Assani Fisher
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2nd money level
yea, I should be on sometime later, although I might go play live again and might go to gym firstTeach me? :whoosh:Get on AIM later yo!
These were my thoughts as well. I was shocked that you underbet like you did.I think the problem is that you underbet the flop and turn against a maniac. The pot was about $200 preflop, and you bet $100 into it out of position. Your stack to pot ratio was a little over 5, which is ideal against this kid. On the turn, you again bet just half the pot. You need to get that money in quicker on such a heavily coordinated board.
I don't have a problem with the call, because his hand range included any medium pair and any paired small cards, but there really aren't many hands he can turn over short of a pure bluff that are good news. It would be more profitable long term if you had gotten more of the chips in as soon as you knew you were committed, because the times he does have a five, or spades, or a deuce, you freerolled him the rest of your stack as implied odds because you intended to call no matter what.
Edit to add: I think the better play would have been to bet somewhere between $150 and $200 on the flop, then bet at least $300 on the turn. You risk letting the maniac off the hook, sure, but you keep him from outdrawing you. I don't think pot control was the right answer at all. You were dead on your target SPR for him with your hand, so you were correct to be willing to commit.
yeah, quite a few people have said this and I do agree.These were my thoughts as well. I was shocked that you underbet like you did.I think the problem is that you underbet the flop and turn against a maniac. The pot was about $200 preflop, and you bet $100 into it out of position. Your stack to pot ratio was a little over 5, which is ideal against this kid. On the turn, you again bet just half the pot. You need to get that money in quicker on such a heavily coordinated board.
I don't have a problem with the call, because his hand range included any medium pair and any paired small cards, but there really aren't many hands he can turn over short of a pure bluff that are good news. It would be more profitable long term if you had gotten more of the chips in as soon as you knew you were committed, because the times he does have a five, or spades, or a deuce, you freerolled him the rest of your stack as implied odds because you intended to call no matter what.
Edit to add: I think the better play would have been to bet somewhere between $150 and $200 on the flop, then bet at least $300 on the turn. You risk letting the maniac off the hook, sure, but you keep him from outdrawing you. I don't think pot control was the right answer at all. You were dead on your target SPR for him with your hand, so you were correct to be willing to commit.
make that $887up one more money level in Sunday million...guaranteed at least $761 now.
If he hit the flush, he isnt shoving on a check. The term value bet comes to mind. His bet was a bet to fold, not a bet to call.ballsy call, i would have put him on spades. probably would have thought about it for a long time and folded.Nice job Mr. Fisher.Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.
As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.
Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.
Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.
At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.
Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.
Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.
River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.
What I did
I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.
Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."
What I think I should've done
I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.
I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.
I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.
I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
Nice call Assaniit does seem like that, but I got the impression(partially based upon his huge buy in and the fact that people seemed to know him as a regular) that he was a good player at times or at least had some skills. So I think he was aware of his current image and was aware of what it looked like, so he might've done the same with a monster. I do understand what you're saying though.If he hit the flush, he isnt shoving on a check. The term value bet comes to mind. His bet was a bet to fold, not a bet to call.ballsy call, i would have put him on spades. probably would have thought about it for a long time and folded.Nice job Mr. Fisher.Went to the Wynn last night. Booked a short $30 win at $1/3 while waiting for my $2/5 seat, then played for probably 11 hours at $2/5 which is my longest session in a while. At my initial table, nothing big really happened. There was one fish who kept my afloat by paying me off a few times, but I'd say I was up only around $50 after a few hours(had bought in for $1000, so had $1050 now). The table broke and I moved to the other $2/5 game.
As soon as I get there, I see theres an interesting hand going on. Two opponents, both very deepstacked are in a hand. Flop is on the board, something like 49T. One guy has $400 sitting out there as a bet(not sure if it was a raise or a bet), pot has a few hundred in it at least already. Other guy thinks for a while then shoves. Guy folds. After the hand theres a decent amount of banter back and forth..."keep raising with nothing, I love it" type of stuff.
Very next hand the guy who had bet $400 tries to raise it to $100 preflop after everyone had folded to him, but he accidentally just threw in the $100 chip so it was just a call(never said "raise"). Everyone folds to blinds, SB limps, BB checks. Before flop even comes out guy says "ok well I'm betting $100 on the flop no matter what" and throws it in. Blinds check, his $100 counts, and the blinds think for a while then folds. SB seems really angry at the bettor and mentions that hes been doing it all night and its pissing him off.
Very next hand I get KK in BB. Same guy raises to $20 from EP, folds to button(same guy in first hand who won the hand) who calls, I raise to $90. EP maniac calls, buttons folds. I have $1050 at start of hand, maniac has me covered by a decent amount.
