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As of Wednesday only one of the playoff games is soldout. (1 Viewer)

Still 7,500 left for the Packers to sell by 3:00. I live near Green Bay. The local news said all of major markets in the state will be blacked out if they don't sell out 72 hours before kickoff.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the building. Its terrible!

 
The Broncos, Panthers, Patriots, and Seahawks games are all sold out.
Denver, Seattle and New England should never have a problem filling a playoff game
The Panthers sold out their playoff game in 3 minutes. Also, while the stadium isn't always packed for every game, especially during bad seasons, the Panthers have sold out every home game but two since they became a NFL franchise in 1996.

 
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Is it the bad weather or are the consumers fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the building. Its terrible!
I have to think in Green Bay's case it's the weather. The high is currently predicted to be 0 degrees and once the sun goes down it will surely drop quickly. I would love to take my 7 year old sons to a Packers playoff game but I don't think I can pack enough layers on them to keep them warm in that weather. I suspect many others are thinking the same thing, thus the tickets still available.

I was actually joking that we should just go watch the Colts/Chiefs in the dome instead.

 
The Broncos, Panthers, Patriots, and Seahawks games are all sold out.
Denver, Seattle and New England should never have a problem filling a playoff game
The Panthers sold out their playoff game in 3 minutes. Also, while the stadium isn't always packed for every game, especially during bad seasons, the Panthers have sold out every home game but two since they became a NFL franchise in 1996.
awesome, when was the last time they had a bye week... congrats to Cam and company

 
The Broncos, Panthers, Patriots, and Seahawks games are all sold out.
Denver, Seattle and New England should never have a problem filling a playoff game
The Panthers sold out their playoff game in 3 minutes. Also, while the stadium isn't always packed for every game, especially during bad seasons, the Panthers have sold out every home game but two since they became a NFL franchise in 1996.
Living in Raleigh for the past 14 years and took the family to our first Panthers game a couple of weeks back against the Saints. While it did not have the pizzazz and bells and whistles like a lot of other places have, it was a very nice atmosphere, loud and just a good time...

 
The Broncos, Panthers, Patriots, and Seahawks games are all sold out.
Denver, Seattle and New England should never have a problem filling a playoff game
The Panthers sold out their playoff game in 3 minutes. Also, while the stadium isn't always packed for every game, especially during bad seasons, the Panthers have sold out every home game but two since they became a NFL franchise in 1996.
awesome, when was the last time they had a bye week... congrats to Cam and company
Their last bye was during the 2009 playoffs. Why?

 
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I can kinda understand the Green Bay not being sold out. Why the NFL would have them play a night game in Green Bay this time of the year is nuts. But that being said, GB fans have usually gone out in the cold to other games, so it is kinda surprising.

I think the main reason is just the NFL pricing out the fans. You figure for a family of 4 to go to an NFL game, you're probably looking at close to $400-$500 just to get into the game. That doesn't even include by food and what not once you get in. That's basically the cost of a weekend getaway.

 
News here in Indy last night said that there were ~5000 seats left and the lowest price seats available were $225. Said that many businesses didn't buy playoff seats. All of the "real" fans paid for their seats.

Look to see many red shirts on TV behind the benches as this is where these seats are located.

Not helping the situation is we got 5+" of snow here overnight.

Where is the best site to stream the game in case of a blackout?

 
So, what's the likely outcome here?

Cincy gets a blackout (most left to sell and a deadline in 45 minutes), but corporate sponsors (maybe with the teams and NFL begging) swoop in to buy tickets in GB and Indy to stop the embarrassment at just 1 blacked out playoff game this weekend?

 
I think this is great - greedy NFL paying the price for gouging prices on playoff tickets and its antiquated blackout rules. Pro sports is the only industry in the world that blames its customers for not buying its product. I love the guilt tactics: "Come on Green Bay, show the world that you're real fans!"

What really puts the capper on this is that each team plays in a very heavily taxpayer-subsidized facility. So the people paying for these teams' stadiums won't be able to see their team on TV in the playoffs.

