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Assani's Poker Thread (2 Viewers)

Nice score and sick call. The single worst card in the deck peels off and hmmmmm...

I'mma sit on this one and get back to you on my thoughts. I will say though, that you said you wanted to play pot-control and did the exact opposite thing... :confused:

 
Assani Fisher said:
Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.

As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.

Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.

Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.

At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.

Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.

Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.

River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.

What I did

I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.

Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."

What I think I should've done

I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.

I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.

I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.

I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
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ballsy call, i would have put him on spades. probably would have thought about it for a long time and folded.Nice job Mr. Fisher.

 
fasteddie_21 said:
Nice score and sick call. The single worst card in the deck peels off and hmmmmm...

I'mma sit on this one and get back to you on my thoughts. I will say though, that you said you wanted to play pot-control and did the exact opposite thing... :confused:
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haha, true, but I mean there was $202 in the pot going to the flop(minus rake) and I bet $100. Then there was $402 on the turn and I bet $200.....don't really know how I could keep it any lower than that.I'm actually really upset with myself for having missed something....after he left and we were all discussing the hand, quite a few people at the table told me that they saw him reach to muck his cards on the river(figuring I was going to bet) and that it wasn't until he saw me check that he went all in. Now one guy did mention that it could've just been a ploy anyway though....but I didn't even see it at all. Kinda frustrating to miss something so "obvious", but its really tough to constantly observe every single action of your opponent when you're still trying to think about the hand at the same time.

That coupled with a horrible read I made later on when I was certain a guy was bluffing and I called down with bottom pair have me questioning my skills in this regard a bit.

 
Ok, rested and outta the shower now...

Had time to think about this and I think you have to call. Here's why:

The guy is a maniac. He's not just going to call down w/ a draw, imo. He's going to raise you at some point, I think. Even barring that, it's the single worst card in the deck that rolls off. That makes it more likely that if he has a weak hand (mid PP, or a pair & draw), he's going to bet at it and turn his hand into a bluff.

The fact is he is either turning a hand w/ showdown value into a bluff (say 77 and hoping you whiffed w/ AK or AQ etc), on a pure bluff, or played a draw super passively and is hoping to get paid off (least likely imo), the fact that he is going to be bluffing over 33% of the time, makes this a call. Granted you end up w/ egg on your face a good amount of the time, but the fact that there's so much in the pot ($1460) and only $660 to call, you have to, getting the odds you are. If we can agree that he is bluffing over 1/3 of the time, you make money on the call every time.

Now, I'm not saying it's easy, in the moment, but if you take a second and think it thru, it's definitely a call.

And you have to make a decision on the flop as to how to play the hand, Assani. You say that you don't know any other way to play the hand to play pot-control... bet the flop, c/c turn, and c/c, b/f, or c/f the river. There's a chance that it checks thru on the turn which then makes it really easy on the river ( to c/c), but you had options. The thing I don't like here is you didn't really have a plan w/ the hand, being OOP vs a maniac. Something to chew on.

Another way you could have played it was bet the flop a little stronger, then crai on a brick turn. There are a few options here, but as long as you have/had a plan, along w/ modifying it as the hand goes along and you get more info, then you can't complain.

But as played, I think you have to call the river.

And lastly, I live to read these bro. I'm beyond chomping at the bit to be out there and playing live again *sigh*. Keep'em coming and continued good luck and play well, bro!

(edited for clarification)

 
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Thanks for the thoughts Eddie...will think over what you said about having more of a plan, although I will say that I probably did have a plan but just didn't consciously think it over as I was going through the hand...a lot of our plays at poker are just what we've conditioned ourselves to do, and while I'm not arguing thats a good thing, its certainly a better thing(and sounds a whole lot better) than "I had no plan."

Gonna go play again now...think the Wynn is my permanent place now, as I enjoy it the most for sure.

