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Arizona lowers Boldin demand, per ESPN (1 Viewer)

What happened to the Baltimore deal? I thought they had already offered their one?
That's what I'm having trouble understanding.
lol Baltimores offer was we will give you a tight end that cannot stay healthy that we are paying good money to for no reason (Todd Heap) and a former pro-bowl running back that also cannot stay healthy that rarely started last season that we are paying 9 million a season to (Willis McGahee) oh and a 1st rounder. It was a complete low ball offer that fantasy players wouldn't even take. So basically, fill your salary cap up with our garbage instead of resigning Boldin yourself and we'll give you a number 1 pick for you to also sign for big bucks as well. If they took this deal it would probably be cheaper for them to just resign Boldin and have the probowl WR.As a Giants fan, Jerry Reece needs to stop what he's doing RIGHT NOW, and get on his phone. I saw the previous post from another Giants fan that said we should give them hixon and 2nd, that would be great but I don't think the Cardinals are in the market for more receivers... their pretty stocked. As much as I like having KiWi as a reserve DE, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on that deal. KiWi and a 2nd rounder for Boldin is an absolute steal in my opinion, Boldin has got a great team attitude and works harder then anybody in the NFL, he would fit in great with the Giants team philosophy.
The Ravens cannot trade McGahee. Because of the huge signing bonus they gave him, he would count as $8M of dead money vs. the cap. The Ravens are only $1.5M under. However, it's not like they Cards would have to pay him that money -- he already got it. He would only count around $2M (his 09 salary) vs. the Cards cap. It's a moot point -- but try to understand the cap.I still think that if Pettigrew is gone when the Ravens pick, they end up trading their #1 to AZ, straight-up, for Boldin.
 
GOTTA LOVE ESPN RUMORSRod Graves was just on KTAR (in Arizona) and said they would not trade him if nobody met the original asking price.
This sounds more right to me.It just makes no sense to bring Warner back, then have a fire sale on Boldin.
It's called asset allocation. You already have Fitz. Breaston looks like a pretty good #2. Why spend $9 or $10M on Boldin when you could use that money in other areas and improve your team, especially when you can get other potentially valuable assets back by trading Boldin.
 
Smart move by AZ... Before, most teams thought he was too expensive. Now, they might create a bidding war with more teams involved
Good point. With more teams involved, the price may end up going back up to what the Cards wanted anyway. I know if I were a GM, once I got my heart set on having a warrior like Boldin on my team, I'd end up spending more than I'd originally planned.As others have said, it's insane that it's even come to this. Every team in the league that has any need at WR at all should be willing to throw their 1st rounder for Boldin without flinching.RM's mentioning of the Pats plethora of 2nd-round picks scared the dickens out of me. That would make for an insane passing attack.
 
What happened to the Baltimore deal? I thought they had already offered their one?
That's what I'm having trouble understanding.
lol Baltimores offer was we will give you a tight end that cannot stay healthy that we are paying good money to for no reason (Todd Heap) and a former pro-bowl running back that also cannot stay healthy that rarely started last season that we are paying 9 million a season to (Willis McGahee) oh and a 1st rounder. It was a complete low ball offer that fantasy players wouldn't even take. So basically, fill your salary cap up with our garbage instead of resigning Boldin yourself and we'll give you a number 1 pick for you to also sign for big bucks as well. If they took this deal it would probably be cheaper for them to just resign Boldin and have the probowl WR.As a Giants fan, Jerry Reece needs to stop what he's doing RIGHT NOW, and get on his phone. I saw the previous post from another Giants fan that said we should give them hixon and 2nd, that would be great but I don't think the Cardinals are in the market for more receivers... their pretty stocked. As much as I like having KiWi as a reserve DE, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on that deal. KiWi and a 2nd rounder for Boldin is an absolute steal in my opinion, Boldin has got a great team attitude and works harder then anybody in the NFL, he would fit in great with the Giants team philosophy.
The Ravens cannot trade McGahee. Because of the huge signing bonus they gave him, he would count as $8M of dead money vs. the cap. The Ravens are only $1.5M under. However, it's not like they Cards would have to pay him that money -- he already got it. He would only count around $2M (his 09 salary) vs. the Cards cap. It's a moot point -- but try to understand the cap.I still think that if Pettigrew is gone when the Ravens pick, they end up trading their #1 to AZ, straight-up, for Boldin.
I was just going on what the reported offer was.
 
