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Arthur Brown, The Next Luke Keuchly (1 Viewer)

Langly

Footballguy
Although this time around the story begins with Brown starting in the MLB spot.

Whos with me? Anyone think Brown has as much of an impact as Keuchly did? I know Keuchly led a many teams to the superbowl(he did mine) With the seemingly excellent position Brown is in, do you see him putting up dominating numbers?

 

TheBottomLine

Footballguy
I'm expecting 80-90 solos and 30+ assists for him as a rookie. There are plenty of tackles to be had in Baltimore with Ray retired and Ellerbe moving on to Miami.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Arthur Brown = Luke Keuchly?

I'm from Missouri on this particular rookie.

The hype is already out of control.

Don't tell me, just Show Me.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Arthur Brown = Luke Keuchly?

I'm from Missouri on this particular rookie.

The hype is already out of control.

Don't tell me, just Show Me.
It will be a lot harder to get him in a rookie draft after he shows you.
I'm not too concerned.

He's not Luke Keuchly.

He's not.

We don't know what he is but we know Baltimore rotated their LBers and the snaps last year based on what each individual player exceeded at so he will likely see the field but I highly doubt he'll be rakng in a high percentage of snaps, especially his rookie year.

I think he'll be available on the waiver wire later this season and by that time their will a clearer picture of his skills and how the Ravens will use him.

People are really jumping the gun on this guy.

You just don't know at this time.

 

Abspara

Footballguy
Arthur Brown will be a fine addition to any IDP roster, but i'd temper expectations a bit. Luke Keuchly level of production is a bit of a stretch considering the defensive dynamics of both teams and their respective offenses.

 

ShaHBucks

Footballguy
Keuchy will be HOF'er. He's in a class with Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher. I think Brown is solid/ok but he'll likely be forgotten than possibly being elite.

 

MindCrime

Footballguy
Keuchy will be HOF'er. He's in a class with Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher.
Wow, jump the gun much?I love Keuchly as well, but HOF after 1 season on a bad team with little competition for tackles? Lets give the "HOF" talk and the Ray Lewis comparisons a rest for a few seasons.
 

Langly

Footballguy
Its to bad Brown couldn't run any drills at the Combine. That way we could better compare the two players.

My Honest opinion is that Brown will be a solid Fantasy producer and Lber. However, I dont think he will be as good as Keuchly.

Keuchly overall is just better build for the NFL Lber Role.

Although, Brown does have the great instincts, that Keuchly has, going for him,

 

gandalas

Footballguy
I don't even think that Brown will be the top LB from his class when all is said and done.
Who's your money on?
If he wins the WOLB spot, then Ogletree should be a STRONG contender. Jo-Lonn Dunbar, who I see as an average talent, finished last season as an LB1 in the position. And Fisher drafted another OLB in the exact same spot back back in 2000 who had a pretty nice career. :)

 
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TheBottomLine

Footballguy
I don't even think that Brown will be the top LB from his class when all is said and done.
Who's your money on?
If he wins the WOLB spot, then Ogletree should be a STRONG contender. Jo-Lonn Dunbar, who I see as an average talent, finished last season as an LB1 in the position. And Fisher drafted another OLB in the exact same spot back back in 2000 who had a pretty nice career. :)
So Ray Lewis didn't have a pretty nice career? Not saying he is Ray Lewis but if you're going to make an argument that Ogletree is in a spot where guys have produced in the past, then I have no idea how Arthur Brown isn't. Arthur Brown has the best opportunity of any linebacker drafted.

There are plenty of sleepers who are capable of having really nice careers. I really like Sio Moore, Oakland. He's an athletic freak, ran a 4.65 forty with a 38 inch vertical and 10'7'' broad jump. He had 15.5 tackles for loss last season, with 8 sacks and 11 passes defensed at UConn.

 

PlasmaDogPlasma

Footballguy
My concern with Ogletree is that he'll be sharing tackles with both Laurinaitis and Dunbar on a team that could be better on both defense and offense which could reduce total snaps.

That obviously doesn't mean he won't be a great producer, but for pure opportunity I would agree that Brown is in the better spot.

 

cheese

Footballguy
Brown can be head and shoulders above the rest of this class and still be way, way below Kuechly.