 
Won $170 tonight....funny how when I was playing $1/2 I'd be fairly happy about a $170 win, but now its pretty much no big deal at all. Having a good time though, really enjoying myself lately. Gonna keep playing at the Wynn for the near future.

 
That's a fairly nice flop for your big pair, a good sized pot compared to your stack, and an opponent who we think will give you action with a really wide range. Thus, I'd bet more on the flop to maximize my EV. If you pot it and he comes over the top, you're getting 2:1 with many draws, bluffs, and dominated pairs in his range.

 
Assani Fisher said:
Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.

As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.

Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.

Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.

At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.

Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.

Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.

River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.

What I did

I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.

Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."

What I think I should've done

I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.

I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.

I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.

I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
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No comments on this part? Does this happen often? Because I think that is one of the lowest things for a person to try and do. Good job waiting with your cards until he showed.
 
JMon348 said:
Assani Fisher said:
Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.

As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.

Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.

Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.

At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.

Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.

Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.

River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.

What I did

I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.

Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."

What I think I should've done

I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.

I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.

I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.

I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
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ballsy call, i would have put him on spades. probably would have thought about it for a long time and folded.Nice job Mr. Fisher.
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I don't think he would go all in if he caught his flush. Assani checked to him, if he's got spades he's value betting and hoping for a call.
 
When he told you that you made a terrible call you should have said, it's not as terrible as your tell.

 
bryhamm said:
Assani Fisher said:
Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.

As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.

Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.

Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.

At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.

Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.

Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.

River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.

What I did

I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.

Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."

What I think I should've done

I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.

I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.

I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.

I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
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No comments on this part? Does this happen often? Because I think that is one of the lowest things for a person to try and do. Good job waiting with your cards until he showed.
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Definitely bush league, but if he can find a sucker to fall for it at a 2/5 1k table then all of the power to him.
 
Hey AF -

Do you normally go to casino's with only 1 buy-in? Not busting on you, just curious. I guess it is a good stop limit if you have good discipline of not hitting the ATM.

 
I think the problem is that you underbet the flop and turn against a maniac. The pot was about $200 preflop, and you bet $100 into it out of position. Your stack to pot ratio was a little over 5, which is ideal against this kid. On the turn, you again bet just half the pot. You need to get that money in quicker on such a heavily coordinated board.

I don't have a problem with the call, because his hand range included any medium pair and any paired small cards, but there really aren't many hands he can turn over short of a pure bluff that are good news. It would be more profitable long term if you had gotten more of the chips in as soon as you knew you were committed, because the times he does have a five, or spades, or a deuce, you freerolled him the rest of your stack as implied odds because you intended to call no matter what.

Edit to add: I think the better play would have been to bet somewhere between $150 and $200 on the flop, then bet at least $300 on the turn. You risk letting the maniac off the hook, sure, but you keep him from outdrawing you. I don't think pot control was the right answer at all. You were dead on your target SPR for him with your hand, so you were correct to be willing to commit.

 
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Alias said:
Hey AF -Do you normally go to casino's with only 1 buy-in? Not busting on you, just curious. I guess it is a good stop limit if you have good discipline of not hitting the ATM.
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If I lived in Vegas, I would probably do the same. If you get busted, take a walk. You can always play later. If you are in an especially juicy game, but just got bad beated, hit the ATM.Edit to add - Phil Gordon said that he kept some in a safety deposit box with the hotels where he played. I wonder if that would be a good idea?
 
