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Unlucky
Phenom
Still has about 37k left?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I finally finished the hand in my "play through a hand with me" thread on 2p2 btw:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23/mtt-s...nd-me-here-115/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23/mtt-s...nd-me-here-115/
spOOfy
Footballguy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Had my biggest pot and biggest winning session ever in a $5/10(often straddled) PLO game at the Wynn yesterday.
Two limpers, loose friendly gambling type guy with $1500 raises to $60(he literally would do this with any 4), I flat with AA8T with 3 spades, button calls, really bad player in SB who has about $4500 min. raises to $120 without looking at his cards, good player in BB who has about $2500 raises pot to $560, folded around to loose gambling guy who calls, I raise pot to somewhere around $2500, button folds, SB finally looks at his cards and takes forever before pushing all in, good player in BB looks disgusted and asks me why I had to flat with aces...says theres too much money in the pot and he calls, of course loose gambler calls for his last $1000 or so.
BB had kings single suited and his suit was spades which I had covered. SB somehow only had bad queens...something like QQT6 with 2 clubs. Absolutely no clue why he felt as if he had to play for his entire stack there. Loose gambler guy had 4 low cards(never saw his hand but he said he had 7 high).
288 rainbow on flop gives me trip 8s. Club on turns gives QQ guy a flush draw. Club on river...but its the ace of clubs making me the nuts(since quads were impossible due to me having an 8). Nice $13,000 pot with a profit of $8500 for me! Ended up winning a bit more to end up around $12,000 which was my biggest live win ever!
One pretty interesting spot in another hand:
I forget the exact action, but the important thing is that its me against the idiot with QQ from above and he has about $4000 and he has position on me. He raises preflop and I call. I have 99T...forget my 4th card. Theres about $180 in the pot going to the flop and myabe 4 or 5 players.
Flop comes 89J with 2 clubs. I check becuase I don't want to get bet off the hand. Idiot bets $100, everyone folds to me. Again, while my hand is strong, I simply can't re-open the betting because if he pots it then I'm not getting the odds to call and my straight draw is dead. So I just call.
Turn is a 7 of diamonds, putting 2 diamonds and 2 clubs out there, and giving me the straight. How does everyone play this spot?
I think its very interesting because my hand is extremely strong as long as he doesn't have TQ, and its a bit vulnerable due to the 2 flush draws(I have no diamonds or clubs in my hand) so I almost have to bet. But then if he has TQ and I bet and he pots it then I have to fold my full house draw which sucks. Any thoughts?
I ended up check/calling. The river brought a diamond and we checked it down. My straight was good....but thats not the interesting part imo. I think the turn play is an interesting spot.
Two limpers, loose friendly gambling type guy with $1500 raises to $60(he literally would do this with any 4), I flat with AA8T with 3 spades, button calls, really bad player in SB who has about $4500 min. raises to $120 without looking at his cards, good player in BB who has about $2500 raises pot to $560, folded around to loose gambling guy who calls, I raise pot to somewhere around $2500, button folds, SB finally looks at his cards and takes forever before pushing all in, good player in BB looks disgusted and asks me why I had to flat with aces...says theres too much money in the pot and he calls, of course loose gambler calls for his last $1000 or so.
BB had kings single suited and his suit was spades which I had covered. SB somehow only had bad queens...something like QQT6 with 2 clubs. Absolutely no clue why he felt as if he had to play for his entire stack there. Loose gambler guy had 4 low cards(never saw his hand but he said he had 7 high).
288 rainbow on flop gives me trip 8s. Club on turns gives QQ guy a flush draw. Club on river...but its the ace of clubs making me the nuts(since quads were impossible due to me having an 8). Nice $13,000 pot with a profit of $8500 for me! Ended up winning a bit more to end up around $12,000 which was my biggest live win ever!
One pretty interesting spot in another hand:
I forget the exact action, but the important thing is that its me against the idiot with QQ from above and he has about $4000 and he has position on me. He raises preflop and I call. I have 99T...forget my 4th card. Theres about $180 in the pot going to the flop and myabe 4 or 5 players.
Flop comes 89J with 2 clubs. I check becuase I don't want to get bet off the hand. Idiot bets $100, everyone folds to me. Again, while my hand is strong, I simply can't re-open the betting because if he pots it then I'm not getting the odds to call and my straight draw is dead. So I just call.
Turn is a 7 of diamonds, putting 2 diamonds and 2 clubs out there, and giving me the straight. How does everyone play this spot?
I think its very interesting because my hand is extremely strong as long as he doesn't have TQ, and its a bit vulnerable due to the 2 flush draws(I have no diamonds or clubs in my hand) so I almost have to bet. But then if he has TQ and I bet and he pots it then I have to fold my full house draw which sucks. Any thoughts?
