playbook.That's what I'm saying. I advised to see if Lewis, Myres or McCoy were avaialable. Someone here mentioned D.Clark. I'd also start K.Davis and probably a handful of other TEs. OP was quoted saying we'd be fools not to pick up KW in the other thread. Seriously, who is rostering this dude right now let alone starting him.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Bb had an interesting quote when asked about kw having to learn the whole playbook. He said that that not really the case right now as it would do no good. Right he's just learning the game plan for the week. So it's not reasonable to expect him to get the majority of snaps in 2 TE sets.
That said I'm as bullish on kw as anyone you'll find on these boards but I'm sitting him and giving Gresham one more week, and frankly that's just due to nice matchup.
After that I might roll with kw if he looks the part. Fwiw I'm in deep 14 team leauge and the roster is razor thin. Just missed out on Myers. McCoy would be only guy I plan on picking up. So yeah I like kw short term upside over this guys.
Plus if he does well you can always try to pry Hernandez from his owner at a discount and be set for the season.
That said I'm as bullish on kw as anyone you'll find on these boards but I'm sitting him and giving Gresham one more week, and frankly that's just due to nice matchup.
After that I might roll with kw if he looks the part. Fwiw I'm in deep 14 team leauge and the roster is razor thin. Just missed out on Myers. McCoy would be only guy I plan on picking up. So yeah I like kw short term upside over this guys.
Plus if he does well you can always try to pry Hernandez from his owner at a discount and be set for the season.
NDyse10
Footballguy
I've been picking up people left and right and can't seem to make a decision. It looks like someone dropped Fleener so I picked him up and dropped Winslow. Other people to consider:Brandon MyersDante Rosario (not sure on the Gates injury situation)Ed DicksonLance KendricksEdit to add: No PPR, standard scoring
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Abrantes
Footballguy
At least one person in every league spending 25-30% of their budget on a TE who isn't familiar with the playbook and who will likely be irrelevant a few weeks from now? I'd be willing to bet that you're wrong about this.My guess for this week would be something like this:
-0 points: 50% chance
-1 to 5 points: 20% chance
-6 to 8 points: 20% chance
-9 to 12 points: 9% chance
-over 12 points: 1% chance
tombonneau
Footballguy
Guy in my league spent 15%. I got him in first round of claims spot 14 out of 14.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
32 team league -- it's either take a chance with Winslow or start Kellen Davis.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Easy there Sparky. Winslow was in someone's camp and played in preseason - he's in football shape. It's not like he's coming in from teaching English last week. I don't think he will do much, but no reason to get snarky.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I think he is rosterable in PPR leagues and I did add him in one where I lost Aaron Hernandez and right now only have Jared Cook. I won't start Winslow this week but a poor game by Cook this week and I might be tempted next week after KW has a full week of practice and faces Buffalo
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I think this is quite an exaggeration - sorry meno - especially the amount spent on Winslow when he hasn't even played yet. BUT I do think a lot of teams added him cheaply if they had a slot in FFPC or FBGPC leagues because he could easily become playable - especially for teams that drafted Aaron Hernandez or Fred Davis or are starting Witten but are concerned
Sea Duck
Footballguy
I'm not being snarky, I'm just asking a question. But if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase the question:Please provide a list of TEs who were in one team's training camp, then got cut, then got signed by a different team, then were productive less than a week later.Easy there Sparky. Winslow was in someone's camp and played in preseason - he's in football shape. It's not like he's coming in from teaching English last week. I don't think he will do much, but no reason to get snarky.
Looks to have been a bit of an exaggeration. I was a Hernandez loser and with Rudolph as my only viable TE I spent $207 or 20.7% of my budget on him. (As an aside I have no plans to start him but felt it was insurance if Rudolph got hurt and/or Hernandez is not back until week 10). When I made that post earlier I'd seen Winslow go for $113 in the my only other FFPC redraft league which happens to be the Off The Grid League so for those that don't know that's $113 real dollars, not $113 fake free agent dollars. I also had spoken with just one other person about bidding in their league and they told me Winslow had went for over $300. In the league I got for him $207 I the next bid was $110.
So based on that limited info above I really thought he would have been bid in all or almost every league and drew a nice price.
I don't know how to check every league but I randomly checked 10 leagues. End result is I exaggerated. In two leagues he went unbid on so that blew my comment on him getting bid on in every league out. In the other other 8 leagues he went for an average price of $178 or 17.8% of teams budget. So he did not go in every league and he did on averag go for 25-20% of teams budgets but he was still a player that was heavily bid on in the high majority of leagues.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
ThanksBut I agree with you that many teams in that format would try and add him cheap this week
(In the 8 Super Sat leagues he was added five times - two for $100+; two for $50+ and one for $13 .. BUT I think in almost all cases - I guickly looked at a $120 and a $55 and in both cases they were good players who added him but vastly OVERPAID for him as there were no underbids in their league)ETA at least two or three of these teams were Jacob Tamme owners - and ones who didn't get another solid TE so with Tamme not fufilling their expectations, like the Hernandez owners they are feeling at least a little desperate in league with TE favorable scoring.
I have another team in the FFFChampionships and as I said earlier with Hernandez down added him for $3 (again with no underbidders).
It will be interesting to see how he is used and he is certainly worth a cheap add but no reason to spend a lot THIS week ........... of course if he catches a TD in his first game this week
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
That's not close. Kdavis all day
Captain Hook
Footballguy
This week YES ... next week may not be the same story'Hipple said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
what sucks is the NE game is late so all other options will have played
FUBAR
Footballguy
that's why I picked him up. My two TEs share a bye week, KW should fit in decent for that game. Better than the alternatives on the wire anyway. Plus it helps that I don't need to start him until week 5 at which point we should know how involved he's likely to be. Picked him up now because our WW is that thin.Which is just to say that in large leagues he's certainly worth picking up and taking a chance. Wouldn't feel comfortable starting him yet in any format.
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RavenLunatic
Footballguy
He is active tonight.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, Winslow asked for and is being released by the Patriots today. That was quick.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
ouch. espeially at some of the price liste in here...does this mean hernandez is improving? or that Hoommeawamanmi is too much competition for this mother ####### soldier.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
.... or maybe Soldah's head is spinning from the Pats playbook .... or he has had a quiet inquiry from another team where he would play more .... or a strong complaint from his knees
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I'm starting him this week over Tim Hightower.