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bostonfred said:
I think the problem is that you underbet the flop and turn against a maniac. The pot was about $200 preflop, and you bet $100 into it out of position. Your stack to pot ratio was a little over 5, which is ideal against this kid. On the turn, you again bet just half the pot. You need to get that money in quicker on such a heavily coordinated board. I don't have a problem with the call, because his hand range included any medium pair and any paired small cards, but there really aren't many hands he can turn over short of a pure bluff that are good news. It would be more profitable long term if you had gotten more of the chips in as soon as you knew you were committed, because the times he does have a five, or spades, or a deuce, you freerolled him the rest of your stack as implied odds because you intended to call no matter what.Edit to add: I think the better play would have been to bet somewhere between $150 and $200 on the flop, then bet at least $300 on the turn. You risk letting the maniac off the hook, sure, but you keep him from outdrawing you. I don't think pot control was the right answer at all. You were dead on your target SPR for him with your hand, so you were correct to be willing to commit.
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I agree here, but he did say he was thinking 'pot control'.That said, I think betting the flop strong and either doing so on the turn as well or crai on the turn...either works tbh. Granted we're giving a free card possibly, but tbh, I don't think this guy is one to take it, given read, so you let him hang himself.
 
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Hey AF -Do you normally go to casino's with only 1 buy-in? Not busting on you, just curious. I guess it is a good stop limit if you have good discipline of not hitting the ATM.
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Nah it depends on what I have on me. Plus many people only buy in for $500 or even less. Losing 200 BBs is like losing 2 buy ins really. Tonight I think I'll buy in for $1500 simply because I have it on me. So really I have no system or reasoning behind any of it.
 
bostonfred said:
I think the problem is that you underbet the flop and turn against a maniac. The pot was about $200 preflop, and you bet $100 into it out of position. Your stack to pot ratio was a little over 5, which is ideal against this kid. On the turn, you again bet just half the pot. You need to get that money in quicker on such a heavily coordinated board. I don't have a problem with the call, because his hand range included any medium pair and any paired small cards, but there really aren't many hands he can turn over short of a pure bluff that are good news. It would be more profitable long term if you had gotten more of the chips in as soon as you knew you were committed, because the times he does have a five, or spades, or a deuce, you freerolled him the rest of your stack as implied odds because you intended to call no matter what.Edit to add: I think the better play would have been to bet somewhere between $150 and $200 on the flop, then bet at least $300 on the turn. You risk letting the maniac off the hook, sure, but you keep him from outdrawing you. I don't think pot control was the right answer at all. You were dead on your target SPR for him with your hand, so you were correct to be willing to commit.
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agree with you(and others who have said the same thing)
 
bostonfred said:
Alias said:
Hey AF -

Do you normally go to casino's with only 1 buy-in? Not busting on you, just curious. I guess it is a good stop limit if you have good discipline of not hitting the ATM.
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If I lived in Vegas, I would probably do the same. If you get busted, take a walk. You can always play later. If you are in an especially juicy game, but just got bad beated, hit the ATM.Edit to add - Phil Gordon said that he kept some in a safety deposit box with the hotels where he played. I wonder if that would be a good idea?
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I'm actually planning on looking into this now that I've made the Wynn my primary place. I'm gonna see how much it is and if they might comp it for me. I don't like putting money in the bank because then I have to pay taxes on it. If it never touches a bank I can take a few liberties just like a waiter/bartender would do with reporting his tips.
 
Assani Fisher said:
bostonfred said:
Alias said:
Hey AF -

Do you normally go to casino's with only 1 buy-in? Not busting on you, just curious. I guess it is a good stop limit if you have good discipline of not hitting the ATM.
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If I lived in Vegas, I would probably do the same. If you get busted, take a walk. You can always play later. If you are in an especially juicy game, but just got bad beated, hit the ATM.Edit to add - Phil Gordon said that he kept some in a safety deposit box with the hotels where he played. I wonder if that would be a good idea?
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I'm actually planning on looking into this now that I've made the Wynn my primary place. I'm gonna see how much it is and if they might comp it for me. I don't like putting money in the bank because then I have to pay taxes on it. If it never touches a bank I can take a few liberties just like a waiter/bartender would do with reporting his tips.
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Report back on this is you can/will. Or AIM me....
 
will do, Eddie. Leaving now.

edited: I'm almost positive that they do have them. I'm just unsure of the pricing.

