I don't think that's his argument at all. If your schedule keeps you away from the computer during certain times and you let the other owners know this, I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. He's talking about the owners who use the entire clock just because they can. As he said, that's BS unless you're working a trade. And even if you're working a trade, nothing's stopping you from letting the other owners know that fact.
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Are you one who constantly holds up the draft? (1 Viewer)
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Guinis72
Footballguy
If you're going to take awhile to pick (for whatever reason) I agree that you should at least let the league know "Sorry, I dind't expect someone to fall so I'm going to need awhile to think about it, I'll probably pick around 8pm" or "I'm not going to be available to pick from x to time to x time". Everybody values their time and no one appreciates checking in every 30 min for 6 hrs when a simple notice from that owner could have prevented you from wasting your time.
I just don't see what's so wrong or hard about keeping the other owners informed of when you plan to pick?
It'd be nice if people used the pre-draft list a little more often but I can see why some may not like it since some last second trade offers could come it when your pick comes up.
I just don't see what's so wrong or hard about keeping the other owners informed of when you plan to pick?
It'd be nice if people used the pre-draft list a little more often but I can see why some may not like it since some last second trade offers could come it when your pick comes up.
a couple things, for those of you on your high ####### horse...--on more than 1 occasion, a predraft of the 1.1 has "not taken", so a guy who is 26 picks away from his next selection thought he predrafted, only to have the draft stalled at the top spotJohnnyU said:
--if JU remembers correctly, there were about 10 or 11 owners in my original Misfits and Outlaws league pissed beyond belief that our first rookie draft, held "live" on a Saturday in August a few years ago, stalled early on ~1.3 or 1.4
the concensus was "F'em, he knew the draft was today, so screw him if he can't be here to make a pick and didn't send in a list to the commish"
As the commisioner, I went against the majority and paused the draft until we heard from the owner---I didn't "feel right" screwing this guy over w/o hearing his side of the situation...he checked in Sunday afternoon, IIRC
...he had spent the Friday night before our Saturday morning rookie draft in the hospital w/his wife and family, praying for his father-in-law, in critical condition after a car accident----you see, sometimes life gets in the way of this hobby of ours and renders our temper tantrums foolish in hindsight
I choose to give my people the benifit of the doubt, because "until you know, you just don't know"
Oh, and the league linked at the top of this response, the Misfits HP-4 Draft?
13 selections were made between 8-11PM last night, and the owner on the turn @1.14/2.1 has already picked this morning
I guess the whole thing boils down to your expectations----I expect 1 round/day in my 14 team leagues...it isn't too much to expect everyone to show up and make 1 pick/day
when this doesn't happen, for whatever reason, I use due diligence in seeking out the reason before I take an owner, commish or league out behind the woodshed in posts like these
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-X-
Footballguy
My league's current 1440 (and my first) dynasty rookie draft:Owner of 1.10 makes his pickOwner of 1.11 is logged on while 1.10 is taken and for a few more minutes afterward, then logs offAfter 18 hours, owner of 1.10 posts a bunch of Zs as a post reply in the league forumOwner of 1.11 logs on and makes his pick at ~19 hoursNext three picks average an hour each (1:15, 1:15, :30)After 1.14 is taken, owner of 1.10 is up again at 1.151.10/1.15 owner stays logged onto the site for a few minutes, then logs off1.10/1.15 owner logs on about 5 hours later for a few minutes, then logs offWe're now at 7+ hours and counting
1.10/1.15 owner = 
Edit: While I was posting this, 1.10/1.15 just logged on again briefly and has logged off again, still no pick
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Im a super fast drafter. I'm dialed in pretty damn well prehand.
Maybe once every 5 rounds or so I will take more then 10 seconds.
Maybe once every 5 rounds or so I will take more then 10 seconds.
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
This thread was the bigest waste of time!
It's a game....a challange with predefined rules. If a pick isn't made (as defined by you) in a timely manor this upsets you? And now we return you to our regularly scheduled program.
This thread was the bigest waste of time!
It's a game....a challange with predefined rules. If a pick isn't made (as defined by you) in a timely manor this upsets you? And now we return you to our regularly scheduled program.
This thread was the bigest waste of time!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Your post was a big waste of time. Move along if you don't like the thread.
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I think it's wrong to say that if the time limit is 12 hours (or 24 hours or whatever), then people have every right to make all their picks at the last minute.
As a matter of etiquette, they don't.
The average time per pick should be no more than a few hours, in my opinion. (It really shouldn't be more than about 30 to 45 minutes for most "slow" drafts with pre-selecting available.) That keeps the draft going at a reasonable pace.
There are basically two ways to make sure that the average time per pick is no more than a few hours:
1. Set a 12-hour or 24-hour limit but have everybody, as a matter of courtesy, make a reasonable effort to pick pretty quickly whenever they can, saving any long delays for unusual situations (personal emergencies, trade negotiations, etc).
2. Set a much shorter time limit, like 2 or 3 hours.
Of those two choices, I think most people would prefer the first one. But it only works as long as it's not abused. It takes etiquette. It takes not being a bunghole. If a few people abuse the longer time limit and start averaging ten hours per pick, it forces a move to the second option as the only way to keep the draft moving at a reasonable pace. That not only hurts the slowpokes, but it hurts everybody who isn't magically immune to occasional personal emergencies. In other words, it sucks.
This raises a question I've had for years. Why don't MFL.com and the other major league-hosting sites have a chess-clock option? Give each player a total of 36 hours or so to be "on the clock" during the entire draft. If he takes an hour per pick for the most part, he'll be able to take eight or ten hours a few times with no problems. But if he's taking ten hours on every pick, he'll run out of time by the fourth round. (When he runs out of time, the next person can pick, and the slow dude can jump in whenever he has the chance -- but until then the drafters picking behind him can keep the draft moving.)
