Arizona Passing Game (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?

Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).

Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

 

[LHUCKS]

Don't forget that the NFC West boasts the worst pass defense teams in the NFL.

I hate Kolb, but there wasn't a better situation for him to land into.

 

[BallparkFrank]

He's got a great opportunity no doubt, but he also had DeSean, Maclin, Celek and McCoy to work with last year and look pretty meh whenever I saw him. The Eagles skill guys are very much on par with the Cards - if not better.

 

[We Tigers]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

 

[JetMaxx]

Heap is good but seemingly is hurt half the time, Edwards is good but very inconsistant. I would love a dependable guy, i.e, a Randel-El type signing to give him a 3rd down slot go-to WR.

 

[jsharlan]

I would love a dependable guy, i.e, a Randel-El type signing to give him a 3rd down slot go-to WR.

I think Andre Roberts will fit this role nicely.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

 

[We Tigers]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

 

[Gopher State]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

 

[Scooby1974]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

I'm not a believer in Kolb being a top QB...but not being able to beat out Vick isn't necessarily and indictment on Kolb's ability. Vick finished as a top 3 WR in league, beating out 29 other guys.

 

[Eminence]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

Vick couldn't beat Kolb before the season started.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I like the possibilities of Kolb's potential but I look at him like I look at Stafford. Both of these guys have shown flashes of fantasy greatness on a very limited basis but have also had some weaknesses exposed early on in their careers.

It's very hard to figure out exactly how things will progress in Arizona but I do feel like there will be some ups and downs. My gut tells me Kolb is going to have some huge fantasy games this year and also have some games where he struggles.

 

[Captain Hook]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

 

[renesauz]

You might be underselling him in some ways. Kolb is very smart, and the Arizona offense is not THAT differant from Philly's. On top of that, Kolb has been working out with Fitzgerald and other 'Zona players all summer.

The idea that Kolb is just now learning the offense is probably false...he's been working on it all summer.

Kolb will have a few tough games this year. After all, he only has 7 starts...but I expect he'll have more than a few great games against some weak defenses. I'm looking to target him relatively late as a dirt-cheap starter, and maybe couple him with "safer", more boring QB2 that has a high floor (Eli?) I see a low end starter as a reasonable expectation.

 

[bweiser]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league

...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

 

[bweiser]

taking the four games in the middle of 2010 that he played the majority of, he ranked 9th in PPG among QBs in my league.

no. 1 has supposedly retired and no. 6 might not have a starting job (palmer, orton).

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league

...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..

No way he out scores these guys:

Michael Vick

Aaron Rodgers

Philip Rivers

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Matt Schaub

Josh Freeman

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

MAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..

Sam Bradford

Jay Cutler

Matthew Stafford

Joe Flacco

More likely he lands in here:

Tim Tebow

Kevin Kolb

Mark Sanchez

Matt Cassel

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jason Campbell

Colt McCoy

Top 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league

...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..

No way he out scores these guys:

Michael Vick

Aaron Rodgers

Philip Rivers

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Matt Schaub

Josh Freeman

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

MAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..

Sam Bradford

Jay Cutler

Matthew Stafford

Joe Flacco

More likely he lands in here:

Tim Tebow

Kevin Kolb

Mark Sanchez

Matt Cassel

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jason Campbell

Colt McCoy

Top 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

I think going into this season, he definately deserves to be in the same group as Matthew Stafford. What has he ever proved to be ranked ahead of Kolb besides potential, which is kind of what we're going on Kolb. Kolb and Stafford definately need to be in the same category as they're both boom or bust type selections. You think Kolb and McCoy and Jason Campbell are in the same category? Wow is all I can say.Kolb will have ups and downs this year but he will have some big big fantasy weeks and weeks he may struggle. I think heading into this season Kolb is a very good candidate for QBBC.

 

[We Tigers]

Josh Freeman has one year as a very good QB with a likely unsustainable 6:1 TD:INT ratio. No chance he has a normal year, or struggles against Tampa's much harder 2011 schedule?