According to research by Judith Grant Long, a Harvard University professor who studies stadium finance, the cost to the public (for Paul Brown Stadium) was closer to $555 million once other expenditures, such as special elevated parking structures, are factored in. No other NFL stadium had ever received that much public financing.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704461304576216330349497852
Plans for the 63,000-seat stadium that opened in 2008 as the home of the Indianapolis Colts were unveiled almost a decade ago. Since then, the collapse of the auction-rate bond market has led officials to restructure what grew to $666.5 million of public debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/super-bowl-lands-on-taxpayers-backs-as-stadium-deal-turns-sour.html
The Packers play in Lambeau Field, which was originally built in 1957. The 2003 renovation of the stadium cost $411 million, of which $241 million, or 59 percent, was paid by taxpayers. With ongoing costs included, the price tag for taxpayers on the renovation rose to $334 million through 2010. To pay for these renovations, Brown County taxpayers approved a half-cent sales tax

http://watchdog.org/68010/green-bays-no-1-in-taxpayers-paying-for-sports-stadiums/
The blackout rules have been in dire need of reform for a decade, and I think this really will bring things to a head. Congressmen and Senators will get involved if their constituents aren't able to watch the home team in the playoffs this weekend. Talk about scoring easy political points.

 
I think this is great - greedy NFL paying the price for gouging prices on playoff tickets and its antiquated blackout rules. Pro sports is the only industry in the world that blames its customers for not buying its product. I love the guilt tactics: "Come on Green Bay, show the world that you're real fans!"

What really puts the capper on this is that each team plays in a very heavily taxpayer-subsidized facility. So the people paying for these teams' stadiums won't be able to see their team on TV in the playoffs.

According to research by Judith Grant Long, a Harvard University professor who studies stadium finance, the cost to the public (for Paul Brown Stadium) was closer to $555 million once other expenditures, such as special elevated parking structures, are factored in. No other NFL stadium had ever received that much public financing.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704461304576216330349497852
Plans for the 63,000-seat stadium that opened in 2008 as the home of the Indianapolis Colts were unveiled almost a decade ago. Since then, the collapse of the auction-rate bond market has led officials to restructure what grew to $666.5 million of public debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/super-bowl-lands-on-taxpayers-backs-as-stadium-deal-turns-sour.html
The Packers play in Lambeau Field, which was originally built in 1957. The 2003 renovation of the stadium cost $411 million, of which $241 million, or 59 percent, was paid by taxpayers. With ongoing costs included, the price tag for taxpayers on the renovation rose to $334 million through 2010. To pay for these renovations, Brown County taxpayers approved a half-cent sales tax

http://watchdog.org/68010/green-bays-no-1-in-taxpayers-paying-for-sports-stadiums/
The blackout rules have been in dire need of reform for a decade, and I think this really will bring things to a head. Congressmen and Senators will get involved if their constituents aren't able to watch the home team in the playoffs this weekend. Talk about scoring easy political points.
Aside from the lost ticket revenue, what, if any, is the actual financial cost to a team of having a game blacked out locally?

 
Eagles playoff tickets for their wild-card game against the New Orleans Saints sold out in three minutes.
Hooray
Would love to have a head count of the Saints fans that will be in attendence. I'd put it at ~4,000-5,000.
I would love to witness these fans mixing it up. Philly is notorious but Saints fans don't take a lot of crap these days. Interesting, I imagine the Saints fans will start out jovial, but I can see problems developing in the stands for this one.

On 2nd thought, Philly will win this game so it might not matter.

 
I'd say pissed off fans who won't buy tickets the following year.
Are you responding to my question?

In your other post you said that the "real" fans bought their playoff seats while the suits didn't. Season tickets are sold out forever in Lambeau right? So who wouldn't buy...those who passed on playoff seats originally and now won't be able to watch at home because of their own decision?