At this point, I'm a bit concerned. His image is such that I can't put him on anything at all, and any aggressive play by him has to be met with a ton of skepticism. With that said, even maniacs hit hands from time to time, so the fact that he has me covered has me worried. I remember thinking that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he called me down then put in a huge bet on the river. I decided to try to keep the pot relatively small and to just use my best judgment.
Flop comes 234 with 2 spades. I do have the K of spades. I bet $100, he calls.
Turn is another 2 non-spade. I bet $200, he calls.
River is a 6 of spades. I check, he goes all in. Its $660 to me. I think for a long while. As I'm thinking he gives me a speech about how hes "going home if he loses this hand." Your move.
What I did
I called. He said "I have a 5." I said "you win" but held on to my cards. He showed 36os, I took the pot with kings and twos. He tipped the dealer about $50 and left, which made me feel a bit bad for winning the hand and only tipping $5, but whatever.
Before he left he told me that it was a terrible call, and said "thank you." Then I think he realized he was being a jerk, and said "My fault man...good call."
What I think I should've done
I really hate when people give me stupid "Jamie Gold-esque" speeches while I'm trying to think. I hate it because all it does is slow down my decision. My thought process basically always goes "What is he trying to get me to do? I should do the opposite then. Oh wait, but maybe hes thinking that and trying to think one level higher than me. Yeah, just forget it, lets get back to thinking about the hand...." I swear thats my exact thought process every time someone does this. Maybe I just need to improve my analysis skills in this regard.
I was getting well over 2-1 on my call, which was the deciding factor(He actually did ask me before he left why I called and I told him "getting over 2-1 odds and thought there was more than a 33% chance you were bluffing" which was the absolute truth). Still it was a tough decision because theres no reason he couldn't have had 35 instead of 36 or had the spades. His range was so wide open based upon what I had seen of him so far.
I didn't have any more cash on me and would've left if I had lost(I never go to the ATM at the casino...I dunno, just hate the feeling of doing that). And that was impacting me a little bit. But I thought it over, and I determined that the best move was to call and I made myself do what I thought was best. Would definitely be interested in analysis though from others.
I ended up winning over $1000 more and left a $2200 winner. I hadn't had $3200 on the table at once in a long time(summer of 2006) and it felt good.
I dont like thinking about stack sizes in cash games. Obviously, always want 100 blins min. After that, does it really matter? Sure, you want to be the deepest stack at the table, but I dont want that to affect my game. My goal has always been to find one hand, the perfect opportunity to get all my checks in the middle. I dont care if its 1000 blinds. Im not playing the table to manage my stack, im playing the table for the opportunity to double up.I think a huge leak in my game is that I don't play well with a big stack. This sounds like exactly the kind of problem I get into when I flop the third nuts against another big stack. I don't know how to deal with it, so I think my new plan is just to leave when I'm up big. I guess I could choose not to play anything but pocket pairs and suited aces where I have a chance to hit the absolute nuts, but I don't like that so much, either.Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins. Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already. Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.
Not much of a choice here really. At least I made the money...Full Tilt Poker Game #4451193068: $750,000 Guarantee (32404108), Table 284 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:50:36 ET - 2007/12/09Seat 2: dkw9337 (35,582)Seat 3: WinnerFish (28,701)Seat 4: Renkcit (38,413)Seat 5: dairydonk (9,530)Seat 6: Assani Fisher (5,430)Seat 7: Callidko (16,572)Seat 8: tntplus7 (21,160)Seat 9: JayL1961 (9,064)dkw9337 antes 125WinnerFish antes 125Renkcit antes 125dairydonk antes 125Assani Fisher antes 125Callidko antes 125tntplus7 antes 125JayL1961 antes 125dairydonk posts the small blind of 500Assani Fisher posts the big blind of 1,000The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Assani Fisher [Ts Th]Callidko foldstntplus7 foldsJayL1961 foldsmhickman sits downmhickman adds 43,416dkw9337 raises to 4,500WinnerFish foldsRenkcit foldsdairydonk foldsAssani Fisher raises to 5,305, and is all indkw9337 calls 805Assani Fisher shows [Ts Th]dkw9337 shows [Qs Qc]*** FLOP *** [6h 5h Ad]*** TURN *** [6h 5h Ad] [7h]*** RIVER *** [6h 5h Ad 7h] [3s]Assani Fisher shows a pair of Tensdkw9337 shows a pair of Queensdkw9337 wins the pot (12,110) with a pair of QueensAssani Fisher stands up*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 12,110 | Rake 0Board: [6h 5h Ad 7h 3s]Seat 2: dkw9337 showed [Qs Qc] and won (12,110) with a pair of QueensSeat 3: WinnerFish folded before the FlopSeat 4: Renkcit (button) folded before the FlopSeat 5: dairydonk (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: Assani Fisher (big blind) showed [Ts Th] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 7: Callidko folded before the FlopSeat 8: tntplus7 folded before the FlopSeat 9: JayL1961 folded before the Flopin the money in the Full Tilt $215 $750K guaranteed now. Shortstacked though.