As a matter of etiquette, they don't.
The average time per pick should be no more than a few hours, in my opinion. (It really shouldn't be more than about 30 to 45 minutes for most "slow" drafts with pre-selecting available.) That keeps the draft going at a reasonable pace.
There are basically two ways to make sure that the average time per pick is no more than a few hours:
1. Set a 12-hour or 24-hour limit but have everybody, as a matter of courtesy, make a reasonable effort to pick pretty quickly whenever they can, saving any long delays for unusual situations (personal emergencies, trade negotiations, etc).
2. Set a much shorter time limit, like 2 or 3 hours.
Of those two choices, I think most people would prefer the first one. But it only works as long as it's not abused. It takes etiquette. It takes not being a bunghole. If a few people abuse the longer time limit and start averaging ten hours per pick, it forces a move to the second option as the only way to keep the draft moving at a reasonable pace. That not only hurts the slowpokes, but it hurts everybody who isn't magically immune to occasional personal emergencies. In other words, it sucks.
This raises a question I've had for years. Why don't MFL.com and the other major league-hosting sites have a chess-clock option? Give each player a total of 36 hours or so to be "on the clock" during the entire draft. If he takes an hour per pick for the most part, he'll be able to take eight or ten hours a few times with no problems. But if he's taking ten hours on every pick, he'll run out of time by the fourth round. (When he runs out of time, the next person can pick, and the slow dude can jump in whenever he has the chance -- but until then the drafters picking behind him can keep the draft moving.)
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So heres the bottom line.
READ the rules on how long each team has to make a pick. If its 24 hours ask yourself a question "Will I get annoyed if anyone (or more than one) owner takes the entire 24 hours for all (or any) picks ?"
If the answer is YES, I will be annoyed and start to cry and whine, then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont join the league. Go find a online draft with a timer limit you are comfortable with.
We are tired of hearing you folks cry and whine all the time about the amount of time it takes to draft when you are COMPLETELY aware what the rules state.
This topic is now CLOSED !!!!
READ the rules on how long each team has to make a pick. If its 24 hours ask yourself a question "Will I get annoyed if anyone (or more than one) owner takes the entire 24 hours for all (or any) picks ?"
If the answer is YES, I will be annoyed and start to cry and whine, then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont join the league. Go find a online draft with a timer limit you are comfortable with.
We are tired of hearing you folks cry and whine all the time about the amount of time it takes to draft when you are COMPLETELY aware what the rules state.
This topic is now CLOSED !!!!
-OZ-
Footballguy
Go ahead and make it happen big boy. I have a feeling that you are full of fluff and no bones. Like I said, if you are any kind of man you will make a poll on it.I know exactly what would happen. People would agree that you are being a complete tool. There are many factors as to why someone uses their allocated time, you don't control it. Suck it up.Is that your best? Come on Impy, make a poll. You won't because you know what the results would be. Go back to the hole from which you crawled out from.Why do you keep winking at me?
Sorry, I like you JU, but this is insanely funny. Trash talk on a forum just looks toolish.(not saying you're a tool, but I think if you look at these posts from a 3rd party's perspective, you'll find them humorous)
-OZ-
Footballguy
3. Set a max "average time" for a team in a draft. If that is exceeded, they can either lose a pick next year or other penalties the league can vote on. You might also set a vote for exceptions, like if a team has one pick and he was in the hospital, etc.
lions327
Footballguy
Fixed. This is not just about the time...it is about WHY too. There are some things that just should not happen, for example, you have been on the clock for 4-5 hours (not online), then log on, then wait 4 more hours to pick or try to trade. The time when someone can't pick because of life things are not the issue with me at least, hey, some people work and have no access, among other things. But the logging on and doing nothing, and not telling anyone about it is the one thing that I can't stand. I can only speak of how I do it, but if I am on the clock, and for whatever reason want to trade my pick, I either trade within an hour or I pick.
I realize that there is a clock. I realize the rules say we have X amount of time per pick. But as was recently stated, etiquette should play a role here.
WisWolvrns
Footballguy
100% agree on this one.
Been trying to implement that type of scenario through MFL for a bit for our live online drafts as some owners just don't "get it" on drafting in a timely matter. Most cases they just aren't prepared, which causes the draft to stall at their picks... So it would go pick, pick, pick... 30 seconds - minute each, then a 10 minute lag for the next pick... then pick, pick, pick... etc.. but with the long lag, everyone else is waiting and waiting... getting frustrated. Very tough spot on a commissioner too, as the heckling starts... etc... But since these types of people exist, extra rules are needed which effect everyone. (like 1 minute timers or less... which rush the quick owners on the couple picks they want to take 2 minutes on...)I would put in the request to MFL and anyone else here. They might implement it if there is enough interest. It could be as easy to do as tally each teams total time instead of their per/pick time and have it listed on the draft page. Then the commissioner could just skip their picks if they run out of time, unless they pre-pick. A very fair solution all in all, as it gives each owner control of when they want to us their time throughout the draft and would re-enforce the use of pre-picking, since it would take no time at all off your "chess clock".
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Some people in this thread are way too anal when it comes to this stuff.
duaneok66
Footballguy
classic comeback . . .it's simple; have respect of the other people in your draft . . .this stuff goes on all the time . . . it's the guy at the McDonald's drive through that takes minutes to look at the menu . . . it's the guy at the checkout line at the grocery store that waits until the cashier is done ringing up his items before he pulls out his checkbook and a pen . . .it's the idiot that sits at a green light yapping away on his cell phone . . .Johnny U's take is simple; ANYONE can long on three times a day for a TOTAL of 15 minutes; if you can't respect others and do this; don't join a league . . .
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Lott's Fingertip
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