GOTTA LOVE ESPN RUMORSRod Graves was just on KTAR (in Arizona) and said they would not trade him if nobody met the original asking price.
This sounds more right to me.It just makes no sense to bring Warner back, then have a fire sale on Boldin.
It's called asset allocation. You already have Fitz. Breaston looks like a pretty good #2. Why spend $9 or $10M on Boldin when you could use that money in other areas and improve your team, especially when you can get other potentially valuable assets back by trading Boldin.
Pretty much what I'm thinking. The KC rumors are interesting. I don't know if LJ is movable, Dorsey is apparently on the block, both fill AZ needs, Cassel will be given every chance to succeed. They just dealt Gonzo for a 2nd... Not saying he's going to KC, but it's more likely than at first glance.
 
GOTTA LOVE ESPN RUMORSRod Graves was just on KTAR (in Arizona) and said they would not trade him if nobody met the original asking price.
This sounds more right to me.It just makes no sense to bring Warner back, then have a fire sale on Boldin.
It's called asset allocation. You already have Fitz. Breaston looks like a pretty good #2. Why spend $9 or $10M on Boldin when you could use that money in other areas and improve your team, especially when you can get other potentially valuable assets back by trading Boldin.
Spend 9 or 10 mill on what? The free agents out there? A rookie? A late 1st rounder?And the Cards don't have to spend anything. The have a contract for Boldin. And he will play for it. He's not sitting out all year, and costing himself money. I have no idea what Breaston looks like, other than he looks nice while the other team is chasing Boldin and Fitz around the field. I have no idea if Breaston will be solid complement to Fitz, and neither do you.All I am saying is if you re-sign Warner, it means you are gearing up for another Super Bowl run. If they can get an upgrade on the RB position, where Edge and Hightower are having a "slowest starter in the league" contest, that offense is pretty darn scary. You don't give away Boldin for a 2nd round+ whatever.
 
And the Cards don't have to spend anything. The have a contract for Boldin. And he will play for it. He's not sitting out all year, and costing himself money.
This is what I don't understand. He signed the contract not long ago. He can be forced to live with it, and he should be.
 
Smart move by AZ... Before, most teams thought he was too expensive. Now, they might create a bidding war with more teams involved
Good point. With more teams involved, the price may end up going back up to what the Cards wanted anyway. I know if I were a GM, once I got my heart set on having a warrior like Boldin on my team, I'd end up spending more than I'd originally planned.As others have said, it's insane that it's even come to this. Every team in the league that has any need at WR at all should be willing to throw their 1st rounder for Boldin without flinching.RM's mentioning of the Pats plethora of 2nd-round picks scared the dickens out of me. That would make for an insane passing attack.
NE doesn't have the cap space to sign him to $9M per year.From the looks of it I would say that ATL, CHI, DEN, GB, JAX, KC, MIN, PHI, SF and TB have enough space to give him 9-10M per year and still sign their draft picks. Of course, I'm use PFT for the cap info and I'm assuming teams will need about 5M to sign drafted players. That number could be more or less.
 
I have no idea what Breaston looks like, other than he looks nice while the other team is chasing Boldin and Fitz around the field. I have no idea if Breaston will be solid complement to Fitz, and neither do you.
Breaston's stats when Boldin was out last year:7/77/08/102/11/6/0 5/91/1Stinker against New England, but the other 3 games look nice.
 
