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Auction issue - what to do? (2 Viewers)

The league that I commish is a 24 round auction with a budget of 250$. We have up to 2 keepers per year. So far, this is pretty standard stuff.

This past Friday, we had our auction and I must say, things went pretty well. Until last night when I noticed that one of my league mates IR’d a player during the auction. Because if this, he was allowed to roster an extra player. There is no actual rule against this, but I feel like a 24 round draft is a 24 played team and not a 25 player team.

What would you commissioners do? I feel like stripping the IR’d player is the move here. What do you all think?
 
Let him keep all 25 and add a rule to prevent it (no injury designations until after the draft is completed) next year if it bothers you.
I am hoping this won’t be the majority opinion.
Without a current rule in place, he found a loop hole. While it isn't ideal I think the draft stands and then can make a rule for next year that players are not to be put in IR during the draft, and the draft is set for 24. He still had a max budget he had to stay within. While this situation is not ideal it can be addressed going forward.
 
He worked within the settings of an online auction league. Sew it up for next year, but in the end he's gaining the extra spot either way. Our live auction league has 2 IR spots and it was rightly assumed that the winning bid on injured players would gain the ability to move the guy to IR post-draft and effectively gain the short-term advantage of the roster spot over much of the league. It should be baked in to the price that guys like Godwin and Spears are going for.
 
Let him keep all 25 and add a rule to prevent it (no injury designations until after the draft is completed) next year if it bothers you.
I am hoping this won’t be the majority opinion.
It will be
Sometimes clever sometimes jerks...part of the game is taking advantage of roster rules.

I've been in plenty of leagues where guys stayed up at midnight for waiver claims while normal people slept and woke to players gone in the morning.

Just make a rule for next year
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
Exactly
 
Don't have a lot of experience with online auction drafts. Is this something that can be done in most platforms? It does seem a little odd that the platform is allowing the move in-draft. Is there an actual draft setting that would have prevented it aside from turning off IR all together? IF yes, you technically dropped the ball as commish (but easy mistake and giving the guy grief is still fair game). If there's no way to prevent it without turning off the IR during the draft and turning it back on after, you could do that, but probably easier just to make the announcement that it won't be tolerated in future years.
 
Staying up for waivers isn’t cheating. Getting an extra player at draft time is.
Calling it cheating is a bit strong, but it seems, or should be, obvious to everyone that you only get 24 players. So, in that sense, and since it sounds like this is not a new league, i'd say the rule was implied. I hate the notion that it was not in the rules. It was, everyone followed it, there is precedence.

Since this is an auction draft, whether he came away with 20 players or 30 doesn't hurt the other teams in this context, everyone else had equal opportunity to buy the same players if they chose to. Only the last player he nominated and ultimately purchased should not have happened and by that logic that player should be dropped now before the first waiver.

If you auction is like mine, then this could have "hurt" someone, since the last couple of rounds are min bid players and someone might have wanted that last player, I guess. He should not be allowed to choose who he drops, imo, that last player has to go.
 
Thank him for finding the loophole. Ask the league how it should be managed. Are you ok with this?
Make a fair ruling. Avoid using your personal owner bias as the commissioner.
Commissioner goal is to ensure the league runs smoother.
Team 7 left the 24 round draft with 25 players.
Is a level playing field to start the season?

Options: 1. Leave it. No changes to roster. League is good with it. No Rules proposed. Let the owners know they can do that at the next draft.
Options 2. Leave it. Propose and vote on a rule change.
Options 3. Allow team to vote. To correct it but give owner an option. The last player acquired can go back in the pool or something.
Ultimately, $250 budget all of the players had to be within budget. I don't believe he got extra dollars did he?
Option 4. Fine him. Remove the player. Edit his line up. (Probably don't do this).
I don't think there are waiver priorities are there? You can adjust his budget or waiver priority perhaps.

As an owner you may not like it. Especially if it involves a player you like etc. But everyone technically had the opportunity to acquire the IR player and designate them to IR.

Don't punish the teams trying to get better that are active. If you don't like the rules, edit the rules.
My advice leave it. Allow the league to vote on the outcome.
Also, I usually assign a few co-commissioners at the start of the season etc. These guys have authority. So if a something league issue involves 1-2 teams or playoff implications.
In 2022 I lost the title when Hamlin died on the field. The enxt play would've been a FB and I tied it up or went ahead by a fraction. The game suspended and never finished. I'm commissioner, vs a co-commissioner, there are 2 other commissioners. I also owned the draft pick of one of the other commissioners etc. So the co-commissioner w/o any conflicts said. "The games' over. you lose." It took a week to figure that out but I had to immediately accept it. That cost me a 3-peat. I still claim that the 2022 finals has an asterisks next to the champ. But that's cool. A fun thing is that it made the league more competitive. They were tired of me winning and this was overall better for the league.
 