 

ShaHBucks

Footballguy
I don't even think that Brown will be the top LB from his class when all is said and done.
Who's your money on?
If he wins the WOLB spot, then Ogletree should be a STRONG contender. Jo-Lonn Dunbar, who I see as an average talent, finished last season as an LB1 in the position. And Fisher drafted another OLB in the exact same spot back back in 2000 who had a pretty nice career. :)
Agreed. He even has upside to slide inside if Laurinaitis is hurt. I respect the fact that Arthur Brown will be a starter but I think he's just solid.
 

Shutout

Footballguy
Its not fair to compare him to Kuechly. If ou've watched Kuechly in college, you KNEW that this is one of those guys that only comes around every so often. He is dynamic and he is special because he has the ability to diagnose a play as soon as the first step is taken. No combine is ever going to show that but he obviously has the physical traits to back it up.

Brown is obviously in about as ideal a situation as you can get but he's not the player Kuechly is and what he may have on Ray Lewis at this respective point in age in terms of burst, he more than gives away to Lewis in experience.

Best case scenario, I think you have a young Jared Mayo type. A guy that will go after it and will play in an environment that will present the opportunities, but I doubt he is anywhere as near to Kuechly as being thought of. I think people are overdrafting him HARD.

The guy I like out of the gate in this draft and probably for a good half of the typical number of years in a career is Mingo. I think he can be Clay Matthews right now. That is a little too much feast or famine for my taste, personally, but I think with compiled numbers; he is the guy. For every week steady production you can depend on, probably Brown or Bostic on the low end, Moore or Alonso on the "surprise" side. Jarvis and Ogletree just don't do it for me. I smell a rat with Jarvis and I think Ogletree will be "a" man of many instead of "the man. He simply doesn not have the talent to put himself on an equal footing with Lauranaitis at their respective ages.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Although this time around the story begins with Brown starting in the MLB spot.

Whos with me? Anyone think Brown has as much of an impact as Keuchly did? I know Keuchly led a many teams to the superbowl(he did mine) With the seemingly excellent position Brown is in, do you see him putting up dominating numbers?
I'm with you, I think others under rate him. Easily the best MIKE in this draft, if he isn't on par with Kuechly he is real damn close.

 

Langly

Footballguy
I think the BIGGEST plus for Brown is the situation he's in. I see no one who is there to really compete with him and therefore he will be a MLB starting day 1. Now a WLB, not a SLB, a MLB. Which in my experience produces a ton more points; which is why I give him the nod over say Ogletree, or Mingo.

This draft is filled with a lot of IDP talent, and I routinely seeing my personal drafts going Defense heavy. A few reasons for that, but most of all because the value and possibility for early production.

I've routinely went with Brown at the 1.12/1.14 area. over the likes of Weaton, Eifert., ect..Of course those are pretty heavy idp leagues...

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
I think the BIGGEST plus for Brown is the situation he's in. I see no one who is there to really compete with him and therefore he will be a MLB starting day 1. Now a WLB, not a SLB, a MLB. Which in my experience produces a ton more points; which is why I give him the nod over say Ogletree, or Mingo.

This draft is filled with a lot of IDP talent, and I routinely seeing my personal drafts going Defense heavy. A few reasons for that, but most of all because the value and possibility for early production.

I've routinely went with Brown at the 1.12/1.14 area. over the likes of Weaton, Eifert., ect..Of course those are pretty heavy idp leagues...
I had 1.12 and had I not traded the pick would have picked Brown. I traded down to 2.12 and 3.1 with the hopes of picking two LB's, but all but Ogletree were gone by the time my pick came around so I took Denard Robinson instead with the 3.1. I think that details how I feel about this class though, pick Brown at 1.12 or see who slips to the end of the 2nd and pick him instead.

 

TheBottomLine

Footballguy
Oh, in one league I am very pleased with my roster aside from my LB's, plus I'm a die-hard Ravens fan, so to me it was a no-brainer to take Brown at 1.08, however he went 1.07 right in front of me and the manager wouldn't budge when I offered him my 1.08 plus a 3rd round pick for him.