GOTTA LOVE ESPN RUMORSRod Graves was just on KTAR (in Arizona) and said they would not trade him if nobody met the original asking price.
This sounds more right to me.It just makes no sense to bring Warner back, then have a fire sale on Boldin.
It's called asset allocation. You already have Fitz. Breaston looks like a pretty good #2. Why spend $9 or $10M on Boldin when you could use that money in other areas and improve your team, especially when you can get other potentially valuable assets back by trading Boldin.
Spend 9 or 10 mill on what? The free agents out there? A rookie? A late 1st rounder?And the Cards don't have to spend anything. The have a contract for Boldin. And he will play for it. He's not sitting out all year, and costing himself money. I have no idea what Breaston looks like, other than he looks nice while the other team is chasing Boldin and Fitz around the field. I have no idea if Breaston will be solid complement to Fitz, and neither do you.All I am saying is if you re-sign Warner, it means you are gearing up for another Super Bowl run. If they can get an upgrade on the RB position, where Edge and Hightower are having a "slowest starter in the league" contest, that offense is pretty darn scary. You don't give away Boldin for a 2nd round+ whatever.
You don't know what the "whatever" is. Until you know that, you can't say they should or shouldn't do a deal. And I'm pretty sure the Arizona coaching staff knows how good Breaston is or isn't, just because you don't doesn't mean they don't.Plus, having a mal-content on the sidelines or in the lockeroom is a very dangerous game to play. TO literally destroyed the Eagles 2005 team because the Eagles forced him to "honor" his contract.
 
Smart move by AZ... Before, most teams thought he was too expensive. Now, they might create a bidding war with more teams involved
Good point. With more teams involved, the price may end up going back up to what the Cards wanted anyway. I know if I were a GM, once I got my heart set on having a warrior like Boldin on my team, I'd end up spending more than I'd originally planned.

As others have said, it's insane that it's even come to this. Every team in the league that has any need at WR at all should be willing to throw their 1st rounder for Boldin without flinching.

RM's mentioning of the Pats plethora of 2nd-round picks scared the dickens out of me. That would make for an insane passing attack.
NE doesn't have the cap space to sign him to $9M per year.From the looks of it I would say that ATL, CHI, DEN, GB, JAX, KC, MIN, PHI, SF and TB have enough space to give him 9-10M per year and still sign their draft picks. Of course, I'm use PFT for the cap info and I'm assuming teams will need about 5M to sign drafted players. That number could be more or less.
If the Jags don't make a heavy play for Boldin and then go draft a Maclin with the 8th pick, I might lose it.
 
Nobody has to give Boldin $8-9M a year. His contract is only $2.75M this year.

I could see the Ravens making a deal with AZ, have Boldin play under his current deal for 09 and then try to sign him to the long-term extension after that. They would have the cap space to do that if they could reach a deal with Suggs, instead of paying him $10M against the cap this year as a franchise player. If they couldn't get a long-term deal with Suggs, I would guess they let him go after 09 and sign Boldin long-term (if they acquire him tomorrow).

 
And the Cards don't have to spend anything. The have a contract for Boldin. And he will play for it. He's not sitting out all year, and costing himself money.
This is what I don't understand. He signed the contract not long ago. He can be forced to live with it, and he should be.
If this were MLB or the NBA, I'd agree with you. In the NFL, I have no problem with a player demanding to be paid what he's worth. Non-guaranteed contracts lead to players wanting a new contract and the players are often justified.You can't blame the Cards for wanting to continue to underpay him for a bit longer, but I certainly don't fault Boldin for wanting a fair contract, especially with the way he plays.
 
If I were TEN, I'd be offering up the #30 + Lendale...
The 30 and Chris Henry would get it done. And yes, I'm being serious.
Per Rotoworld:LenDale White-RB-Titans Apr. 24 - 4:23 pm et Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Cardinals are "gathering information on" Titans RBs LenDale White and Chris Henry.White or Henry plus a second-round picks would be a no-brainer for the Titans, but the Cardinals should be aiming higher at running back.Source: Scout.com Related: Chris Henry
 
If I were TEN, I'd be offering up the #30 + Lendale...
The 30 and Chris Henry would get it done. And yes, I'm being serious.
Per Rotoworld:LenDale White-RB-Titans Apr. 24 - 4:23 pm et

Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports the Cardinals are "gathering information on" Titans RBs LenDale White and Chris Henry.