 
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Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins.

Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already.

Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.

I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.

 
Assani Fisher said:
Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins. Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already. Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.
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Good stuff. And I knew the boxes were free, but fully expected them to be all spoken for. Wow, congrats.
 
Assani Fisher said:
Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins. Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already. Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.
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I think a huge leak in my game is that I don't play well with a big stack. This sounds like exactly the kind of problem I get into when I flop the third nuts against another big stack. I don't know how to deal with it, so I think my new plan is just to leave when I'm up big. I guess I could choose not to play anything but pocket pairs and suited aces where I have a chance to hit the absolute nuts, but I don't like that so much, either.
 
Won another $500+ tonight....feel like I can't lose right now. Won $300+ on a flopped bottom set on a pretty dry board(25J rainbow). I bet out $40, shortstack raised all in for around $100 and then only guy at the table who had me covered(I started with $2000) flat called on button, which scared the hell out of me. I checked turn, he checked. I bet $125 on river he called. They both mucked.

And then won $400 with AA. Flop came Q high...shortstack had QQ and won the main pot, but other guy had AQ and I won money on the pot due to him getting it all in on the flop drawing absolutely dead(runner runner straight to split pot only chance).

Lost a decent pot when my AK ran into TJ on a KQ9 flop....he bet small enough to entice me the entire way, but I really should've known better by river when he bet again(board was 399QK by then)...I called because "the pot was so big" but I really wasn't beating anything but a bluff and it seemed really unlikely. Should've saved myself another $100 there.

So no real interesting hands to write up an actual discussion on. Still running really well. Will probably play again tomorrow night.

 
playing in the following tourneys today:

Stars Sunday Million(16:30)

FT $14,500 guaranteed(16:01)

Stars $55(17:00)

FT $216(18:00)

Stars 2nd chance(18:30)

 
Assani Fisher said:
playing in the following tourneys today:

Stars Sunday Million(16:30)

FT $14,500 guaranteed(16:01)

Stars $55(17:00)

FT $216(18:00)

Stars 2nd chance(18:30)
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I have 77, he has Q9 of clubs. Flop is 279 with 1 club. Get 1/2 my stack in on flop, the rest on turn....runner runner clubs knocks me out. Don't have hand history because table closed. Ugh....
 
Nice run you're having lately. Hope it keeps up. If not, I hope your bankroll management is sound. You've got a good head on your shoulders it seems, don't #### it up somehow.

 
Sunday Million...

PokerStars Game #13757620754: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (400/800) - 2007/12/09 - 18:20:33 (ET)

Table '68769454 380' 9-max Seat #7 is the button

Seat 1: r@ise me! (16250 in chips)

Seat 2: WhatArunAA (29925 in chips)

Seat 3: sherlock73 (30904 in chips)

Seat 4: wgbj (25490 in chips)

Seat 5: ryanj9352 (25575 in chips)

Seat 6: vis alea rex (33500 in chips)

Seat 7: Crispy86 (5800 in chips)

Seat 8: jwvdcw (15150 in chips)

Seat 9: Jannik007111 (30770 in chips)

jwvdcw: posts small blind 400

Jannik007111: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Ad Kh]

r@ise me!: folds

WhatArunAA: folds

sherlock73: folds

wgbj: folds

ryanj9352: folds

vis alea rex: folds

Crispy86: folds

jwvdcw: calls 400

Jannik007111: raises 2400 to 3200

jwvdcw: raises 5600 to 8800

Jannik007111: raises 5600 to 14400

jwvdcw: raises 750 to 15150 and is all-in

Jannik007111: calls 750

*** FLOP *** [6h Th As]

*** TURN *** [6h Th As] [Td]

*** RIVER *** [6h Th As Td] [5c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [Ad Kh] (two pair, Aces and Tens)

Jannik007111: shows [Ah Jh] (two pair, Aces and Tens - lower kicker)

jwvdcw collected 30300 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 30300 | Rake 0