The league that I commish is a 24 round auction with a budget of 250$. We have up to 2 keepers per year. So far, this is pretty standard stuff.

This past Friday, we had our auction and I must say, things went pretty well. Until last night when I noticed that one of my league mates IR’d a player during the auction. Because if this, he was allowed to roster an extra player. There is no actual rule against this, but I feel like a 24 round draft is a 24 played team and not a 25 player team.

What would you commissioners do? I feel like stripping the IR’d player is the move here. What do you all think?
I commish an auction league also. There is nothing you can do this year. There was no rule against what he did.

If the league doesn’t like what he did, then make a rule against it in the offseason.

We had a similar scenario in our second year when someone didn’t draft a kicker. Some other owners didn’t like it but there was no rule against it. In the offseason we passed a rule stating you had to leave the auction with a complete starting lineup.

Many years later, we got rid of kickers, so it’s really not an issue now.
 
Staying up for waivers isn’t cheating. Getting an extra player at draft time is.
Calling it cheating is a bit strong, but it seems, or should be, obvious to everyone that you only get 24 players. So, in that sense, and since it sounds like this is not a new league, i'd say the rule was implied. I hate the notion that it was not in the rules. It was, everyone followed it, there is precedence.

Since this is an auction draft, whether he came away with 20 players or 30 doesn't hurt the other teams in this context, everyone else had equal opportunity to buy the same players if they chose to. Only the last player he nominated and ultimately purchased should not have happened and by that logic that player should be dropped now before the first waiver.

If you auction is like mine, then this could have "hurt" someone, since the last couple of rounds are min bid players and someone might have wanted that last player, I guess. He should not be allowed to choose who he drops, imo, that last player has to go.
I think if everyone had the chance to acquire an IR player and designate them and continue drafting. It's not cheating. I don't like implied rules. Put it in your league bylaws. Vote on them each year before the draft and so forth. Totally agree that Auction factor also levels the field. I feel like there could be owners that push the limits and platform, league settings play a role but there's also a commissioner setting (In YAHOO!) where you clarify that drafted players can be placed on IR or take up a roster spot. So, maybe this is the only guy that read the rules and figured it was worth a try. Maybe there were 9-11 basic B's not doing anything. Reward the man for trying to get better. Close the loop hole if desired. Give other owners a chance to outbid him on the last guy if they want? edit waiver priority? But that's only if you doing something about it and the league agrees. Another option... just ask the guy. Hey, did you want to drop a player? If he willingly does it it removes a bunch of hassle. If it doesn't that's fine too.
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
There's not 24 rounds. It's auction.

The commish or software or something could be blamed for allowing it maybe BUT it sounds like the rule did.

I've been in dynasty leagues that don't allow IR til in-season. This seems similar but lacking that rule.
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
There's not 24 rounds. It's auction.

The commish or software or something could be blamed for allowing it maybe BUT it sounds like the rule did.

I've been in dynasty leagues that don't allow IR til in-season. This seems similar but lacking that rule.
There are 24 rounds, not 24+
 
I've been in several auctions. I'd let it stand and change the rule. If you take a player from his 25 then you are cheating him out of $1 or the money he spent on his 25th player. He ends up with one les dollar than everyone else and that doesn't seem fair. Usually every dollar counts in auctions. Every other player spent $250 and he only spent $249 if you take his last player away.
 
Put me in camp that is on your side, draft was 24 rounds, yes he found a loophole that wasn't explicitly written into the rules but I've never heard of someone moving someone to IR during a draft. Not every single thing can be accounted for in the rules, sometimes judgement has to prevail. (You can open it up to a league vote if you want but that's dependent on how other issues like this are usually decided.)
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
yes, in all of them if you trade for an extra pick
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
There's not 24 rounds. It's auction.

The commish or software or something could be blamed for allowing it maybe BUT it sounds like the rule did.

I've been in dynasty leagues that don't allow IR til in-season. This seems similar but lacking that rule.
If each owner is nominating 24 players, there's 24 'rounds'. I agree that the commish should have caught it, but that doesn't make it correct. The dude was obviously trying to get away with something, otherwise he would have said, 'now that I got Joe Smith, I'm putting him on IR so I can bid on an extra player '. He knew he was trying to do something shady.
 