In my other league, I was in a situation where I could basically take whoever I wanted, whether it be by preference or just the top talent, and I had the 1.04 pick, 1.08 pick, and 1.10 pick (got the 1.04 and 1.08 in trades). However, since I was extremely disappointed at not getting Brown in my other league, I went ahead and planned on taking him at 1.04 just to be safe, and he went 1.03 right in front of me. Luckily, I ended up trading for him after the draft but in my two leagues Brown went 1.03 and 1.07. I really wish I was in your leagues where you were able to wait on Brown until 1.12/1.14, but he went much earlier. I'm not saying that's where he SHOULD have gone, but that is where he went.

My leagues are pretty standard for IDP scoring. 2 pts for solo, 1 for assist, 3 for sack, 4 for INT, 2 for pass defensed, 4 for fumble force/recovery, 12 pts for defensive TD. Offensively they are very standard as well.

 

gandalas

Footballguy
I think Ogletree will be "a" man of many instead of "the man. He simply doesn not have the talent to put himself on an equal footing with Lauranaitis at their respective ages.
How do you view the talent level of Dunbar? I see Ogletree as a step above him, and Dunbar had a better fantasy year than Lauranitis did last year.

In my opinion, it all depends on spot. If Ogletree stays at SOLB as he is currently practicing at, then I don't see him as a huge scorer. But if he can take that WOLB spot from Dunbar, then the sky is the limit as far as I am concerned.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Ogletree only has himself to overcome, even if he sticks at SAM. Clearly a superior talent to Dunbar and Little Animal. Fisher picked him because he has the rare ability to both effectrively cover and stuff the run, he'll be used accordingly. His diagnosing of plays needs serious work though, too often gets swallowed up vs. the run because he doesn't properly read the play.

If he sticks at SAM his upside will be somewhat limited, but 3 down duty, how they'll use him on run downs, and his ability to blitz should get him into the top 20 at minimum. Position change and sky's the limit.

 

Langly

Footballguy
Ogletree only has himself to overcome, even if he sticks at SAM. Clearly a superior talent to Dunbar and Little Animal. Fisher picked him because he has the rare ability to both effectrively cover and stuff the run, he'll be used accordingly. His diagnosing of plays needs serious work though, too often gets swallowed up vs. the run because he doesn't properly read the play.

If he sticks at SAM his upside will be somewhat limited, but 3 down duty, how they'll use him on run downs, and his ability to blitz should get him into the top 20 at minimum. Position change and sky's the limit.
One of the reasons I think Te'o and Brown will be this years breakout rookie LBs, They do exceptionally well at reading and reacting to a play. This is something that is harder to teach than learning how to shed a block or catch a pass ect.

I guess we wont really know how things will pan out till the season starts.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Just passing this along for those following Aurthur Brown.

I didn't even know he was recovering from a sports hernia but I guess he was.

Here's what Doc Jene said about anticipated recovery time.

Jene Bramel‏@JeneBramel30m

Sports hernia recovery won't affect Arthur Brown long term. But the reps he'll miss as he transitions to BAL hybrid scheme are a worry.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Was looking for an update on Brown but since he isn't back from his hernia surgery he has been out for mini camps and OTAs.

The only blurb about Arthur that I've been able to uncover comes from the Baltimore where they had this caption under his photograph.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-mike-prestons-baltimore-ravens-observations-from-day-1-of-team-minicamp-20130612,0,6451078.photogallery

( Doug Kapustin / Baltimore Sun / May 5, 2013 )

Meanwhile, rookie inside linebacker Arthur Brown looked small. There have been comparisons of Brown to Ray Lewis when it comes to speed, but Lewis never looked this small on the field. Former Ravens strong safety Bernard Pollard would make Brown look like a cornerback at his size

I found it interesting that the Ravens went out and signed Rolando McClain after drafting Brown.

When McClain didn't work out they then went out and signed Daryl Smith.

Most NFL teams don't go out and sign two veteran starting caliber inside linebackes if they are pleased with their projected starters.

The folks who keep harping on about Ozzie Newsome being the best GM have to take a sobering look at his most recent drafting history.

