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No, it wouldn't. Not if they could, in the future, request extradition. And agree not to extradite him then or in the future in exchange for testimony by videolink in his own trial? That's ridiculous.
No, it wouldn't. Not if they could, in the future, request extradition. And agree not to extradite him then or in the future in exchange for testimony by videolink in his own trial? That's ridiculous.
About as well as this act of solidarity went:Hey, ren - remember when Assange offered to turn himself in to the U.S. in exchange for Manning's clemency?
How'd that go?
The overwhelming brunt of the charges, around 170+ years of them, are squared directly on the act of publishing. It was about publishing. We know that now. Tons of free press orgs, civil liberty outfits, anyone with a sense of basic human decency have expressed outrage at these unprecedented charges.Look, I don’t think pure publication is a good enough reason to arrest someone and have him extradited and if that’s what the charges are I’ll be in the streets and courtrooms right along with you. But that’s not likely to be what the charges are. It’s likely to be conspiracy to actually obtain classified material from illegal sources and illegal methods.
It would be cool if we could discuss the charges realistically. I think I’ve explained them.About as well as this act of solidarity went:
The overwhelming brunt of the charges, around 170+ years of them, are squared directly on the act of publishing. It was about publishing. We know that now. Tons of free press orgs, civil liberty outfits, anyone with a sense of basic human decency have expressed outrage at these unprecedented charges.
Anyway, Manning was granted clemency without anyone taking up the offer as a condition for release. I don't blame Assange for not voluntarily waltzing into a CIA blacksite when she was already freed.
Yup.I may be looking at things incredibly simplistic.
If Peter Jennings published information showing that the US violated international law, he shouldn't be indicted.
If Peter Jennings broke into the White House, stole a flash drive with key information on it, and then published the contents, then maybe he should be indicted.
If Peter Jennings paid a bunch of guys to break into the White House, or the Pentagon, or where ever, so that they could hand over a flash drive that he publishes, then again maybe he should be indicted.
This simple guy's brain thinks of Assange just that simply: We all know he published information. Did he steal that info that he published? Because in my mind, there is no difference between breaking into my house to steal my flash drive and hacking my email.
I'm guessing this really means they were hacked.Confidential emails obtained from the US private intelligence firm Stratfor
Really have to tip the hat to his and Manning's principled stand against the archaic grand jury system. The stuff of kangaroo courts.I'm guessing this really means they were hacked.
Jeremy Hammond, who was convicted of computer fraud in 2013 for hacking the private intel firm Stratfor and releasing data to WikiLeaks, has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia.
Who could have seen that coming?District judge Vanessa Baraitser on Friday told Assange, who appeared by video-link: "You have been produced today because your sentence of imprisonment is about to come to an end.
"When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition."
She said that his lawyer had declined to make an application for bail on his behalf, adding "perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings".
"In my view I have substantial ground for believing if I release you, you will abscond again."
Even Assange fell at the mercy of the bar on this one, go back and read his comments in court.Assange didn't abscond from anything. He was granted asylum from political persecution for exposing US war crimes. The UN ruled that he'd been arbitrarily detained and should be compensated for the time he's been held up in the embassy.
I know this is a joke court system and they have every intention of torturing him forever, but it is disingenuous for the judge to frame it that way.
He absconded while on bail. That is why he is in jail. Over this you may rail. But it is nothing but truthAssange didn't abscond from anything. He was granted asylum from political persecution for exposing US war crimes. The UN ruled that he'd been arbitrarily detained and should be compensated for the time he's been held up in the embassy.
I know this is a joke court system and they have every intention of torturing him forever, but it is disingenuous for the judge to frame it that way.
That article didn't say. What were his comments?Even Assange fell at the mercy of the bar on this one, go back and read his comments in court.
Well they just said he's staying in jail beyond his sentencing for the extradition trial. So the British legal system's reason for holding him will be over soon, and he will be kept in solitary indefinitely for that. If he was just some guy on the street and not a publisher who exposed war crimes, he would have walked away a long time ago.He absconded while on bail. That is why he is in jail. Over this you may rail. But it is nothing but truth
Well they just said he's staying in jail beyond his sentencing for the extradition trial. So the British legal system's reason for holding him will be over soon, and he will be kept in solitary indefinitely for that. If he was just some guy on the street and not a publisher who exposed war crimes, he would have walked away a long time ago.
Any reasonable court would agree he was operating under extraordinary circumstances way beyond a trivial bail violation.
Not for publishing.
Any reasonable court will say (and is saying) "Fool me once, shame on me. Not happening again"
People are held for extradiction all the time, there is nothing strange in that.