White or Henry plus a second-round picks would be a no-brainer for the Titans, but the Cardinals should be aiming higher at running back.

Source: Scout.com

Related: Chris Henry
ya think? If Reinfeldt gets Boldin for Chris Henry and the 2.30, I'll poop myself and love it.

 
You don't know what the "whatever" is. Until you know that, you can't say they should or shouldn't do a deal. And I'm pretty sure the Arizona coaching staff knows how good Breaston is or isn't, just because you don't doesn't mean they don't.Plus, having a mal-content on the sidelines or in the lockeroom is a very dangerous game to play. TO literally destroyed the Eagles 2005 team because the Eagles forced him to "honor" his contract.
The Cards coaching staff's opinion of Breaston is irrelevant, because neither one of us knows what they think. But I can have my opinion, and that opinion is that Breaston hasn't proven anything, and sure hasn't proven that he is a capable replacement for Boldin. Every single player that has been franchised has been unhappy, for the most part, and there are players on every team that don't like thier deal. Boldin ws unhappy last year, played well, and came back quick from a tough injury. He appears to be a long, long way from TO.Make no mistake, I think a trade is understandable. But lowering your trade demands, if that were actually the case, makes no sense.
 
FYI - 950 ESPN Philadelphia reports that Sal Paolantonio reports:

Eagles have made an offer for Boldin - 2009 3rd, 2010 2nd and Winston Justice.

Also, Sal Pal reports that the sticking point in the Boldin trade talks appears to be Drew Rosenhaus - reportedly seeking Larry Fitz type cash in Boldin's new deal.

 
FYI - 950 ESPN Philadelphia reports that Sal Paolantonio reports:Eagles have made an offer for Boldin - 2009 3rd, 2010 2nd and Winston Justice.Also, Sal Pal reports that the sticking point in the Boldin trade talks appears to be Drew Rosenhaus - reportedly seeking Larry Fitz type cash in Boldin's new deal.
Holy ####. After signing Andrews and trading for Peters, the Eagles are tackle rich and Justice is complete bench fodder. A 3rd this year and a second next? LARCENY if it goes down.
 
FYI - 950 ESPN Philadelphia reports that Sal Paolantonio reports:Eagles have made an offer for Boldin - 2009 3rd, 2010 2nd and Winston Justice.Also, Sal Pal reports that the sticking point in the Boldin trade talks appears to be Drew Rosenhaus - reportedly seeking Larry Fitz type cash in Boldin's new deal.
Holy ####. After signing Andrews and trading for Peters, the Eagles are tackle rich and Justice is complete bench fodder. A 3rd this year and a second next? LARCENY if it goes down.
To be thorough, if I'm not mistaken, I think they also reported that the RAVENS are also still in the running - keep missing that part of the story over the radio...
 
If I were TEN, I'd be offering up the #30 + Lendale...
The 30 and Chris Henry would get it done. And yes, I'm being serious.
What else would the Titans have to give ARI to take Henry?
Chris Johnson
Odd to see you talking down on a Pac 10 Wildcat like Henry...
you weren't here then when I was insulting the Titans brass for drafting Henry...I watched every carry of Henry's pathetic college career. Worst NFL draft pick in recent memory...I have no idea WTF Fisher was thinking.
 
How in the world can a team turn around and trade one of its best players to the team it just played in the Conference Championship game?

Just when you think AZ is turning into a legit franchise...

Still can't believe they would trade Boldin to the Eagles for nothing more than a #2 pick and some throw-ins.

 
FYI - 950 ESPN Philadelphia reports that Sal Paolantonio reports:Eagles have made an offer for Boldin - 2009 3rd, 2010 2nd and Winston Justice.Also, Sal Pal reports that the sticking point in the Boldin trade talks appears to be Drew Rosenhaus - reportedly seeking Larry Fitz type cash in Boldin's new deal.
No way it happens.What would Eagles fans have to complain about?? :rolleyes:
 
You don't know what the "whatever" is. Until you know that, you can't say they should or shouldn't do a deal.

And I'm pretty sure the Arizona coaching staff knows how good Breaston is or isn't, just because you don't doesn't mean they don't.