Here are the last five NFL drafts by the Baltimore Ravens:

2013

1 32 (32) Elam, Matt FS

2 24 (56) Brown, Arthur ILB (From Seahawks)

3 32 (94) Williams, Brandon DT 4 32 (129) Simon, John DE

4 33 (130) Juszczyk, Kyle FB (Compensatory Selection)

5 35 (168) Wagner, Ricky OT (Compensatory Selection)

6 32 (200) Lewis-Moore, Kapron DE

6 35 (203) Jensen, Ryan OT (Compensatory Selection)

7 32 (238) Mellette, Aaron WR

7 41 (247) Anthony, Marc CB

We have to be honest and say that we don't know how this class will turn out. We've seen the scouting reports, we know where these guys were drfted but right now we don't know how these guys will turn out so lets put this year's class off to the side.



2012

2 35[a]http://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Vikings_trade Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama

60 Kelechi Osemelehttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Kelechi_Osemele G/T Iowa State

3http://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Falcons_tradehttp://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Falcons_trade 84 Bernard Pierce RB Temple

4[c]http://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Bills_trade 98[a] Gino Gradkowski G/C Delaware

130[d]http://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Compensatory_pick Christian Thompson S South Carolina State

5 169[d]http://forums.footballguys.com/ endnote_Compensatory_pick Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly

6 198 Tommy Streeterhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Tommy_Streeter WR Miami (Fl)

7 236 DeAngelo Tysonhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/DeAngelo_Tyson DE Georgia

Upshaw fell in last year's draft and he has worked himself into a part-time role as a run stopper but he wasn't much of a pass rusher. He is being moved outside as a backup.

Osemele wasn't very good as a tackle but when he was moved inside he became a dominanting OG.

Pierce looked good as a part-time playing backup.

Gradkowski is projected as a starter this year however the Ravens signed a veteran OC so who knows how the kid will turn out?



2011

1 27 27 Jimmy Smith Cornerback Colorado

2 26 58 Torrey Smithhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Torrey_Smith Wide Receiver Maryland

3 21 85 Jah Reidhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Jah_Reid Offensive Tackle Central Florida

4 26 123 Tandon Dosshttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Tandon_Doss Wide Receiver Indiana

5 33 164 Chykie Brownhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Chykie_Brown Cornerback Texas

5 34 165 Pernell McPheehttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Pernell_McPhee Defensive End Mississippi State

6 15 180 Tyrod Taylorhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Tyrod_Taylor Quarterback Virginia Tech

7 22 225 Anthony Allenhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Anthony_Allen_(running_back) Running Back Georgia Tech

Jimmy Smith hasn't done much but I think they are counting on him to start this year.

Torrey has looked good but isn't a top-flight NFL #1 WR right now.



2010

2 11 43 Sergio Kindle Linebacker Texas

2 25 57 Terrence Codyhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Terrence_Cody Defensive Tackle Alabama

3 6 70 Ed Dicksonhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Ed_Dickson Tight End Oregon

4 16 114 Dennis Pittahttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Dennis_Pitta Tight End BYU

5 25 156 David Reedhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/David_Reed_(American_football) Wide Receiver Utah

5 26 157 Arthur Joneshttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Arthur_Jones_(American_football) Defensive Tackle Syracuse

6 25 194 Ramon Harewoodhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Ramon_Harewood Offensive Tackle Morehouse

Kindle was a bust.

Cody has been inconsistent.

The TEs have had their share of injries but Pita stepped up last year and has shown solid ability.

Arthur Jones is starting.



2009

1 23 23 Michael Oherhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Michael_Oher Offensive Tackle Mississippi

2 25 57 Paul Krugerhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Paul_Kruger_(American_football) Defensive End Utah

3 24 88 Lardarius Webbhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Lardarius_Webb Cornerback Nicholls State

5 1 137 Jason Phillipshttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Jason_Phillips_(linebacker) Linebacker Texas Christian

5 13 149 Davon Drewhttp://forums.footballguys.com/wiki/Davon_Drew Tight End East Carolina

6 12 185 Cedric Peerman Running Back Virginia

Oher had trouble on the blind-side so he was moved to the right side of the line and he's been a reasonably solid starter.

Kruger didn't do much till last year but just as he hit his stride he left via FA.

Webb is listed as a starter but last year he was injured..