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why just check-call on the turn?? I think I may've check-raised in that spot...should've bet a bit more on river maybe, but otherwise think I played it well...PokerStars Game #13758674421: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (600/1200) - 2007/12/09 - 19:12:37 (ET)Table '68769454 540' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: FolditsFree (11430 in chips) Seat 2: the roch 666 (80350 in chips) Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh (43044 in chips) Seat 5: Guldgraveren (13165 in chips) Seat 6: Kilroyx (20050 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 7: dorschcharli (38490 in chips) Seat 8: jwvdcw (51850 in chips) Seat 9: 24forsure (23252 in chips) FolditsFree: posts the ante 100the roch 666: posts the ante 100EgyptPharaoh: posts the ante 100Guldgraveren: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts the ante 100jwvdcw: posts the ante 10024forsure: posts the ante 100dorschcharli: posts small blind 600jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [8d 8h]GoTribeGrady is connected 24forsure: folds FolditsFree: folds the roch 666: folds EgyptPharaoh: raises 2400 to 3600Guldgraveren: folds dorschcharli: folds jwvdcw: calls 2400*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 3s]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** TURN *** [8s 2d 3s] [As]jwvdcw: checks EgyptPharaoh: bets 3600jwvdcw: calls 3600*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 3s As] [Qc]jwvdcw: bets 3600EgyptPharaoh: calls 3600*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)EgyptPharaoh: mucks hand jwvdcw collected 30100 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 30100 | Rake 0 Board [8s 2d 3s As Qc]Seat 1: FolditsFree folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: the roch 666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: EgyptPharaoh mucked [Ad 7d]Seat 5: Guldgraveren (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dorschcharli (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (30100) with three of a kind, EightsSeat 9: 24forsure folded before Flop (didn't bet)
especially since 3rd spade fellYes, it matters a ton. You must be way more deceptive preflop. Giving your hand away in a real deepstacked game is just suicide. Example:I dont like thinking about stack sizes in cash games. Obviously, always want 100 blins min. After that, does it really matter? Sure, you want to be the deepest stack at the table, but I dont want that to affect my game. My goal has always been to find one hand, the perfect opportunity to get all my checks in the middle. I dont care if its 1000 blinds. Im not playing the table to manage my stack, im playing the table for the opportunity to double up.I think a huge leak in my game is that I don't play well with a big stack. This sounds like exactly the kind of problem I get into when I flop the third nuts against another big stack. I don't know how to deal with it, so I think my new plan is just to leave when I'm up big. I guess I could choose not to play anything but pocket pairs and suited aces where I have a chance to hit the absolute nuts, but I don't like that so much, either.Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins.
Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already.
Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.
I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.
you are hot handed ... damnPokerStars Game #13761567842: Tournament #68769454, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (5000/10000) - 2007/12/09 - 21:37:49 (ET)Table '68769454 464' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: Urlings (72962 in chips) Seat 2: AGame18 (406883 in chips) Seat 3: ROBINJOOO (350752 in chips) Seat 4: krimstone (192572 in chips) Seat 5: Burtti (226999 in chips) Seat 6: profontaine (119882 in chips) Seat 7: JD9712 (129142 in chips) Seat 8: Dave149 (125184 in chips) Seat 9: jwvdcw (97772 in chips) Urlings: posts the ante 1000AGame18: posts the ante 1000ROBINJOOO: posts the ante 1000krimstone: posts the ante 1000Burtti: posts the ante 1000profontaine: posts the ante 1000JD9712: posts the ante 1000Dave149: posts the ante 1000jwvdcw: posts the ante 1000krimstone: posts small blind 5000Burtti: posts big blind 10000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Kc Ah]profontaine: folds JD9712: folds Dave149: folds jwvdcw: raises 86772 to 96772 and is all-inUrlings: folds AGame18: folds ROBINJOOO: calls 96772krimstone: folds Burtti: folds *** FLOP *** [7h 9d Kh]*** TURN *** [7h 9d Kh] [8s]*** RIVER *** [7h 9d Kh 8s] [4h]*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [Kc Ah] (a pair of Kings)ROBINJOOO: shows [Ad Qd] (high card Ace)ROBINJOOO said, "nh"jwvdcw collected 217544 from potjwvdcw said, "ty"jwvdcw said, "icy pots"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 217544 | Rake 0 Board [7h 9d Kh 8s 4h]Seat 1: Urlings folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: AGame18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: ROBINJOOO (button) showed [Ad Qd] and lost with high card AceSeat 4: krimstone (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: Burtti (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: profontaine folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: JD9712 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Dave149 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: jwvdcw showed [Kc Ah] and won (217544) with a pair of KingsHad raised all in the hand before too, so he probably was more likely to call due to that.