The Falcons unleashed Matt Ryan last year and he threw 130 more times than he had in any previous season, but had a very low yards per attempt. No chance they dial that back a bit and run the ball more this season?

Eli has been an interception machine. No chance that he throws as many as usual, but doesn't get the big TD numbers to compensate, or that a pair of games against Asomugha doesn't deaden his numbers a bit?

At least those three have questions just like Kolb. Would I still take any of them over him? Probably, but I don't think the scoring difference will be significant between them at all; if the others were gone, I'd be totally fine taking him as my starter. As has been pointed out, Kolb has had good fantasy starts when he's played. In Arizona, he is another reason that you can win big by waiting on QB, especially if they end up with one of the best receiver tandems in the league.

 

[Hoosier16]

taking the four games in the middle of 2010 that he played the majority of, he ranked 9th in PPG among QBs in my league.no. 1 has supposedly retired and no. 6 might not have a starting job (palmer, orton).

Even if you choose to ignore week 1 when he was hurt, you have to include week 17. Otherwise, you are cherry picking. When you include week 17, he falls down into about the early 20's on a PPG basis (depending on league scoring of course) and that's not even adjusting other QBs for their partial games.

 

[matuski]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league

...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..

No way he out scores these guys:

Michael Vick

Aaron Rodgers

Philip Rivers

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Matt Schaub

Josh Freeman

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

MAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..

Sam Bradford

Jay Cutler

Matthew Stafford

Joe Flacco

More likely he lands in here:

Tim Tebow

Kevin Kolb

Mark Sanchez

Matt Cassel

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jason Campbell

Colt McCoy

Top 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

I could see him finishing anywhere on that list starting with Romo down to Flacco.BTW - your prediction is just as baseless as any other. This is true simply because we don't have much to base any prediction on.

 

[Jason Wood]

Long-time Eagles fans know that I'm not a Kolb believer. I was nervous when the Birds traded McNabb away and gave Kolb the job, and really thought it would come back to haunt us. The Vick lottery ticket bailed the Birds out of that, and I never got to know if I was right or not. But now that he's in Arizona, we'll find out.

Here's the thing, he's clearly an upgrade over what the Cardinals threw out there in 2010, not that we're saying much. As long as the line can keep him upright, I suspect he'll be just what Larry Fitzgerald ordered. To me Fitz is a no brainer elite WR1 again, and could push for the top spot. But beyond that? Kolb specifically? I have my doubts, and won't be drafting him in any leagues, I would imagine.

 

[Insein]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

Well this is an ignorant statement from someone who didn't watch a single play of the eagles season last year.

 

[Insein]

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..No way he out scores these guys:Michael VickAaron RodgersPhilip RiversTom BradyPeyton ManningDrew Brees Tony RomoMatt RyanMatt SchaubJosh FreemanBen RoethlisbergerEli ManningMAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..Sam BradfordJay CutlerMatthew StaffordJoe FlaccoMore likely he lands in here:Tim Tebow Kevin KolbMark SanchezMatt CasselRyan FitzpatrickJason CampbellColt McCoyTop 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

How many of those guys have a top 3 WR that they can throw to? If Larry Fitz was able to get 90 catches, 1100 yds and 6 TDs from DA, Max Hall and Helter Skelton than he can make Kolb look amazing. Add in the fact that what Kolb has shown in his limited starts shows that he is light years ahead of the bottom barrel scrubs you listed like Sanchez, Tebow and McCoy. Kolb will be a top 10 QB this year if healthy. He can easily beat out guys like Ryan, Freeman and Eli. Me thinks you are making baseless predictions while ignoring anything he's done so far.

 

[geoff8695]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?

Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).

Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

Andy Reid's 1st phone call upon deciding to trade McNabb was to Kolb, informing him that he was handing over the job to Kolb with 100% confidence. It wasn't that Kolb didn't beat out Vick, as Kolb began the season as the starting QB. Rather, it was Vick's unbelievable MVP caliber on the field perfofmance when Kolb was injured that beat out Kolb. Andy really wanted to give the job to Kolb, and believed in him, but Vick performed at such an unexpected and ridiculous level that it simply could not be ignored. I don't know how successful Kolb will be in AZ, but I won't hold it against him that Vick surprised everyone and turned in one of the best QB seasons we've ever seen in NFL history.