The best starting players from the past five drafts in decending order of level of play are:

- OG Keleche Osemele

- WR Torrey Smith

- TE Dennis Pita

- LB Paul Kruger

- CB Ladarius Webb

If you compare the list of the past five drafts with any other team in the AFCN you will find that Baltimore has not had the best draft classes.

Ozzie has done an exceptional job of building a championship team last year but his latest draft classes have not been the best and quite rankly may rank the worst of his division.

Bringing this back to LB Arthur Brown, he is injured and has missed all mini camps and OTAs. The Ravens have gone out and signed veteran starting caliber inside linebackers. The last highly drafted LB who has worked out was Paul Kruger and it took Paul three years learning and bouncing around from LB to DE back to LB before he finally found his sea legs last year but he's gone.

Add the comments about Arthur Brown looking small and I think it will take time for Brown to turn into a solid starting NFL LBer.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
:tebow:

Add the comments about Arthur Brown looking small and I think it will take time for Brown to turn into a solid starting NFL LBer.
1996 NFL Draft LB Ray Lewis 6'-1" 245 lbs

2013 NFL Draft LB Arthur Brown 6'-0" 241 lbs

Just sayin'
I hear ya.

That came directly from the Ravens Insider section of the Baltimore Sun in Mike Prestons photo commentary from the first day of practice.

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Mike Preston's Ravens observations from Day 1 of team minicamp

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-mike-prestons-baltimore-ravens-observations-from-day-1-of-team-minicamp-20130612,0,6451078.photogallery#ixzz2WTrjzVnF

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If you take a look at the picture Arthur doesn't look that small but their isn't any context. Obviously the person making the comments had seen the other players they were referring to and made a mental comparison to Brown. I'm sure we've all seen players who looked or played smaller or bigger than their actual size so possibly Brown was looking overwelmed on his first day of practice and it made him appear smaller than his actual size but the comments came from a Raven beat reporter.

About the only thing that looks undefined from the photo are his calves which I don't think is a big deal.

It was the only update I could find on Brown.

I think the knee-jerk reaction to any Patriot or Raven high draft pick is they will step right in and dominate but its not true.

The Pats AND the Ravens have not been burdened with perfection when it comes to the NFL draft. People hav to take an objective look at team drafts and not assume that bad teams automatically make bad selections or good teams automatically make good selections.

The OP made that sort of false assumption and in lemming-like fashion many jumped off the cliff because this was an :tebow: Ozzie Newsome pick as if Ozzie never has missed or hasn't ever taken a guy who wasn't a Pro Bowler with a top pick.

 

PlasmaDogPlasma

Footballguy
Bracie Smathers said:
The OP made that sort of false assumption and in lemming-like fashion many jumped off the cliff because this was an :tebow: Ozzie Newsome pick as if Ozzie never has missed or hasn't ever taken a guy who wasn't a Pro Bowler with a top pick.
This seems like quite an assumption by you given that he never mentioned Ozzie.

Brown was a lot of people's top LB prospect before the draft. Maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong, but I don't think they need to be insulted.

 

Gandalf the Grey

Footballguy
Bracie Smathers said:
The OP made that sort of false assumption and in lemming-like fashion many jumped off the cliff because this was an :tebow: Ozzie Newsome pick as if Ozzie never has missed or hasn't ever taken a guy who wasn't a Pro Bowler with a top pick.
This seems like quite an assumption by you given that he never mentioned Ozzie.Brown was a lot of people's top LB prospect before the draft. Maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong, but I don't think they need to be insulted.
Not only that, Bracie's "analysis" of the Ravens last 5 drafts is terrible. Webb was injured last year, WTH does that have to do with whether he was a good pick? Of course he was. Torrey Smith is not a top flight #1 WR? ROFL, so what, he was without a doubt a successful pick. Could go on and on, just terrible altering of facts to squeeze into a silly point.