I think your example is a bit far fetched. Your saying I have 100 blinds and an opponent has 1k blinds?I see your points, and while Im not saying there wrong, Im saying its not my style. What I mean is, my goal is to get all my chips in the middle. It doesnt matter how many my opponent has. Especially if my opponent has 10x more than me. If I have the best hand, my goal is to make myself appear as I am pot commited. When I can give that appearence, it gives my opponents another reason to call: "Oh, he is pot commited, he didnt have a choice". Being pot commited is not a factor of my opponent stacks, its my betting strategy.Yes, it matters a ton. You must be way more deceptive preflop. Giving your hand away in a real deepstacked game is just suicide. Example:I dont like thinking about stack sizes in cash games. Obviously, always want 100 blins min. After that, does it really matter? Sure, you want to be the deepest stack at the table, but I dont want that to affect my game. My goal has always been to find one hand, the perfect opportunity to get all my checks in the middle. I dont care if its 1000 blinds. Im not playing the table to manage my stack, im playing the table for the opportunity to double up.I think a huge leak in my game is that I don't play well with a big stack. This sounds like exactly the kind of problem I get into when I flop the third nuts against another big stack. I don't know how to deal with it, so I think my new plan is just to leave when I'm up big. I guess I could choose not to play anything but pocket pairs and suited aces where I have a chance to hit the absolute nuts, but I don't like that so much, either.Played until 11AM Saturday morning. Fun drunk session.Ended up winning $1700 too....actually no huge pots though, just a bunch of $200-300 wins.
Made one huge mistake when I had 89, limped around, and I folded on a TJQ flop because I swore that the guy either had the same hand of K9, but he just had 2 pair. We were both really deep stacked, and there was another guy already all in, and he was firing decent and since there was a flush draw out there I really thought he had the straight already.
Other than that I'm playing really well right now though. I'm also running great obviously.
I got a despoit box at the Wynn. They said that usually they're all taken, but I was lucky. Its a $100 deposit, but its completely free. Located right at the poker room cashier too, which is perfect.
Lets say I have AA in the BB in a $2/5 game. LP raises to $25. If LP only had $300-500, it won't even be a question that I'm re raising here.
But now lets assume that we both have $5000. If I raise to $100 and he flat calls, now what? Now hes in position and pretty much has narrowed my range down to maybe 3 or 4 possible holdings.
You either have to be willing to make a lot of raises or re raises with average hands and have them show down or just flat call often with your monsters when deepstacked. Personally I like being deepstacked a lot more, but its definitely a risk.
in an uncapped hs game, do the blinds even matter? THere are lots of dynamics with multiways and different stack sizes. Im sure there are lots of examples when I would play the way you describe. Maybe it has more to do with how I characterize how im playing instead of how im playing.good luck tonightno, I'm saying you both have 1000K blinds, and no this isn't far fetched at the Wynn or any high stakes uncapped game
I've had 5k on a 5/10 table and 2500 on a 2/5 table on numerous occasions. When you're in a hand with an aggressive small/medium stack and another big stack, it absolutely changes the way you play.I think your example is a bit far fetched. Your saying I have 100 blinds and an opponent has 1k blinds?I see your points, and while Im not saying there wrong, Im saying its not my style. What I mean is, my goal is to get all my chips in the middle. It doesnt matter how many my opponent has. Especially if my opponent has 10x more than me. If I have the best hand, my goal is to make myself appear as I am pot commited. When I can give that appearence, it gives my opponents another reason to call: "Oh, he is pot commited, he didnt have a choice". Being pot commited is not a factor of my opponent stacks, its my betting strategy.good luck in the tourney's iPots
How many left?Wow my table is deep...I"m 23rd in the entire tourney yet I feel like an average stack at this table! Stacks are:1 mil935K589K<-----------me582K517K476K264K128K80K
6342 started, 160 leftHow many left?Wow my table is deep...I"m 23rd in the entire tourney yet I feel like an average stack at this table! Stacks are:1 mil935K589K<-----------me582K517K476K264K128K80K
$1522will make at least $1268 now, but with a pretty decent stack I"m hopeful for much higher.
Keep it up AF!$1522will make at least $1268 now, but with a pretty decent stack I"m hopeful for much higher.
$1775$1522will make at least $1268 now, but with a pretty decent stack I"m hopeful for much higher.
LOL - Love the Avatar$1775$1522will make at least $1268 now, but with a pretty decent stack I"m hopeful for much higher.
Nothing in the BB there huh?rags, rags, rags, rags, rags, rags, rags, rags, rags..............