I ended up check/calling. The river brought a diamond and we checked it down. My straight was good....but thats not the interesting part imo. I think the turn play is an interesting spot.
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prefontaine
Footballguy
I'd play it just like this. Hard to get too aggressive here because he could make a dumb play with T-8-7/9 and flush draw or some such and you'd still have to fold. He can't check here since the 2nd flush appeared. If he was betting a flush draw, can you imagine checking in this spot? You might as well put a sign around your neck that says "please bluff me on the river." If he has QT there are now two flush draws against him (though he could have QT +draw). I might consider a check-raise here if I was feeling super aggressive but I wouldn't lead.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I'd probably bet-fold the turn. Although our line is strange, without reads, I'd assume most live villian to be too passive to raise without QT here. I think potting the turn for both value and information is the best play here.
With a value bet here, if he calls, I'd have a better idea of his range on the river. If he calls I'd guess his range would likely be the same straight as you, a club flush draw, and/or a set. You're likely freerolling the straight, and you can better play the river than check-calling the turn as his range is a lot wider and you easily can be bluffed off the best hand or he's going to get 2 streets of value out if he has QT.
With a value bet here, if he calls, I'd have a better idea of his range on the river. If he calls I'd guess his range would likely be the same straight as you, a club flush draw, and/or a set. You're likely freerolling the straight, and you can better play the river than check-calling the turn as his range is a lot wider and you easily can be bluffed off the best hand or he's going to get 2 streets of value out if he has QT.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Assani, you suggesting that a more casual player play more live got me curious as to what a good hourly rate would be playing 2/5, 5/10 or even 10/20 live be. I thought that playing even as low as 100NL would lead to a similar hourly, but it seem that you rarely play cash online vs live. Between you and FE, I'd guess you'd be a pretty good source to compare the hourly rates.
mex
Footballguy
sorry to clutter Assani's thread but this was just too funny not to post. I'm shuked as to how he folds, even if he miss-clicked he has to call
PokerStars Game #20643894098: Tournament #109979590, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/09/23 20:35:10 ET
Table '109979590 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: urYY4me (10125 in chips)
Seat 2: maruano (40889 in chips)
Seat 3: schnuerchen (44347 in chips)
Seat 4: Silhouette83 (56912 in chips)
Seat 5: JohnSpurs (19758 in chips)
Seat 6: vwstonejode (13235 in chips)
Seat 7: cassellroc (16971 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: candyman59 (27225 in chips)
Seat 9: jtotheones (40538 in chips)
urYY4me: posts the ante 100
maruano: posts the ante 100
schnuerchen: posts the ante 100
Silhouette83: posts the ante 100
JohnSpurs: posts the ante 100
vwstonejode: posts the ante 100
cassellroc: posts the ante 100
candyman59: posts the ante 100
jtotheones: posts the ante 100
schnuerchen: posts small blind 500
Silhouette83: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vwstonejode [Jh Js]
JohnSpurs: folds
vwstonejode: raises 3500 to 4500
cassellroc: folds
candyman59: folds
jtotheones: folds
candyman59 said, "tks"
urYY4me: folds
maruano: raises 6500 to 11000
schnuerchen: folds
Silhouette83: folds
vwstonejode: raises 2135 to 13135 and is all-in
maruano: folds
Uncalled bet (2135) returned to vwstonejode
Silhouette83 said, "lol"
vwstonejode collected 24400 from pot
vwstonejode: shows [Jh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: urYY4me folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: maruano (button) folded before Flop
Seat 3: schnuerchen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Silhouette83 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JohnSpurs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: vwstonejode collected (24400)
Seat 7: cassellroc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: candyman59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jtotheones folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #20643894098: Tournament #109979590, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/09/23 20:35:10 ET
Table '109979590 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: urYY4me (10125 in chips)
Seat 2: maruano (40889 in chips)
Seat 3: schnuerchen (44347 in chips)
Seat 4: Silhouette83 (56912 in chips)
Seat 5: JohnSpurs (19758 in chips)
Seat 6: vwstonejode (13235 in chips)
Seat 7: cassellroc (16971 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: candyman59 (27225 in chips)
Seat 9: jtotheones (40538 in chips)
urYY4me: posts the ante 100
maruano: posts the ante 100
schnuerchen: posts the ante 100
Silhouette83: posts the ante 100
JohnSpurs: posts the ante 100
vwstonejode: posts the ante 100
cassellroc: posts the ante 100
candyman59: posts the ante 100
jtotheones: posts the ante 100
schnuerchen: posts small blind 500
Silhouette83: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vwstonejode [Jh Js]
JohnSpurs: folds
vwstonejode: raises 3500 to 4500
cassellroc: folds
candyman59: folds
jtotheones: folds
candyman59 said, "tks"
urYY4me: folds
maruano: raises 6500 to 11000
schnuerchen: folds
Silhouette83: folds
vwstonejode: raises 2135 to 13135 and is all-in
maruano: folds
Uncalled bet (2135) returned to vwstonejode
Silhouette83 said, "lol"
vwstonejode collected 24400 from pot
vwstonejode: shows [Jh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: urYY4me folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: maruano (button) folded before Flop
Seat 3: schnuerchen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Silhouette83 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JohnSpurs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: vwstonejode collected (24400)
Seat 7: cassellroc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: candyman59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jtotheones folded before Flop (didn't bet)
mex
Footballguy
no, a few hands later he folded an all in raise out of the big blind for 600 when he was deep. I'm not complaining as I'm down to the the final 4
Your Mother
Footballguy
Flat = verb, not adj. "I flatted aces."That game sounds amazing assuming one is properly BR'ed for it. Some really horrific things happening in that first hand.