Plus, having a mal-content on the sidelines or in the lockeroom is a very dangerous game to play. TO literally destroyed the Eagles 2005 team because the Eagles forced him to "honor" his contract.
The Cards coaching staff's opinion of Breaston is irrelevant, because neither one of us knows what they think. But I can have my opinion, and that opinion is that Breaston hasn't proven anything, and sure hasn't proven that he is a capable replacement for Boldin. Every single player that has been franchised has been unhappy, for the most part, and there are players on every team that don't like thier deal. Boldin ws unhappy last year, played well, and came back quick from a tough injury. He appears to be a long, long way from TO.

Make no mistake, I think a trade is understandable. But lowering your trade demands, if that were actually the case, makes no sense.
Break that down for us. :popcorn:
 
I don't believe he'd go that low...but if it's true, I hope SF gets in the running. In the division so chances are even more slim, but I'd be fine with them giving up their first rounder.

 
:excited: , he isn't going anywhere for a 2nd and change.
I was coming in here to post that I dont believe this latest BS.What I do perceived as possible... is that in talks with a team or two... Arizona wanted a considerable player(s) along with a second round pick.Lowering the draft pick while increasing the player returned is not lowering the demand. It actually may be increasing it.
:popcorn: For a contending team to want a better player and cheaper pick makes a lot of sense IMO.If the Cards net a top DT or RB and a 2nd for Boldin, assuming they believe that Breaston is an adequate #2 WR or they can get one of their other players to step up, they've done very well IMO. Or perhaps a better OT, but Justice - that has to be a joke.
 
I don't believe he'd go that low...but if it's true, I hope SF gets in the running. In the division so chances are even more slim, but I'd be fine with them giving up their first rounder.
If he goes for that price, to an NFC team (Not the Cards first choice, I am sure), then pretty much every other teams' fans should be pissed at their respective front offices.
 
Why is Minnesota not in the discussion here?

I know they could use some help in the defensive backfield, but overall their defense is well above average. Their biggest weakness is their struggles in the passing game, and this along with Rosenfels would be a HUGE step in filling that hole. Far more valuable than anything they could pick up at #21 in the draft.

Is it just a cap thing?

 
Agree with just about everyone here. I don't know why teams like the Eagles and ESPECIALLY the Giants, aren't tripping over themselves to grab Boldin at this point. The man is a fantastic receiver who is tough as nails.

 
It is amazing to me that Boldin isn't worth a late 1st.I really think that teams just don't have the guts. I think they just go with the safe route, and have a fear of giving up their draft picks. it's NOT a money thing, you knoow how many teams can afford Boldin? A dozen, at least.
But if you want to keep Boldin you will need to sign him to a long term contract and he will want what? 7,8,9 million a year? I don't know to be honest but figure it will be alot. A late first round pick you can probably sign for less than half that, right?
 
It is amazing to me that Boldin isn't worth a late 1st.I really think that teams just don't have the guts. I think they just go with the safe route, and have a fear of giving up their draft picks. it's NOT a money thing, you knoow how many teams can afford Boldin? A dozen, at least.
But if you want to keep Boldin you will need to sign him to a long term contract and he will want what? 7,8,9 million a year? I don't know to be honest but figure it will be alot. A late first round pick you can probably sign for less than half that, right?
Even less, I think.But how many teams have cap problems? There are a lot of teams with Super Bowl aspirations that can afford him, no problem.
 
ESPN reports TENN has offered 2nd and a player, has permission to talk to 'Quan and his agent regarding a contract.

Late 2nd...wonder who the player is? a RB?

 
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They just reported on sportscenter (so no link) that the Titans offered a 2nd and a player. The titans are now negotiating with drew rosenhous. All this per Sal Palentonio

 
ESPN reports TENN has offered 2nd and a player, has permission to talk to 'Quan and his agent regarding a contract.Late 2nd...wonder who the player is? a RB?
Tenn would be a god awful place for him to end up. I can't imagine he'd even entertain the thought when a team like the Eagles is out there needing a WR.
 