 

[Warhogs]

Kolb's value is pretty high already. In dynasty you might be better off targeting the backup like Skelton or Hall in case Kolb turns out to be a dud (from a dynasty standpoint that is).

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

bolded....call me crazy....but isn't that really what we are after in fantasy....getting the guy PRIOR TO/WHILE HE IS HAVING that season and when you can get him at a reduced rate....waiting until he proves himself over the course of a whole season kind of defeats the purpose....you want to get him before he produces, so you have him while he is producing to maximize your value....if he plays at a top 12 level this year, I want him when I get him in the 16+ area....not next year when everybody and their brother has him in the top 12 prior to the season....

with that said, I still have some questions about his overall talent.....but I don't about his opportunity, and that is usually the other half of the battle....if Reid saw enough of him to know that he liked him and originally was going to hand the keys over to him, that tells me something...I think he might know QB's a little better than me....nothing you can really do about Vick replacing you after an injury and going off.....Vick would have replaced about 27 other guys last year in the same situation as Kolb.....

I think by the time we get through some preseason games Kolb's ADP will increase, but he could still be a great bargain and give you some solid numbers as part of a QBBC....heck even if you take a stud QB early....he might be worth a flyer a little earlier than usual as some insurance for your stud if he goes down, cause he could maybe be the kind of guy that could still carry you....maybe like a backup to one of the top 7-8 guys.....that would only be if your roster could afford it when you think you need to pull the trigger....plus if you get him and he does have a good year, at least he isn't having it in somebody elses lineup....

lastly....Heap looked like a HOF'er against KC last year in the playoffs, so I think he is a nice addition....if they are able to get Edwards, I think Kolb is a nice play....but his ADP will start skyrocketing...

 

[Holy Schneikes]

There is a reason both of the new guys were no re-signed by their previous teams. I'm not saying they were bad pickups, I'm just saying both have issues, and even together they are not enough to have a drastic impact on my expectations for the passing game in Arizona.

 

[sho nuff]

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

Really...wouldn't even draft a guy with that upside and those weapons?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Josh Freeman has one year as a very good QB with a likely unsustainable 6:1 TD:INT ratio. No chance he has a normal year, or struggles against Tampa's much harder 2011 schedule?The Falcons unleashed Matt Ryan last year and he threw 130 more times than he had in any previous season, but had a very low yards per attempt. No chance they dial that back a bit and run the ball more this season?Eli has been an interception machine. No chance that he throws as many as usual, but doesn't get the big TD numbers to compensate, or that a pair of games against Asomugha doesn't deaden his numbers a bit?At least those three have questions just like Kolb. Would I still take any of them over him? Probably, but I don't think the scoring difference will be significant between them at all; if the others were gone, I'd be totally fine taking him as my starter. As has been pointed out, Kolb has had good fantasy starts when he's played. In Arizona, he is another reason that you can win big by waiting on QB, especially if they end up with one of the best receiver tandems in the league.

Kolb has never proven anything, all of those guys have passed the test.. Kolb isn't in their league yet.. If Kolb does something amassing, then great. His ranking shouldn't be in the same tier as of now..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already liked Kolb in Arizona, but Heap and Edwards would firmly lodge him in the tier after the top 7. Might be a mini-tier in there with Roethlisberger and Schaub, but I would have no problem putting Kolb in the Ryan/Eli/Freeman group.

Good luck with that. Anyone drafting Kolb on par with any of the guys you've named above should have their head examined..

Where do you rank him, then? While he have a small sample size for Kolb, he's been pretty good, and is now entrenched as a starter, not a backup who might or might not play. I could buy an argument putting him with, say, Cutler/Flacco/Stafford, but can't picture him anywhere below that.