Board [6h Th As Td 5c]

Seat 1: r@ise me! folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: WhatArunAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: sherlock73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: wgbj folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: ryanj9352 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: vis alea rex folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: Crispy86 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: jwvdcw (small blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won (30300) with two pair, Aces and Tens

Seat 9: Jannik007111 (big blind) showed [Ah Jh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens

 
PokerStars Game #13757834144: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2007/12/09 - 18:30:45 (ET)

Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: Verito (14275 in chips)

Seat 2: the roch 666 (52825 in chips)

Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (60249 in chips)

Seat 4: PetePeter273 (10400 in chips)

Seat 5: Guldgraveren (10646 in chips)

Seat 6: thebomberq (14250 in chips)

Seat 7: dorschcharli (23960 in chips)

Seat 8: jwvdcw (25900 in chips)

Seat 9: 24forsure (25926 in chips)

Verito: posts the ante 50

the roch 666: posts the ante 50

EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 50

PetePeter273: posts the ante 50

Guldgraveren: posts the ante 50

thebomberq: posts the ante 50

dorschcharli: posts the ante 50

jwvdcw: posts the ante 50

24forsure: posts the ante 50

Guldgraveren: posts small blind 400

thebomberq: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Kh Kd]

dorschcharli: folds

jwvdcw: raises 1600 to 2400

24forsure: folds

Verito: folds

the roch 666: calls 2400

EgyptPharaoh: folds

PetePeter273: calls 2400

Guldgraveren: folds

thebomberq: folds

*** FLOP *** [Jc 3c Td]

jwvdcw: bets 4800

the roch 666: calls 4800

PetePeter273: folds

*** TURN *** [Jc 3c Td] [6s]

jwvdcw: bets 18650 and is all-in

the roch 666: calls 18650

*** RIVER *** [Jc 3c Td 6s] [Ad]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)

the roch 666: shows [Qs Qd] (a pair of Queens)

jwvdcw collected 55750 from pot

jwvdcw said, "icy pots"

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 55750 | Rake 0

Board [Jc 3c Td 6s Ad]

Seat 1: Verito folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: the roch 666 showed [Qs Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens

Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: PetePeter273 (button) folded on the Flop

Seat 5: Guldgraveren (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 6: thebomberq (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 7: dorschcharli folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: jwvdcw showed [Kh Kd] and won (55750) with a pair of Kings

Seat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 
2nd chance....

PokerStars Game #13758406361: Tournament #68990358, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/12/09 - 18:59:16 (ET)

Table '68990358 91' 9-max Seat #9 is the button

Seat 1: FatalError (2600 in chips)

Seat 2: dogsballs (4185 in chips)

Seat 3: jwvdcw (3245 in chips)

Seat 4: reload07 (2910 in chips)

Seat 5: THE__D__RY (2690 in chips)

Seat 6: D.J.777 (2800 in chips)

Seat 7: noble_work (2595 in chips)

Seat 8: JBDenaro157 (5120 in chips)

Seat 9: meez (4740 in chips)

FatalError: posts small blind 15

dogsballs: posts big blind 30

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [5s 5c]

jwvdcw: calls 30

reload07: folds

THE__D__RY: folds

D.J.777: folds

noble_work: folds

JBDenaro157: raises 90 to 120

meez: folds

FatalError: folds

dogsballs: calls 90

jwvdcw: calls 90

*** FLOP *** [9d 5h Ks]

dogsballs: checks

jwvdcw: checks

JBDenaro157: bets 210

dogsballs: folds

jwvdcw: raises 300 to 510

JBDenaro157: calls 300

*** TURN *** [9d 5h Ks] [8h]

jwvdcw: bets 660

JBDenaro157: raises 1290 to 1950

jwvdcw: raises 665 to 2615 and is all-in

JBDenaro157: calls 665

*** RIVER *** [9d 5h Ks 8h] [Ts]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [5s 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)