How in the world can a team turn around and trade one of its best players to the team it just played in the Conference Championship game?Just when you think AZ is turning into a legit franchise...Still can't believe they would trade Boldin to the Eagles for nothing more than a #2 pick and some throw-ins.
Sal is a Joke!The Cards are not going to trade Boldin to the Eagles (whom they just beat down in the NFC championship game) for a 2nd rd pick. Pick and a player but that player would probably have to be Westbrook.
 
Why is Minnesota not in the discussion here?I know they could use some help in the defensive backfield, but overall their defense is well above average. Their biggest weakness is their struggles in the passing game, and this along with Rosenfels would be a HUGE step in filling that hole. Far more valuable than anything they could pick up at #21 in the draft.Is it just a cap thing?
They have 17 million in cap space left... I have no idea why they wouldn't be involved, apart from sticking to their whole "not giving up the draft" thing they said. No reason they shouldn't get involved.
 
Tenn would be a god awful place for him to end up. I can't imagine he'd even entertain the thought when a team like the Eagles is out there needing a WR.
Who is 'he'? Anquan? I am quite sure if the Titans pay 10 mill per, he'll be happy to go there. he just won't draft himself in his fantasy football league.
 
I'm wondering why the Bears are not at least throwing their hat in the ring.

We havea good QB for once, give him a good target. Unless they think Hester will be good enough

Are they worried about cap space?

 
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Break that down for us. :lmao:
if we don't know the Cards coaches' opinion, then it is irrelevant to bring it up. If someone has a quote from Whis stating that Breaston is the next big thing, swell.
:banned: The Cards staff opinion on Breaston is the only relevant opinion pertaining to him. You say we don't know what to think of him, I disagree - check his games without Boldin, but all that matters is whether the Cardinals think they're better off trading Boldin.

 
Pro Football Talk:

Cardinals Looking At Titans’ Running BacksPosted by Aaron Wilson on April 24, 2009, 6:50 p.m. In a potential precursor to trade discussions regarding Pro Bowl wide receiver Anquan Boldin, the Arizona Cardinals are “gathering information” on Tennessee Titans running backs LenDale White and Chris Henry, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.The Titans are in need of a big-play wide receiver to work in tandem with quarterback Kerry Collins and running back Chris Johnson.White, who’s entering the final year of his rookie deal, or Henry could emerge as potential bargaining chips in the Boldin talks. The Cardinals are willing to trade Boldin for a second-round draft pick and other compensation, according to ESPN.com.White led the NFL with 15 rushing touchdowns last season, but lost a key fumble in the Titans’ playoff loss to the Batimore Ravens.In three seasons, the former USC standout has rushed for 2,127 career yards and 22 touchdowns.
And of course, on ESPN, the Cards jsut said they ahve received no offers for Boldin. :banned:
 
How in the world can a team turn around and trade one of its best players to the team it just played in the Conference Championship game?Just when you think AZ is turning into a legit franchise...Still can't believe they would trade Boldin to the Eagles for nothing more than a #2 pick and some throw-ins.
Sal is a Joke!The Cards are not going to trade Boldin to the Eagles (whom they just beat down in the NFC championship game) for a 2nd rd pick. Pick and a player but that player would probably have to be Westbrook.
Oh, just Westbrook?
 
Why is Minnesota not in the discussion here?I know they could use some help in the defensive backfield, but overall their defense is well above average. Their biggest weakness is their struggles in the passing game, and this along with Rosenfels would be a HUGE step in filling that hole. Far more valuable than anything they could pick up at #21 in the draft.Is it just a cap thing?
They have 17 million in cap space left... I have no idea why they wouldn't be involved, apart from sticking to their whole "not giving up the draft" thing they said. No reason they shouldn't get involved.
I would ship our #1 for Boldin in a heart beat. They have the cap space. I can't believe they haven't made the call. With AP and Chester coming out of the backfield and Boldin, Berrian, and Shiancoe going down the field it would be a classic case of "pick your poison" and getting beat by the run or get beat by the pass. The Vikings would have a huge matchup advantage on just about every team in the league.
 

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