 
News here in Indy last night said that there were ~5000 seats left and the lowest price seats available were $225. Said that many businesses didn't buy playoff seats. All of the "real" fans paid for their seats.

Look to see many red shirts on TV behind the benches as this is where these seats are located.

Not helping the situation is we got 5+" of snow here overnight.

Where is the best site to stream the game in case of a blackout?
Just went out to the Colts website and you can get a block of 6 nosebleeds for 106 apiece. Could also get 6 together in the 163 range.

Still way overpriced but not sure the local news there has teh facts right.

 
Aside from the lost ticket revenue, what, if any, is the actual financial cost to a team of having a game blacked out locally?
Pretty minimal. Team keep parking and concession money, but all ticket revenues go into the pool and are shared equally. The home team gets a stipend to pay for gameday operations. The NFL is the one setting this outrageous ticket prices.

The biggest losers are probably the local broadcast affiliate. For example, the Fox stations in Green Bay and Milwaukee are probably charging a premium for the local spots they get to sell during the game, knowing that something like 80 percent of local TVs will be tuned to them. That all goes away with a blackout, obviously.

 
I'd say pissed off fans who won't buy tickets the

following year.
Are you responding to my question?In your other post you said that the "real" fans

bought their playoff seats while the suits didn't. Season tickets are sold out forever in Lambeau right? So who wouldn't buy...those who passed on playoff seats originally and now won't be able

to watch at home because of their own decision?
Yeah, sorry, I was responding to you.

Obviously, Indy and GB are different situations. With Indy, the waiting list is short for season tickets. There is plenty of seasonal turnover.

I think the issue is less about future ticket sales and more about lost revenue for merchandise. Can you imagine 500,000 Colts fans in Indiana not being able to watch the game? Holding that many for 5000 tickets seems a bit harsh.

And I'm wondering how much the economy is in play here and in the future?! I have a friend who's been a season ticket holder with his company since they moved here and he is contemplating letting his tickets go due to rising costs and uncertainty in business.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.

 
News here in Indy last night said that there were

~5000 seats left and the lowest price seats available were $225. Said that many businesses didn't buy playoff seats. All of the "real" fans paid for their seats.

Look to see many red shirts on TV behind the benches as this is where these seats are located.

Not helping the situation is we got 5+" of snow here overnight.

Where is the best site to stream the game in case of a blackout?
Just went out to the Colts website and you can

get a block of 6 nosebleeds for 106 apiece. Could also get 6 together in the 163 range.

Still way overpriced but not sure the local news there has teh facts right.
Not sure. I know many tickets get returned right before game time. Could be faulty news but every channel was saying the same thing. I've been able to but tickets on the site in years past for sold out games the day before the game. In '06 I sat on the 45 in the 2nd row when we beat the Pats. I got lucky.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
 
Eagles playoff tickets for their wild-card game against the New Orleans Saints sold out in three minutes.
Hooray
Would love to have a head count of the Saints fans that will be in attendence. I'd put it at ~4,000-5,000.
I would love to witness these fans mixing it up. Philly is notorious but Saints fans don't take a lot of crap these days. Interesting, I imagine the Saints fans will start out jovial, but I can see problems developing in the stands for this one.

On 2nd thought, Philly will win this game so it might not matter.
Was thinking the same thing, although more likely many of our kinder, gentler Saints fans have no idea what they're getting into. I regularly hear stories about how bad our fans were treated on the road (and gosh we're so nice at home to visitors, which we are by the way).

And I rather like the Saints chances on Saturday actually.

 
Eagles playoff tickets for their wild-card game against the New Orleans Saints sold out in three minutes.
Hooray
Would love to have a head count of the Saints fans that will be in attendence. I'd put it at ~4,000-5,000.
I would love to witness these fans mixing it up. Philly is notorious but Saints fans don't take a lot of crap these days. Interesting, I imagine the Saints fans will start out jovial, but I can see problems developing in the stands for this one.