JBDenaro157: shows [Kh Qc] (a pair of Kings)

jwvdcw collected 6625 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 6625 | Rake 0

Board [9d 5h Ks 8h Ts]

Seat 1: FatalError (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 2: dogsballs (big blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 3: jwvdcw showed [5s 5c] and won (6625) with three of a kind, Fives

Seat 4: reload07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: D.J.777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: noble_work folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: JBDenaro157 showed [Kh Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings

Seat 9: meez (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 
should've bet a bit more on river maybe, but otherwise think I played it well...

PokerStars Game #13758674421: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (600/1200) - 2007/12/09 - 19:12:37 (ET)

Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #5 is the button

Seat 1: FolditsFree (11430 in chips)

Seat 2: the roch 666 (80350 in chips)

Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (43044 in chips)

Seat 5: Guldgraveren (13165 in chips)

Seat 6: Kilroyx (20050 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)

Seat 7: dorschcharli (38490 in chips)

Seat 8: jwvdcw (51850 in chips)

Seat 9: 24forsure (23252 in chips)

FolditsFree: posts the ante 100

the roch 666: posts the ante 100

EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 100

Guldgraveren: posts the ante 100

dorschcharli: posts the ante 100

jwvdcw: posts the ante 100

24forsure: posts the ante 100

dorschcharli: posts small blind 600

jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [8d 8h]

GoTribeGrady is connected

24forsure: folds

FolditsFree: folds

the roch 666: folds

EgyptPharaoh: raises 2400 to 3600

Guldgraveren: folds

dorschcharli: folds

jwvdcw: calls 2400

*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 3s]

jwvdcw: checks

EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600

jwvdcw: calls 3600

*** TURN *** [8s 2d 3s] [As]

jwvdcw: checks

EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600

jwvdcw: calls 3600

*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 3s As] [Qc]

jwvdcw: bets 3600

EgyptPharaoh: calls 3600

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)

EgyptPharaoh: mucks hand

jwvdcw collected 30100 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 30100 | Rake 0

Board [8s 2d 3s As Qc]

Seat 1: FolditsFree folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: the roch 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh mucked [Ad 7d]

Seat 5: Guldgraveren (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: dorschcharli (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 8: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (30100) with three of a kind, Eights

Seat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 
Assani Fisher said:
should've bet a bit more on river maybe, but otherwise think I played it well...PokerStars Game #13758674421: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (600/1200) - 2007/12/09 - 19:12:37 (ET)Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: FolditsFree (11430 in chips) Seat 2: the roch 666 (80350 in chips) Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (43044 in chips) Seat 5: Guldgraveren (13165 in chips) Seat 6: Kilroyx (20050 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 7: dorschcharli (38490 in chips) Seat 8: jwvdcw (51850 in chips) Seat 9: 24forsure (23252 in chips) FolditsFree: posts the ante 100the roch 666: posts the ante 100EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 100Guldgraveren: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts the ante 100jwvdcw: posts the ante 10024forsure: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts small blind 600jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8d 8h]GoTribeGrady is connected 24forsure: folds FolditsFree: folds the roch 666: folds EgyptPharaoh: raises 2400 to 3600Guldgraveren: folds dorschcharli: folds jwvdcw: calls 2400*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 3s]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** TURN *** [8s 2d 3s] [As]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 3s As] [Qc]jwvdcw: bets 3600EgyptPharaoh: calls 3600*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)EgyptPharaoh: mucks hand jwvdcw collected 30100 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30100 | Rake 0 Board [8s 2d 3s As Qc]Seat 1: FolditsFree folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: the roch 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh mucked [Ad 7d]Seat 5: Guldgraveren (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dorschcharli (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (30100) with three of a kind, EightsSeat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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why just check-call on the turn?? I think I may've check-raised in that spot...
 