Espionage and hacking is a different matter howeverNot for publishing.
To our knowledge he didn't hack anything either. If 'espionage' applies to publishing to the entire world, then a whole lot of news organizations are in trouble in the US.Espionage and hacking is a different matter however
We will gain knowledge during the legal proceedings under which Assange is being extradited so please stand by while the case is in progress.To our knowledge he didn't hack anything either. If 'espionage' applies to publishing to the entire world, then a whole lot of news organizations are in trouble in the US.
Never thought I would see the day where communist ideals are favored by a large percentage of Americans. Sanctuary cities, Limiting free speech, invading privacy and infringement of second amendment rights the left has gone all the way left.To our knowledge he didn't hack anything either. If 'espionage' applies to publishing to the entire world, then a whole lot of news organizations are in trouble in the US.
Espionage against the US of A used to arise vitriol from those on the right, but party(personality) over country appears to be their order of the day.Never thought I would see the day where communist ideals are favored by a large percentage of Americans. Sanctuary cities, Limiting free speech, invading privacy and infringement of second amendment rights the left has gone all the way left.
Nope. Everything Assange published wrt the US was about exposing war crimes that were happening in our name. The attempt to crack the hash, which didn't even work, was about protecting a source who was exposing war crimes. A free society stands up for whistleblowers. This needs to be rejected outright.We will gain knowledge during the legal proceedings under which Assange is being extradited so please stand by while the case is in progress.
Eh, it's in here, I'll see if I can find it...That article didn't say. What were his comments?
Fwiw Msommer originally posted it.That article didn't say. What were his comments?
Assange's letter of apology in full
I apologise unreservedly to those who consider that I have disrespected them by the way I have pursued my case.
This is not what I wanted or intended.
I found myself struggling with terrifying circumstances for which neither I nor those from whom I sought advice could work out any remedy.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
I regret the course that this took; the difficulties were instead compounded and impacted upon very many others.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
Not sure why it’s surprising to you that people play nice with the court. It’s not a vindication of the proceedings themselves. The UN ruled he was arbitrarily detained, and they were right. What he is being persecuted for, is disclosures that were in the public interest.
i know, crazy, right?Never thought I would see the day where communist ideals are favored by a large percentage of Americans. Sanctuary cities, Limiting free speech, invading privacy and infringement of second amendment rights the left has gone all the way left.
I like El Pais and frankly given the WL involvement in Spanish affairs it makes sense.Mark Curtis
Remember the preposterous bull#### reported by corporate media, including Guardian and BBC, on Assange using embassy to spy on Ecuador? Well, here’s the reality, as any journalist should have known, and probably did - the opposite.
Spanish security company spied on Julian Assange in London for the United States
Assange was surveilled 24/7, audio/video footage was fed back to the CIA.
How were they involved in Spanish affairs?I like El Pais and frankly given the WL involvement in Spanish affairs it makes sense.
I thought you had made this point actually. WL was propagating pro-separatist tweets and leaks in advance of the Catalonia vote/separation. I know this seems odd, but Ecuador even after all these years still has a close relationship with Spain, regardless of government and it was a sore point domestically as well as Vs Spain. Supposedly it’s one of the motivators for kicking JA out.How were they involved in Spanish affairs?
I think you kinda missed a beat here.“The Case should be thrown out immediately. Not only is it illegal on the face of the treaty, the U.S. has conducted illegal operations against Assange and his lawyers which are the subject of a major investigation in Spain,” WikiLeaks Editor-In-Chief Kristinn Hrafnsson said on Monday as the imprisoned Assange appeared before a judge in magistrate’s court in London.
How weird that ren would leave that part outI think you kinda missed a beat here.
Assange appeared in court in London requesting an extension of his extradition, and... what happened was he lost his request.
I think you missed the beat. It’s been proven that the CIA was spying on Assange, spying on his communications with psychiatrists, spying on his privileged communications with lawyers. In a real justice system, a case where the government seeking to extradite an individual it illegally spied on out of political animus would be thrown out immediately.I think you kinda missed a beat here.
Assange appeared in court in London requesting an extension of his extradition, and... what happened was he lost his request.
Thing is they had a prior claim on him over the US. I’m guessing he’d rather have gotten tried in Sweden.https://twitter.com/horvatsrecko/status/1196781568624332802
Sweden finally drops its bogus rape investigation.
What would he have gotten tried for? They never charged him with anything.Thing is they had a prior claim on him over the US. I’m guessing he’d rather have gotten tried in Sweden.