On 2nd thought, Philly will win this game so it might not matter.
Was thinking the same thing, although more likely many of our kinder, gentler Saints fans have no idea what they're getting into. I regularly hear stories about how bad our fans were treated on the road (and gosh we're so nice at home to visitors, which we are by the way).

And I rather like the Saints chances on Saturday actually.
I must have been unlucky then with my trip to New Orleans, although before kickoff the guy next to me warned me about the guy behind me who is a complete #### to visiting fans. And since the tickets I sat in were from ticketmaster, apparently they are usually taken by visiting fans.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
I think the Packers had offered the refund in the past. But quit that this year.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
I think the Packers had offered the refund in the past. But quit that this year.
thats insane and should be illegal; how can someone love an organization that does this?

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
I think the Packers had offered the refund in the past. But quit that this year.
thats insane and should be illegal; how can someone love an organization that does this?
Does what?

Applies their money to next year's invoice.

I think a lot of them do it.

I know the Titans at least used to.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
What if you don't renew your season tickets for next year?

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
I think the Packers had offered the refund in the past. But quit that this year.
wow. The way it works in Denver is we were asked to purchase tickets in early December and pay a $50 deposit. The tickets were printed and mailed once Broncos won the division, and the CC was charged for the balance once the Broncos secured the 1st round bye. If Broncos win, my CC will be automatically charged for the championship game.

Had the Broncos not had a home-game (i.e. KC winning division, home game was not assured until week 16), the $50 would have been applied towards next years tickets or refunded.

eta: link to Broncos post-season ticket policy

 
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:goodposting: $225-450 per seat is outrageous!
Yep. Overestimated the potential price on the Supply/Demand curve? I would never pay that for a ticket. Other might, and they only need X number of people to buy tickets. But, factor in food, parking, etc.. and you're looking at more money then most people are willing to pay. As long as enough people ARE willing, I guess they are fine. We'll see. I for one would love enough of a backlash against ticket prices to bring them down into a reasonable level, but I suspect that greed will win out.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
What if you don't renew your season tickets for next year?
Id say if you were not going to renew your tickets next year...you probably declined the playoff tickets

but its Green Bay...the amount of people who "don't renew" is quite low.

 
:goodposting: $225-450 per seat is outrageous!
Yep. Overestimated the potential price on the Supply/Demand curve? I would never pay that for a ticket. Other might, and they only need X number of people to buy tickets. But, factor in food, parking, etc.. and you're looking at more money then most people are willing to pay. As long as enough people ARE willing, I guess they are fine. We'll see. I for one would love enough of a backlash against ticket prices to bring them down into a reasonable level, but I suspect that greed will win out.
Great points. Playoff tickets were like $20 or less 40-50 years ago, I'm only curious what the cost of the ticket is to today's wages. Seems astronomical but maybe others have a better idea of how outrageous it is.

 
I work with a couple of Packer fans here in Charlotte. I've been trying to goad them into road-tripping up to Green Bay to watch the game - they both have family in the area, they have plenty of vacation time, especially early in the year, etc.... playoff game in Lambeau, literally frozen tundra, and all the rest. Neither one is remotely interested, they are convinced the Pack will lose by 2 TD's.

 
Is it the bad weather or are the consumers

fighting back due to the high ticket prices along with the crazy other costs? These organizations hit up tax payers for support but then price the avg and slightly above avg fan out of the

building. Its terrible!
I saw someone on Twitter say that the Colts made fans who wanted playoff tickets pay in

December for two playoff games, with no promise of a refund.
They only do that to the season ticket holders. They don't offer refunds, they apply unused funds towards next year's season tickets. It's a giant crock!
What if you don't renew your season tickets for next year?
Good question.

 
:goodposting: $225-450 per seat is outrageous!
I guess everything is relative. Tickets on the resale market go for that and well beyond if you want to go see a Patriots home game (especially if you want a decent seat). People here would shell that out in a heartbeat to see the Pats. Parking passes for the upcoming game are going for $267 on StubHub.