UniAlias said:
Assani Fisher said:
should've bet a bit more on river maybe, but otherwise think I played it well...PokerStars Game #13758674421: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (600/1200) - 2007/12/09 - 19:12:37 (ET)Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: FolditsFree (11430 in chips) Seat 2: the roch 666 (80350 in chips) Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (43044 in chips) Seat 5: Guldgraveren (13165 in chips) Seat 6: Kilroyx (20050 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 7: dorschcharli (38490 in chips) Seat 8: jwvdcw (51850 in chips) Seat 9: 24forsure (23252 in chips) FolditsFree: posts the ante 100the roch 666: posts the ante 100EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 100Guldgraveren: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts the ante 100jwvdcw: posts the ante 10024forsure: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts small blind 600jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8d 8h]GoTribeGrady is connected 24forsure: folds FolditsFree: folds the roch 666: folds EgyptPharaoh: raises 2400 to 3600Guldgraveren: folds dorschcharli: folds jwvdcw: calls 2400*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 3s]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** TURN *** [8s 2d 3s] [As]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 3s As] [Qc]jwvdcw: bets 3600EgyptPharaoh: calls 3600*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)EgyptPharaoh: mucks hand jwvdcw collected 30100 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30100 | Rake 0 Board [8s 2d 3s As Qc]Seat 1: FolditsFree folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: the roch 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh mucked [Ad 7d]Seat 5: Guldgraveren (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dorschcharli (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (30100) with three of a kind, EightsSeat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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why just check-call on the turn?? I think I may've check-raised in that spot...
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because it looks like a flush and hes folding if I do that(unless he has AA or the flush). I don't think I would've gotten an extra 3600 if I did that, do you? Moreover its much riskier if he does have me beat to play it that way.
 
Assani Fisher said:
UniAlias said:
Assani Fisher said:
should've bet a bit more on river maybe, but otherwise think I played it well...PokerStars Game #13758674421: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (600/1200) - 2007/12/09 - 19:12:37 (ET)Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: FolditsFree (11430 in chips) Seat 2: the roch 666 (80350 in chips) Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (43044 in chips) Seat 5: Guldgraveren (13165 in chips) Seat 6: Kilroyx (20050 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 7: dorschcharli (38490 in chips) Seat 8: jwvdcw (51850 in chips) Seat 9: 24forsure (23252 in chips) FolditsFree: posts the ante 100the roch 666: posts the ante 100EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 100Guldgraveren: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts the ante 100jwvdcw: posts the ante 10024forsure: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts small blind 600jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8d 8h]GoTribeGrady is connected 24forsure: folds FolditsFree: folds the roch 666: folds EgyptPharaoh: raises 2400 to 3600Guldgraveren: folds dorschcharli: folds jwvdcw: calls 2400*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 3s]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** TURN *** [8s 2d 3s] [As]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 3s As] [Qc]jwvdcw: bets 3600EgyptPharaoh: calls 3600*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)EgyptPharaoh: mucks hand jwvdcw collected 30100 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30100 | Rake 0 Board [8s 2d 3s As Qc]Seat 1: FolditsFree folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: the roch 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh mucked [Ad 7d]Seat 5: Guldgraveren (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dorschcharli (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (30100) with three of a kind, EightsSeat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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why just check-call on the turn?? I think I may've check-raised in that spot...
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because it looks like a flush and hes folding if I do that(unless he has AA or the flush). I don't think I would've gotten an extra 3600 if I did that, do you? Moreover its much riskier if he does have me beat to play it that way.
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depends on the player I suppose... given the raise before the flop, AK/AQ are easily possible, in which case there is a good chance he sticks with it... I would just hate to check-call the turn only to see a 4th spade hit the river... terrible feeling knowing that you could've taken the hand down on the turn.I don't disagree with the way you played it though.. considering what he actually had you probably got maximum value.
 
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