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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
WHY? I mean, lets be real, we can be hopeful and he's got the same 6 games left that all wides do to blow up, and I own him in all my leagues, and I hope you are right. But what makes you "expect" him to blow up when he's been unable to do so all year? Great recievers are great, regardless of QB. There's no reason to believe the 2nd half will be any different, and there certainly isn't enough to expect him to supplant Bruce in your lineup, unless you're tanking your season for draft picks.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
The guy blows. I have him. Hate him. This post is win-win, BTW. The guy continues to suck, and I've come to the right side. He improves and I'm wrong but he blows up. 
RKade
Footballguy
One week, I have NOTHING at the WR spot with Horn out, now I have the following who I think will produce:CJohnson <<auto startHorn << back and rested, auto startCalico <<< looked GREAT last gamePorter << only WR to score last game and was targeted but pass was terrible once in the endzone each of the previous two games (should have three td's in last three games)Lelie <<< expect to start up where he left off now that they have a QB who can actually throw him the ballWalters <<< IF Harrison is out, this guy will get looks and thrown to..decisions, decisions cause I hate starting a 4th WR at the Flex spot over a RBThe guy blows. I have him. Hate him. This post is win-win, BTW. The guy continues to suck, and I've come to the right side. He improves and I'm wrong but he blows up.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Please to explain Hines Ward's season?That's just one example that came to mind quickly, there are lots of others. Great receivers often maintain really solid numbers even with average QB's throwing to them.As for Lelie, he's young yet, hasn't been a full time starter for a season and has had to deal with 3 qb's so far this year along with some difficulty due to Portis being hurt earlier. Maybe he won't be the next Marvin Harrison, but I don't think you can write him off as a productive guy for his career at this point, and you seriously have to consider starting him this weekend.God, that is soooo untrue! Funny though.Why not just stick a nobody at QB but draft stud WRs? You think you can convince Minn that I could play QB?
RKade
Footballguy
What's to explain about his season? The balls he has caught this season were on the money.Why not just pay people from the stands to be their QB then draft the likes of Ward or Moss or TO? Since you think QBs have no bearing on how great a WR is then why spend wasted money?How's Rice doing without a good QB, that's one example that came to mind.TO without a healthy QB is anotherHow is LColes? Better with ChadPennington, no?How is Harrison? Nothing to do with Peyton, right?How is Santana Moss? Nothing to do with Pennington right?Why isn't Coles producing like last year if QBs really have no bearing on great WR?Please to explain Hines Ward's season?That's just one example that came to mind quickly, there are lots of others. Great receivers often maintain really solid numbers even with average QB's throwing to them.As for Lelie, he's young yet, hasn't been a full time starter for a season and has had to deal with 3 qb's so far this year along with some difficulty due to Portis being hurt earlier. Maybe he won't be the next Marvin Harrison, but I don't think you can write him off as a productive guy for his career at this point, and you seriously have to consider starting him this weekend.God, that is soooo untrue! Funny though.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, and Maddox is an average QB at best, yet Ward shines.Coles is an easy one. First off, he's not that far off where he was last year, he's #5 in yards this season in the NFL. Secondly, have you noticed how bad their pass protection has been? That tends to put a damper on the passing game. Even with all that he's having a really good year.Jerry Rice - really? I don't recall people being real happy with Rice's production while Gannon was working with him for half the year - I'd say this one more proves my point than disproves it, I don't think Rice is a great receiver anymore anyway.The Harrison topic is not relavent - he's always had a good qb throwing to him, so we don't know what he'd do with an average qb. Or, maybe it's Harrison who's made Manning? Nah....How about everybody's darling Chad Johnson? I don't recall Kitna challenging for the pro bowl any time recently.How about Anquon Boldin? I doubt we'll be seeing a Jeff Blake bust in Canton.How about Randy Moss with Gus friggin Ferrotte? Is Gus a better than average QB? Randy seemed to do just fine with Gus in there.So that's just the top 5 receivers in yardage, I could go on, but I think my point is made.Just for fun though, name me one QB who played for Atlanta other than Jeff George while Andre Rison was tearing up the NFL........What's to explain about his season? The balls he has caught this season were on the money.Why not just pay people from the stands to be their QB then draft the likes of Ward or Moss or TO? Since you think QBs have no bearing on how great a WR is then why spend wasted money?How's Rice doing without a good QB, that's one example that came to mind.TO without a healthy QB is anotherHow is LColes? Better with ChadPennington, no?How is Harrison? Nothing to do with Peyton, right?How is Santana Moss? Nothing to do with Pennington right?Why isn't Coles producing like last year if QBs really have no bearing on great WR?Please to explain Hines Ward's season?That's just one example that came to mind quickly, there are lots of others. Great receivers often maintain really solid numbers even with average QB's throwing to them.As for Lelie, he's young yet, hasn't been a full time starter for a season and has had to deal with 3 qb's so far this year along with some difficulty due to Portis being hurt earlier. Maybe he won't be the next Marvin Harrison, but I don't think you can write him off as a productive guy for his career at this point, and you seriously have to consider starting him this weekend.God, that is soooo untrue! Funny though.