Clifton
Footballguy
Oh I get the verb part I just haven't heard the term.
red stripe
Footballguy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
My personal online rate is probably a bit higher, but....-I have to pay taxes on online wins whereas my live wins are untraceable-Multitabling 12 tables is stressful and not fun one bit-There is more variance online because you're playing much tougher competition and you're pushing much smaller edgesObviously a lot depends upon how soft the game is but I'd say you could make $40/hour at $2/5, $100/hour at $5/10, and $250/hour at $10/20 when playing live on average if you table select decently.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I don't think theres a big enough market for it. Almost nobody plays it live, and there usually only around 10-12 tables of it running at $1/2 and above on Stars even during peak hours.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
All FBGs are definitely encouraged to post and continually bump that thread!red stripe said:
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
What about a book about Omaha and all it's variations?
Pyscho Wife
Footballguy
Jeff Hwang has a few ones out on Omaha that I heard are pretty good.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Shh, I'm trying to make Assani some money here.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Theory of Poker, NL Theory and Practice, and Harrington on Cash Games imo.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Haha, yeah Hwang's book already does that, and I'm not good enough at PLO hi only to write a book on it at all.Shh, I'm trying to make Assani some money here.
Onions
Footballguy
What are your initial thoughts on the Harrington cash game books?
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
PLEASE convert your hands at this site: http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php - use the PLAIN TEXT FORMAT - and click on "show results"this will help the FFA CONSIDERABLY... look how much more readable this is!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 500/1000 Blinds 100 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO (t10125)
Button (t40889)
SB (t44347)
BB (t56912)
UTG (t19758)
Hero (UTG+1) (t13235)
MP1 (t27225)
MP2 (t40538)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Jh, Js
1 fold, Hero raises to t4500, 4 folds, Button raises to t11000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t13135 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: t24400
Results:
Hero had Jh, Js (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won t24400
folded for 2K.. LOLOL
bryhamm
Footballguy
All FBGs are definitely encouraged to post and continually bump that thread!
How did you come about deciding to start that up?
Sweet J
Footballguy
Assani is one funny sob.All FBGs are definitely encouraged to post and continually bump that thread!
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I just skimmed through them...seemed decent enough to me, but I didn't really care enough to read them all the way through. Sorry I can't give a better review. Seems like they are universally well liked though.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
In complete honesty I can't remember why or how I came up with the idea at all. I do know that its a completely fake hand, and I think my intentions were to drag it out all along. However, the throwing up and the finish were decided as I went.All FBGs are definitely encouraged to post and continually bump that thread!
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Been playing a ton of PLO8 online recently. My goal each day is 2000 hands and to win $1000. If I reach 2000 hands and havn't won $1000 then I keep playing. I've done this for 7 days and won over $7000....I only didn't make the $1000 one day(I got to 3000 hands then gave up) but I made up for it by winning a bit more on other days.
Next year I'm going for Supernova Elite, which means I'll have to double my hands to 4000 at least. Gonna be tough, but the money would be great if I could do that. I'm up to 14 tables now at one time. I only liked 12 in the past because I like to be able to see all of my hands at once, but I don't mind it if 2 tables are hidden.
Next year I'm going for Supernova Elite, which means I'll have to double my hands to 4000 at least. Gonna be tough, but the money would be great if I could do that. I'm up to 14 tables now at one time. I only liked 12 in the past because I like to be able to see all of my hands at once, but I don't mind it if 2 tables are hidden.
russinfortworth
Footballguy
AF,In playing so many tables, how do you keep track of the competition at each table and their tendencies? Or do you just simply play the odds, knowing that doing so over so many hands, should keep you in the red?