Kolb is NOT a starting QB in a twelve team league

...............might he be next year if he proves himself over a whole season - sure, but for redraft leagues I am not sure I would even draft him as a bye week sub - maybe depends on the schedule that week. I could see him drafted as part of a QBBC and he might well emerge as the clear starter from a group of three - otoh let's remember he has to learn a brand new system, new terminology, and work with new players and coaches.

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..

No way he out scores these guys:

Michael Vick

Aaron Rodgers

Philip Rivers

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Matt Schaub

Josh Freeman

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

MAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..

Sam Bradford

Jay Cutler

Matthew Stafford

Joe Flacco

More likely he lands in here:

Tim Tebow

Kevin Kolb

Mark Sanchez

Matt Cassel

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jason Campbell

Colt McCoy

Top 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

I could see him finishing anywhere on that list starting with Romo down to Flacco.BTW - your prediction is just as baseless as any other. This is true simply because we don't have much to base any prediction on.

BTW, I never made a prediction..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Have no idea why or how you'd make that prediction.. This is just wishful thinking methinks..No way he out scores these guys:Michael VickAaron RodgersPhilip RiversTom BradyPeyton ManningDrew Brees Tony RomoMatt RyanMatt SchaubJosh FreemanBen RoethlisbergerEli ManningMAYBE, he falls into this group.. BIG MAYBE..Sam BradfordJay CutlerMatthew StaffordJoe FlaccoMore likely he lands in here:Tim Tebow Kevin KolbMark SanchezMatt CasselRyan FitzpatrickJason CampbellColt McCoyTop 12 prediction doesn't make much sense, and is pretty much a baseless prediction.

How many of those guys have a top 3 WR that they can throw to? If Larry Fitz was able to get 90 catches, 1100 yds and 6 TDs from DA, Max Hall and Helter Skelton than he can make Kolb look amazing. Add in the fact that what Kolb has shown in his limited starts shows that he is light years ahead of the bottom barrel scrubs you listed like Sanchez, Tebow and McCoy. Kolb will be a top 10 QB this year if healthy. He can easily beat out guys like Ryan, Freeman and Eli. Me thinks you are making baseless predictions while ignoring anything he's done so far.

Top 10..?.. lol, good luck with that.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No way I draft Kolb as my starting QB in any league unless he's my QB2 in a start 2 QB's league.. And then I'd still want to have another good prospect in case he fails.

 

[David Yudkin]

Count me in the camp that thinks Kolb is an average QB. I will give him an uptick based on landing in what could be a decent opportunity, but I still have doubts.

Kolb has thrown 20 passes in a game 8 times. In those games, his totals were 1964-11-12. For the mathematically challenged, that works out to 3928-22-24 projected over a full season (obviously based entorely on PHI stats).

HOWEVER, of those 8 games, SEVEN of them were against Bottom 10 pass defenses. Given the explosive nature of the Eagles offense combined with the cakewalk schedule of defenses, I would suggest that Kolb really didn't light the world on fire in his performance in those games.

IMO, the Eagles offense trumps the Cardinals offense. Maybe Kolb will do better playing half his games indoors and thus get a statistical advantage from that. He also could gel better with his new team (which could evolve into a top offense in his own right). But he was prepped to go as the starter last year with an entire preseason to work with the Eagles first team offense. IMO, the best we can say is he did ok . . . basically 3 very good games and the rest were pretty average.

If we jump ahead to this year, even playing catch with some of the Arizona players in the offseason, I don't think he will hit the ground running with the offense given the hasty and somewhat shortened preseason. I would never say don't draft him in fantasy, but I would not want him as a QB1.

At the moment, his ADP is QB18, but I suspect that that will be rising the closer we get to the start of the season now that he was traded and things correcnt themselves. (His overall ADP went up 8 spots in a matter of the past few days and continues to rise.) I might draft him as a backup, but I really wouldn't want to have to count on him if my QB1 went down for an extended period. I would take him over some other guys as QB2s, but it would really depend on who my QB1 was and who else was available at other positions in the 9th-11th round range in a 12 team league.

 

[adrenaline]

I think Kolb has a great chance to succeed, but with all the hype he will be drafted well before I get to him.