I'm not even a Ravens fan but that post was nonsensical.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Bracie Smathers said:
The OP made that sort of false assumption and in lemming-like fashion many jumped off the cliff because this was an :tebow: Ozzie Newsome pick as if Ozzie never has missed or hasn't ever taken a guy who wasn't a Pro Bowler with a top pick.
This seems like quite an assumption by you given that he never mentioned Ozzie.Brown was a lot of people's top LB prospect before the draft. Maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong, but I don't think they need to be insulted.
Not only that, Bracie's "analysis" of the Ravens last 5 drafts is terrible. Webb was injured last year, WTH does that have to do with whether he was a good pick? Of course he was. Torrey Smith is not a top flight #1 WR? ROFL, so what, he was without a doubt a successful pick. Could go on and on, just terrible altering of facts to squeeze into a silly point.

I'm not even a Ravens fan but that post was nonsensical.
Smith has played two years.

In 2011 he caught 50 passes for 841 yards and 7 TDs.

Nice rookie season.

Last year was his second season in the NFL and he caught 49 passes for 855 yards and 8 TDs.

Solid but if you feel that my take is laughable that those numbers don't equate to a top flight WR then we disagree.

From a week ago from NFL.COM

An article on Torey Smith 'emerging' as Baltimore's number one WR so they didn't even think he was the top WR on Baltimore and has yet to emerge.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000210306/article/torrey-smith-emerging-as-baltimore-ravens-no-1-wr

 

Gandalf the Grey

Footballguy
Bracie Smathers said:
The OP made that sort of false assumption and in lemming-like fashion many jumped off the cliff because this was an :tebow: Ozzie Newsome pick as if Ozzie never has missed or hasn't ever taken a guy who wasn't a Pro Bowler with a top pick.
This seems like quite an assumption by you given that he never mentioned Ozzie.Brown was a lot of people's top LB prospect before the draft. Maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong, but I don't think they need to be insulted.
Not only that, Bracie's "analysis" of the Ravens last 5 drafts is terrible. Webb was injured last year, WTH does that have to do with whether he was a good pick? Of course he was. Torrey Smith is not a top flight #1 WR? ROFL, so what, he was without a doubt a successful pick. Could go on and on, just terrible altering of facts to squeeze into a silly point.

I'm not even a Ravens fan but that post was nonsensical.
Smith has played two years.In 2011 he caught 50 passes for 841 yards and 7 TDs.

Nice rookie season.

Last year was his second season in the NFL and he caught 49 passes for 855 yards and 8 TDs.

Solid but if you feel that my take is laughable that those numbers don't equate to a top flight WR then we disagree.

From a week ago from NFL.COM

An article on Torey Smith 'emerging' as Baltimore's number one WR so they didn't even think he was the top WR on Baltimore and has yet to emerge.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000210306/article/torrey-smith-emerging-as-baltimore-ravens-no-1-wr
What in the world are you going on about? You are using ridiculous examples to support your thesis that the Ravens scouting dept is somehow overrated. Who cares if Torrey Smith is/was the number one WR on Baltimore? Who cares if his numbers (which are very good btw for a 2nd year WR) "equate" to being a "top flight" WR? The point is, Torrey Smith is hardly the case of a bad draft pick to support your silly point. Nor are most of the other picks you comment on. It was a bad point made even worse by your comment that anyone who doesn't agree with your silly thesis is somehow a "lemming " who hasn't looked at anything "objectively". Give me a break.

Too many wannabe sports writers around here making too many inane comments. The Ravens scouting department is overrated because Torrey Smith isn't a) the #1 WR on his team and b) isn't a top flight WR. The Ravens scouting dept. is overrated because Ladarius Webb, while good, was injured last year.

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Lol.

Funny the guy above you said I insulted people, then you made your post.

I guess you have the better take, you seem much more passionate.

You win, lol.

Peace.

 
The question, "Is Arthur Brown the next Luke Kuechly?" The answer is NO!

Kuechly was a 3x All American, 3x All ACC, ACC ROY in 2009, ACC Defensive POY, 2x Bowl MVP, Butkus, Lombardi, Lott IMPACT, and Nagurski Award winner while leading his team in tackles every year and leading the nation in tackles every year except his freshman year which he came in 2nd. In just 3 years at BC he racked up 532 tackles which re-wrote the FBS record book. Then what did he do as a NFL rookie? Just lead the league in tackles, win NFC Defensive Rookie of the Week (14), NFC Defensive Rookie of the Month (December), and win AP Defensive Rookie of the Year! Kuechly in just 1 year has already proven he's deserving of all his previous accolades and we might be witnessing the type of "one in a generation" players that fans, coaches, and fantasy owners salivate over.