Al Davis
Footballguy
I can always count on you Bristol and your infinite negativity. Lelie is not a stud yet but even you would be hard pressed to say he is not one in the making. I never claimed to be a genius and we have all been flawed in our predictions and projections, right Bristol. So admittedly I got pre amped on Lelie but I will stand by the flag I posted next to him and say he will be a player you will want on your roster in the upcoming weeks. Genius or fraud, at least I made a choice.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Not near as funny as D. Foster's game on Sunday but I'll leave that for another post. First off, we are talking fantasy stats and not NFL wins. Players can be very valuable in the NFL and not have phenonmenal fantasy stats and vice versa. Fantasy wise, what is the real dropoff this year between a guy who got cut in the off season(Plummer) and the next group in Denver? It's not like anyone was really lighting it up this year, as there was never a bridge between the rising(Lelie) and declining(Smith, Sharpe and McCaffery). We are talking about STUDS here, and the shortsightedness of those who pimp Ashley in this thread is that they pimp him as a stud, instead of a potentially reliable, reliable, upside laiden, late rounder. In reality he's turned out to be neither, despite the occasional flash. If you watched the New England game, you had to see nothing more than his pathetic ability to separate. It's plain to see if he's going to put it together, it won't be in 2003, and the reason why is not Jake the Snake's injury, the most convient out by Lelie pimps.As for some of the guys you mentioned later in the thread: How did Randy Moss do with perenial benchwarmer Freotte going for him this year? Not one little dip at all. How about Holt between Bulger and Warner? Rice is an 40 year old system reciever who's decline was inevitable, no reciever had approached what he did at his age, but as Tim Brown and Cris Carter showed, when they go at that age, they go quick. Coles last year, through 10 games, had 89 standard scoring points, this year he has 133 through 9 games, so I wouldn't say his production has dipped. And did I miss a meeting or something, or when did Santana Moss become a "stud"? He's put up 4 great games this year, 2 with Vinnie, 2 with Pennington. I'd say the jury is still out on this guy, to be kind. He seems to have more chemistry with Pennington, but he wasn't exactly lost with Vinnie, because he had those two strong games with him and all his production vs. Philly was with Vinnie behind center.Owens decline has nothing to do with Garcia, it started at the tail end of last year, and we are coming up on a year since he's had a monster game. I think Streets emergence and the decline of their defense has played a big factor in his dip. Garcia's gone over 190 yards in 5 of his 8 starts and is on a pace to throw for 3000 yards and 16 TDs, not exactly a tank job, and not too far removed from 3300 and 21 TD's last year. More to the point, Rattay hasn't been chopped liver at QB, so I think that slid is owed more to T.O. then the QB situation.Marvin Harrison was a two-time pro bowler when Peyton was fondling trainers at Tennessee. Look, we are talking the ELITE here, and I'm not saying that Lelie is a flop for life because he's not peaked in year 2. But recognize that good fantasy recievers get their numbers regardless of who's under center. Maybe not at the clip they'd do if they have a HOF QB under center, but studs dont vanish as Lelie has either.God, that is soooo untrue! Funny though.
Bristol
Footballguy
My problem is that people HYPED this guy up like crazy predraft and at the beginning of the season. Sure the guy has potential, but I knew it was unrealistic for him to realize it THIS YEAR. I have said it over and over again that he would NEVER live up to the HYPE that you people put on him.So far, I am right. It remains to be seen if he will actually put up useable numbers going forward. My guess is NO and when all is siad and done, you will finally have to admit that I was right from day one. I took my lumps when I made the statements, and when he turns out to be the big bust this year, you willeat crow in front of everyone. Trust me!!
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Oh damn, not made up, but I did misread my data, I apologize for any confusion, I honestly didn't mean to obscure the truth.
DoubleDCup
Footballguy
This week against Indy, Al and Lelie finally got it together. You were premature in proclaiming him a stud Al Davis but you have always has an eye for talent and I will admit he is stud in learning. He has made some costly drops this year but they were just growing pains and his work ethic is unquestioned on the Broncos team. Overpaid for Lelie this year but if he is at the same 8th round next year he will be a steal.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
He might fall lower next year, people will be scared of the mostly off season. Hopefully he doesn't blow up against Green Bay and he stays under the radar. I've been very critical of Ash in this thread, but I do think he's got the tools to be worth another look next year, especially in the 10th round on.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Good grief - this is from 2003. What is this, the first time you've ever been right about something? Let it go.
biggamer3
Footballguy
wow, 2003, when gas was like a nickel