 

[LHUCKS]

Also wanted to add that Doucet is the real sleeper here...he's a better playmaker than Roberts IMHO.

 

[Captain Hook]

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

I will bet a 3 year FBG subscription or a bottle of wine from your birth year against that

 

[We Tigers]

Count me in the camp that thinks Kolb is an average QB. I will give him an uptick based on landing in what could be a decent opportunity, but I still have doubts.Kolb has thrown 20 passes in a game 8 times. In those games, his totals were 1964-11-12. For the mathematically challenged, that works out to 3928-22-24 projected over a full season (obviously based entorely on PHI stats).HOWEVER, of those 8 games, SEVEN of them were against Bottom 10 pass defenses. Given the explosive nature of the Eagles offense combined with the cakewalk schedule of defenses, I would suggest that Kolb really didn't light the world on fire in his performance in those games.

Just of note, San Francisco and Seattle were ranked the 24th and 27th pass defenses last year, and neither team has done much to improve their back 7 in the offseason. There's 4 games against likely bottom 10 pass defenses right there. The Rams have a decent enough defense and will improve with Mikell back there too, so I see them as more of an average out.Since you got to talking intangibles, I think one major one that could lead to some improvement is that this is Kolb's team now. I know all NFL players are professionals, and that backups have to be ready, but I don't think we saw his best last year. How incredibly demoralizing can it be to be raised up as the new top dog in town, then lose it all because you got hurt? When Kolb came in to relieve Vick, I thought he was tentative and less sharp than I'd seen. Philadelphia was such a volatile situation for him the last couple of years--more than any other QB, I think he really needed a change of scenery (and not just because he was a backup there!). I know that's soft stuff, but I think confidence and comfort can go a long way for the leader of an offense.I do agree that Philly's talent is superior to Arizona's, but I still see Kolb as a contender for yardage in the high 3000s and 25 TDs (albeit with a whole lot of interceptions) if Braylon signs.

 

[rjv]

Assuming that Braylon Edwards signs in Arizona (should be soon), is there a better landing spot for a QB to be to succeed than Arizona?

Kolb will have two-6,3, big bodied, 1st-Round pedigree receivers to throw to in Edwards and Fitzgerald. Both of these players have a knack for coming down with the ball in the air and have made Derek Anderson (among other scrub QBs look serviceable).

Throw in Todd Heap and you've got to wonder if it's even possible for Kolb to fail.

Well grasshopper he could not beat out vick so I would not expect to much in az

This has to be the most idiotic statement I ever heard. Your comparing Kolb with Vick?? Totally different QBs and Vick just happend to have a super season.

 

[Welshie]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been.

I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

 

[Terpman22]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

Nor will he forget everything he was taught just because he is in Arizona.

 

[Tanner9919]

barring injury, kolb will finish in the top 12 at QB.

I will bet a 3 year FBG subscription or a bottle of wine from your birth year against that

I'll take you up on that offer..PM me if you want to do this bet..in 2010, Az finished

26th in pts scored

11th in passing attempts

31st in total yards

31st in 1st downs

31st in passing yards

31st in passing tds

20th in int's

31st in ny/a

32nd in rush yards AND attempts

24 in rush tds.

31st in Time of Possession.

etc.

that offense has nowhere to go but up...Sure Kolb did well against bottom-feeding pass defenses last season,but isn't the NFC West full of bottom-feeding pass defenses anyways?

the number that sticks out to me is that they finished 11th in passing attempts, so the chance is there for Kolb to throw a TON of passes in 2011..

the problem was that the AZ QB's couldn't hit the ocean with a beach ball last season..

and they couldn't sustain drives as a result.

Kolb is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than anything they had at QB..