Brown couldnt even manage to crack 100 tackles in a season at 2 different college programs!

 

TheBottomLine

Footballguy
I'm a die-hard Ravens fan and a big believer in Brown but even I agree with the above statement. Kuechly is just a freak, plain and simple.

 
Im a fan of the Ravens Defense. Ray Lewis was the heart of my defensive starters for years. Im in a 45 man Dynasty Keeper League and have built my IDP roster with Ravens. I still have Jameel McClain, Haloti Ngata, and Ladarius Webb. Plus I drafted Arthur Brown and Matt Elam but decided to cut Upshaw after he showed up out of shape to OTA's. I even had Sergio Kindle at one point and tried to work a trade for Rolando McClain. I love their defense and have faith that Coach Pees will put the right players in the right places.

 

ShaHBucks

Footballguy
The question, "Is Arthur Brown the next Luke Kuechly?" The answer is NO!

Kuechly was a 3x All American, 3x All ACC, ACC ROY in 2009, ACC Defensive POY, 2x Bowl MVP, Butkus, Lombardi, Lott IMPACT, and Nagurski Award winner while leading his team in tackles every year and leading the nation in tackles every year except his freshman year which he came in 2nd. In just 3 years at BC he racked up 532 tackles which re-wrote the FBS record book. Then what did he do as a NFL rookie? Just lead the league in tackles, win NFC Defensive Rookie of the Week (14), NFC Defensive Rookie of the Month (December), and win AP Defensive Rookie of the Year! Kuechly in just 1 year has already proven he's deserving of all his previous accolades and we might be witnessing the type of "one in a generation" players that fans, coaches, and fantasy owners salivate over.

Brown couldnt even manage to crack 100 tackles in a season at 2 different college programs!
Thank you.
 

ffchamp1

Footballguy
We draft in May. The LB's went Brown, Teo, Moore, Bostic and Alonso.

My guess is that if we drafted today it would be a toss up between Alonso, Bostic and Brown

 

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Azhais said:
Daryl Smith is emerging as the guy to own in Baltimore, which doesn't speak well for Brown this season anyway

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000228943/article/daryl-smith-quarterbacking-baltimore-ravens-d
Saw that too.

Difficult to find anything on Aurthur Brown since the draft so I was hoping a Raven fan would chime-in and give us their observations or relay anything that they've heard.

The iDP community is obviously interested in the inside linebacker rookies taken in the draft and how they are progressing.

First round

pick 30 St. Louis Rams LB Alec Ogeltree

Got to see a tiny bit of him in the Rams/Browns game. Um, he showed strength/physicality and some speed but he's a rookie and was out of place a few times. I didn't notice him in coverage or in applying pressure. I think he belongs but from the tiny bit I saw it will probably take some time. If they throw him in early as a starter he'll be learning on the job. If they slowly work him in then I can easily see him earning the job later in the season.

Bottom line, I liked the potential in what I saw but right now he's not ready to start.

Second round

38 or 6th pick of 2nd rd San Deigo Chargers LB Manti Te'o

The news flap doesn't seem to have fazed Te'o. I've only seen camp reports but they have all been glowing. He is getting along with teammates and seems to have earned their respect so that aspect seems good. Currently dinged but it seems a minor injury. I'd like to see him before making any bottom line comments

45 Arizona Cardinals LB Kevin Minter

Haven't heard anything nor seen him but very interested in hearing what people have to say.

46 Buffalo Bills LB Kiko Alanzo

See above.

50 Chicago Bears LB Jon Bostic

Was not following him but heard about and saw the big interception return for a TD. He seems to be impressing so I'm interested NOW :ph34r:

56 Baltimore Ravens LB Aurthur Brown

He had the surgery and was limited and out of action in mini-camp and OTAs. Haven't heard any camp reports and now it appears LB Daryl Richardson is the clear starter.

Of the above the only guys who I'm aware of that might have a shot to start on opening day are Te'o and Bostic. I think Ogletree has the ability to start but probably not early in the season. I haven't heard or seen enough of the others but hopefully we will get some good replies with updates or observations.

 

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