 
Eagles playoff tickets for their wild-card game against the New Orleans Saints sold out in three minutes.
Hooray
Would love to have a head count of the Saints fans that will be in attendence. I'd put it at ~4,000-5,000.
I would love to witness these fans mixing it up. Philly is notorious but Saints fans don't take a lot of crap these days. Interesting, I imagine the Saints fans will start out jovial, but I can see problems developing in the stands for this one.

On 2nd thought, Philly will win this game so it might not matter.
Was thinking the same thing, although more likely many of our kinder, gentler Saints fans have no idea what they're getting into. I regularly hear stories about how bad our fans were treated on the road (and gosh we're so nice at home to visitors, which we are by the way).

And I rather like the Saints chances on Saturday actually.
I must have been unlucky then with my trip to New Orleans, although before kickoff the guy next to me warned me about the guy behind me who is a complete #### to visiting fans. And since the tickets I sat in were from ticketmaster, apparently they are usually taken by visiting fans.
Huh, surprised but of course there are ######s in every crowd, can't avoid that. By and large we pride ourselves on being cool and welcoming to other fans. Maybe it was the years of losing that taught us to be humble, or maybe it's just because we know we're a tourist town and want people down here and are used to showing them hospitality, don't know, but I'd like to think we have a good rep.

 
:goodposting: $225-450 per seat is outrageous!
I guess everything is relative. Tickets on the resale market go for that and well beyond if you want to go see a Patriots home game (especially if you want a decent seat). People here would shell that out in a heartbeat to see the Pats. Parking passes for the upcoming game are going for $267 on StubHub.
Yeah, people were selling the last Seahawks/Rams game tickets for nearly triple their value. Anyone not interested in using those tickets should at least consider purchasing them for a little side cash.

I think if we're to assume the Seahawks see two playoff games this year the total cost for two seat to both games was just under $1,000 in my section. And there is no way in the world I'm missing a home game--that stadium is just too much fun.

 
:goodposting: $225-450 per seat is outrageous!
I guess everything is relative. Tickets on the resale market go for that and well beyond if you want to go see a Patriots home game (especially if you want a decent seat). People here would shell that out in a heartbeat to see the Pats. Parking passes for the upcoming game are going for $267 on StubHub.
I think the cost of living in the 2 areas may be a tad different. No?

 
Eagles playoff tickets for their wild-card game against the New Orleans Saints sold out in three minutes.
Hooray
Would love to have a head count of the Saints fans that will be in attendence. I'd put it at ~4,000-5,000.
I would love to witness these fans mixing it up. Philly is notorious but Saints fans don't take a lot of crap these days. Interesting, I imagine the Saints fans will start out jovial, but I can see problems developing in the stands for this one.

On 2nd thought, Philly will win this game so it might not matter.
Was thinking the same thing, although more likely many of our kinder, gentler Saints fans have no idea what they're getting into. I regularly hear stories about how bad our fans were treated on the road (and gosh we're so nice at home to visitors, which we are by the way).

And I rather like the Saints chances on Saturday actually.
I must have been unlucky then with my trip to New Orleans, although before kickoff the guy next to me warned me about the guy behind me who is a complete #### to visiting fans. And since the tickets I sat in were from ticketmaster, apparently they are usually taken by visiting fans.
Huh, surprised but of course there are ######s in every crowd, can't avoid that. By and large we pride ourselves on being cool and welcoming to other fans. Maybe it was the years of losing that taught us to be humble, or maybe it's just because we know we're a tourist town and want people down here and are used to showing them hospitality, don't know, but I'd like to think we have a good rep.
We used to go to the Colts road game to Jacksonville every year until some doosh tried to talk trash the whole game to my 16 yo son. If it weren't for the other fans speaking up first, it would have ended ugly for 1 or both of us.

Same is true in Nashville. We've always had a warm reception there until a few years ago. Some ##### decided she wanted to stand the entire game to block my view. She was the only person standing in the section except during big moments.

 

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