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Kolb has thrown 20 passes in a game 8 times. In those games, his totals were 1964-11-12. For the mathematically challenged, that works out to 3928-22-24 projected over a full season (obviously based entorely on PHI stats)

That is a really, really misleading set of stats.In those 8 games, you're counting a game where he played only the 2nd half in his first ever career action against the Ravens defense back in 2008 (in a game where the Ravens D was murdering the Eagles even when McNabb was under center). You're also counting week 17 of last year where Philly benched all their starters and Kolb was throwing to the likes of Chad Hall and Riley Cooper with god knows who trying to block for him.If you look at the games that Kolb ACTUALLY played meaningful time in a real situation, his totals were 1729-10-7 in six games, which projects out to 4610-27-18.Whether Arizona is an upgrade or a downgrade is arguable. He loses a great QB friendly system and some good talent and gains perhaps the best WR in the game, a signficantly weaker division, and a whole lot of extra garbage time. The key is whether Arizona's line can block for him, because pressure seems to rattle him.I'm not saying Kolb is going to be god's gift to fantasy football, or even that he's going to be any good this year, but the idea that his real in game action thusfar has been bad from a fantasy perspective is entirely misleading.

 

[aimlessgun]

Too many variables and not enough of a track record. But nothing about the situation makes me say "wow, he HAS to succeed." Edwards is not that great, Breaston is gone and the WR's after that may or may not pan out (hoping Doucet does). Heap may or may not pan out, he's a name but was let go for a reason. The AZ O-line is nothing to write home about. The run game is nothing to write home about. All in all, he could be anywhere from QB 8 to QB 20.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

Nor will he forget everything he was taught just because he is in Arizona.

So he'll be memorizing Andy Reid's play book and calling those plays himself in AZ?Bet McNabb wishes he would have thought of that ... lol

 

[Terpman22]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

Nor will he forget everything he was taught just because he is in Arizona.

So he'll be memorizing Andy Reid's play book and calling those plays himself in AZ?Bet McNabb wishes he would have thought of that ... lol

In case you are new to football, there is more to coaching than getting someone to memorize a playbook

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

Nor will he forget everything he was taught just because he is in Arizona.

So he'll be memorizing Andy Reid's play book and calling those plays himself in AZ?Bet McNabb wishes he would have thought of that ... lol

In case you are new to football, there is more to coaching than getting someone to memorize a playbook

In case you are new to football, Andy Reid runs a prolific offense, and you can't expect the same product when a player switches over to Ken Whisenhunt...

 

[Insein]

Andy Reid traded the best QB in Eagles franchise history to make Kevin Kolb his starter. If not for one of the most elite physical talents ever to step onto an NFL field showing ridiculous ability, Kolb would still be the starting QB for the Eagles today. Reid's track record with QBs is one of the more impressive ones in the NFL. His pedigree as a QB coach was with Favre, he developed a borderline HOFer in McNabb, and he's molded Michael Vick into as complete a QB as he's ever been. I trust Andy Reid's judgment that this guy can play. As far as fantasy this year goes, I think Kolb will probably have some subpar fantasy games to start the year, because of learning timing and integrating into the offense, but I look for him to blow up in the second half. I would draft him in the QB9-QB14 range and try and pair him with a Flacco, Stafford, or Freeman, but I would not be shocked at all if Kolb is one of the hottest hands down the stretch into the fantasy playoffs, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him Top 10.

He will no longer have Andy Reid in AZ...

Nor will he forget everything he was taught just because he is in Arizona.

So he'll be memorizing Andy Reid's play book and calling those plays himself in AZ?Bet McNabb wishes he would have thought of that ... lol

In case you are new to football, there is more to coaching than getting someone to memorize a playbook

In case you are new to football, Andy Reid runs a prolific offense, and you can't expect the same product when a player switches over to Ken Whisenhunt...

You can't expect him to fall off a cliff either. Its a wait and see approach but he has the potential, the weapons and the schedule to have a good showing this year.

 

[smackdaddies]

To be top 12, Kolb will need to hit (approximately) 3,500 yards passing, 24TD's, 12 INT - adjust as you see fit, but those are ballpark numbers for a top 12 qb

To me, he has not demonstrated the ability to hit those numbers. Can he beat that? Sure. Would I draft him as my 3rd qb in a deep roster 12 team league? Yes. As my #2 in a 16 team, start 2 qb? If I had to. But pretty much betting on potential and that's not what I want to take a shot on as my #1.