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I get your point about the TD drive not being game winning, but Tom Brady doesn't play defense. He drove his team to the go ahead score and should not be faulted for what the Giants did in response. And don't start with any hooey about leaving too much time on the clock.Brady should be faulted for his decision making on first down with 29 seconds and 3 time outs.switz said:
Switz, you've been getting unfairly blasted here by several Pats fans, but in order for a game to be called "probably the WORST choke job in the history of the Super Bowl" the team that wins needs to be considered a bunch of nobodys / overachievers. The Giants don't fall into that category. I suppose if the Giants are not contenders next year, I'll have to concede your point, but until then I prefer to view the Giants as a special team.switz said:
Do you happen to have stats on how many qbs have driven 40 yds in the final 35 seconds to put his team in position to send a game to OT (only include playoff games)? I'm thinking what it comes down to is you faulting Brady for not getting it done on the final drive (i.e. "crunch time"). You don't consider the drive that they actually scored a td "crunch time" even though there was just over 2 mins left in the game when they scored. In the superbowl when you're losing midway or late in the 4th qtr, I'm pretty sure it's crunch time.switz said:
You mean like when he screamed at Welker on a pass play to the sideline? You know the same play where it looked like Andre the Giant standing on the bench would have had trouble catching the pass.I did not lose any respect for Tom Brady. I was impressed by his toughness and how he kept his cool from beginning to end.
That's why Brady is still my favorite QB.
I think i read that the number is THREE. Mr. Brady is a .500 QB when he is sacked 3 times or more.Toughness, I'll give you. He stayed physically in the game, while taking a decent beating.Coolness? No way, he was totally unnerved. His throws were way off, he looked rattled every snap in the second half.Brady didn't have his best game by far but he really impressed me with his toughness and his coolness.
That's why Brady is still my favorite QB.
Do I think he sucks because of the game? No. Do I agree that he's been overrated? Yes. Other QBs face pressure week in and out, and put up stats and win games. Brady has usually had tons of time to throw, and when he doesn't he can't pull it off.
The numbers pretty much bear that out too (see my above post).
You are nuts. Brady stands in and takes the hit to complete a pass much better than any QB in the league. Eli Manning is famous for falling away and throwing off his back foot while facing pressure.There are two types of QB's in the NFL, those that step up into the pocket when facing pressure and those that fade away further from the line of scrimmage when facing pressure. Brady and Peyton Manning are the best at stepping up (Marino was great as well) and Aaron Brooks is the poster boy for fading away.
And how does this compare to other QBs when they're sacked 3 times or more?
Im not knocking Brady, but no way does he take a hit and deliver a pass better then Big Ben. No freakin' way.
Ummm . . . not even close.Here is Brady's record getting sacked three or more times in a game:I think i read that the number is THREE. Mr. Brady is a .500 QB when he is sacked 3 times or more.Toughness, I'll give you. He stayed physically in the game, while taking a decent beating.Coolness? No way, he was totally unnerved. His throws were way off, he looked rattled every snap in the second half.Brady didn't have his best game by far but he really impressed me with his toughness and his coolness.I did not lose any respect for Tom Brady. I was impressed by his toughness and how he kept his cool from beginning to end.
That's why Brady is still my favorite QB. :(
Do I think he sucks because of the game? No. Do I agree that he's been overrated? Yes. Other QBs face pressure week in and out, and put up stats and win games. Brady has usually had tons of time to throw, and when he doesn't he can't pull it off.
I really hesitate to break this one out since it's too often used inappropriately, but:Ummm . . . not even close.Here is Brady's record getting sacked three or more times in a game:I think i read that the number is THREE. Mr. Brady is a .500 QB when he is sacked 3 times or more.Toughness, I'll give you. He stayed physically in the game, while taking a decent beating.Coolness? No way, he was totally unnerved. His throws were way off, he looked rattled every snap in the second half.Brady didn't have his best game by far but he really impressed me with his toughness and his coolness.I did not lose any respect for Tom Brady. I was impressed by his toughness and how he kept his cool from beginning to end.
That's why Brady is still my favorite QB.
Do I think he sucks because of the game? No. Do I agree that he's been overrated? Yes. Other QBs face pressure week in and out, and put up stats and win games. Brady has usually had tons of time to throw, and when he doesn't he can't pull it off.
2001: 9-1
2002: 1-4
2003: 4-0
2004: 1-1
2005: 6-1
2006: 3-2
2007: 4-1
TOTAL: 28-10 (.737)
First off, I did not make an absolute statment. Here is what I said:I really hesitate to break this one out since it's too often used inappropriately, but:Ummm . . . not even close.Here is Brady's record getting sacked three or more times in a game:I think i read that the number is THREE. Mr. Brady is a .500 QB when he is sacked 3 times or more.Toughness, I'll give you. He stayed physically in the game, while taking a decent beating.Coolness? No way, he was totally unnerved. His throws were way off, he looked rattled every snap in the second half.Brady didn't have his best game by far but he really impressed me with his toughness and his coolness.I did not lose any respect for Tom Brady. I was impressed by his toughness and how he kept his cool from beginning to end.
That's why Brady is still my favorite QB.
Do I think he sucks because of the game? No. Do I agree that he's been overrated? Yes. Other QBs face pressure week in and out, and put up stats and win games. Brady has usually had tons of time to throw, and when he doesn't he can't pull it off.
2001: 9-1
2002: 1-4
2003: 4-0
2004: 1-1
2005: 6-1
2006: 3-2
2007: 4-1
TOTAL: 28-10 (.737)
Maybe it was 4 times but I really thought it was 3. Also the more I think about it the more I think I actually saw it on one of the shows after the Super Bowl (ESPN most likely).I did a google search to try and see if I could find that stat. I found it posted by someone else at a Bucs board too (I know I wasn't crazy that I heard/saw that stat).