Alias
Footballguy
I was gonna ask, how many hours has it taken to go up $1k per day?
I think you should consider trying to do 3k hands per day for a week or even 4k hands per day for a week. Make that a goal instead of win/loss - more to reaffirm that your SNE goal for '09 is attainable. It still seems like you get caught up in the gamblers cycle of coming out ahead (i.e. going an extra 1k hands since you were down that day).
I think you should consider trying to do 3k hands per day for a week or even 4k hands per day for a week. Make that a goal instead of win/loss - more to reaffirm that your SNE goal for '09 is attainable. It still seems like you get caught up in the gamblers cycle of coming out ahead (i.e. going an extra 1k hands since you were down that day).
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
I've tried explaining to Assani that when it comes to online, it's a much better goal to set something that IS in your control (ie. # of hands played), but he's positive his winrate will allow him to do it this way. That's why I set a goal of 70,000 hands this month, not X amount of dollars
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Not in the least, tbh. Many of the people we play against aren't US players. Not to mention that the major damage was done when the UIGEA was passed and they crippled avg joe's ability to deposit, so if we could make it thru that, I don't see the economy hurting affecting us really at all.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
For whatever reason I can multitask really well- I'm actually typing this now on my laptop as I play 14 tables on my main computer, and I always either have music/tv on too. So I can still observe opponents pretty well even though I have a lot of tables. Also the PLO8 community is pretty small, so I've played with all the regulars a ton. If someone isn't a regular, then 90+% of the time they suck and I just treat them as if they do.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
The reasons you mentioned plus
okerStars Supernova Elite Program-Freedom to play whenever I want-Money is better
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Take around 4 hours to play 2K hands, which is extremely mentally exhausing so I usually break it down into 2 two hour sessions. I'll obviously have to double that to make SNE starting next year.Understand your general point about gambler's mentality, but that doesn't affect me- I don't play bad nor do I chase action in order to achieve my goal quickly; Its simply a way for me to force myself to play more hands some days. I'm sure I could just play 2500 hands per day regardless of results, but this way is a bit more fun for me and keeping poker fun and enjoyable is important.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Yes, I've spoken to several poker room managers who have echoed similar concerns too.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
any backup plans, or you'll jump that hurdle when it gets to you.tell me more about what supernova elite will do for you and why that's such a big goal.as a 20 mTT a month player only, i get virtually ZERO fpp's (esp. since i mainly play rebuys).. so my perception of the fpp package is to get an occasional hat or shirt.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I don't think it'll ever be so bad that I won't be able to play poker. If it is then I'd probably get into some other form of gambling(have been studying sports betting a ton recently) or maybe even working in the casinos. But I really really doubt it would come to that. SuperNova Elite:I have to earn 1,000,000 VPPs to get it. That automaticallly means I'll have 3.5 million FPPs to spend since I get 3.5x due to being Supernova already. I can get a $4000 cash bonus for every 250,000 FPPs, so thats $56,000 there.Then in 2010 I'll get 5x FPPs instead of 3.5x since I'm supernova Elite.In addittion to that I get milestone bonuses along the way:$2000 at 200K VPP$3000 at 300K VPP$4000 at 400K VPP$5000 at 500K VPP$6000 at 600K VPP$8000 at 800K VPPAlthough each of those bonuses will cost me 50K FPPs to purchase, so I guess I'll have to spend 300K on those, so take away one of those $4000 bonuses I mentioned above.So thats $52,000 in $4000 bonuses and $28,000 in milestone bonsues for a total of $80,000 in bonsues.I also get a free entry into the WCOOP Main Event($500 I believe)I also get either $10,000 and an entry into two $10,000 tourneys(WSOP ME, PCA, EPT Monte Carlo, APPT Sydney) or two entries into those $10,000 tourneys but no cash.So its basically $100,000 worth of value in addittion to the fact that I'll be making a ton of money by playing that many hands as is.Plus if I go really crazy there are additional milestone bonuses:$10,000 bonus at 1,250,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $10,000 bonus at 1,500,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $10,000 bonus at 1,750,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $20,000 bonus at 2,000,000 VPPs (100,000 Base FPPs to clear) $10,000 bonus at 2,250,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $10,000 bonus at 2,500,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $10,000 bonus at 2,750,000 VPPs (50,000 Base FPPs to clear) $20,000 bonus at 3,000,000 VPPs (100,000 Base FPPs to clear) But I'll probably be killing myself just to get to one million. I can't imagine how people get to 3.This is what they offered for 2008. It usually changes a bit from year to year though, so I'm not 100% sure what they'll do for 2009 yet.Dentist said:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Oh and you also get entry into freerolls each Saturday, but they're not worth my time and I always miss them.