Let him keep all 25 and add a rule to prevent it (no injury designations until after the draft is completed) next year if it bothers you.
This is the right answer. If it was never discussed and there was no rule preventing it you can't just take a player away because what player should be taken away? You could argue the IR guy. You could argue the last guy he acquired. Either way those decisions have cascading impacts to the overall auction as other things happened because of this situation. Someone didn't get a different player. So where do you stop "fixing" the mistake.

Just chalk it up to a loophole and close it moving forward. Nothing else you can really do.
 
I appreciate the commentary, so thank you for that. I don’t want to play FF with guys that are looking to make moves that falls outside the spirit of this fun hobby of ours.

Personally , I think this guy should have been upfront with the league as this was done in the first 30min of our 5hr marathon. He admitted it as soon as I asked him, so he knew what he did.
 
Since this is an auction draft, whether he came away with 20 players or 30 doesn't hurt the other teams in this context, everyone else had equal opportunity to buy the same players if they chose to. Only the last player he nominated and ultimately purchased should not have happened and by that logic that player should be dropped now before the first waiver.
But what if another team wanted that guy? How do you remedy that? It's a slippery slope as you can keep going on and on.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
 
Each team is supposed to come out of the draft with 24 players.
Is it in the rules?
Yes, it says a team will have 24 players after the auction. There is no specific rule about IR.

Well, which is it? You said...

There is no actual rule against this, but I feel like a 24 round draft is a 24 played team and not a 25 player team.
I guess was being soft in my first post. It’s a 24 rnd / 24 players.
 
I don't think you can pick which of the 25 he is to drop. If everyone is on board (including the drafter) that 24 is the set # after the draft then they should have to drop someone before the first set of waivers run.

He basically was able to roster an extra player before waivers run. So if he wants he can keep the IR guy (who he drafted first) and he could drop someone else. Or his 25th player he drafted is dropped. But in this instance you are acting on something where there are no rules set. Can get dicey.
There's no rule because there doesn’t need to be one. There's 24 rounds, not 25. In your redraft league, can you draft an extra player because you took a player on IR? Of course not.
There's not 24 rounds. It's auction.

The commish or software or something could be blamed for allowing it maybe BUT it sounds like the rule did.

I've been in dynasty leagues that don't allow IR til in-season. This seems similar but lacking that rule.
There are 24 rounds, not 24+

The purpose of an auction is to fill out a roster. Are your rosters 24 players or 24 + IR.

I really don't think it's something that should tear your league apart. Sure, he found the loophole that gained his team a small advantage at this early stage when everyone is hyperventilating and eager for football. With 24, it won't take long for everyone else in the league to gain IR eligible players and make use of the roster spot. When someone else gets dinged on his roster, he's going to have to make a tough cut decision.

Ban it for 2026 and move on. Or make sure everyone knows they can do it in 2026 and move on.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
It is shady if no one else is doing this. Another league member got 2 players that can go on IR. He ended up with 24 players as he didn’t know. He didn’t know because he has common sense.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
We'll agree to disagree i guess.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
It is shady if no one else is doing this. Another league member got 2 players that can go on IR. He ended up with 24 players as he didn’t know. He didn’t know because he has common sense.
So just because nobody else is drafting a back up TE you are shady if you do? Come on. Just because he thought of something nobody else did doesn't mean he was being shady. "shady" implies that you are doing something devious and underhanded. Did you ever say you can't put guys on IR during the auction? My guess is he got the player and said I wonder if I can put him on IR. Let me try. The site let me so it must be ok. Great. That is not being shady because there is no intent to deceive going on.

The other guy didn't do it because he didn't think outside the box and try and see if it would work. This is taking a big leap into making a character evaluation of the guy.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
We'll agree to disagree i guess.
To me "shady" implies the guy has bad character. This seems like the guy tried to put a guy on IR since it was never talked about and the site let him do it. I don't think he was trying to be nefarious or hide anything. Anybody could have seen what he did. I know I would have noticed if I was in that draft as I track other teams players and money.
 
He knew he was trying to do something shady.
Why must it be shady? Anybody could do it? There wasn't a rule against it. He did it during the draft and anybody could see what he was doing if you are keeping track of what other teams have with regards to players and money. It doesn't sound like he was being nefarious and trying to hide anything. He got a player that was IR eligible. The site let him place him on IR and open up a roster spot. Nothing shady about that if it wasn't discussed and said you cannot do it.
It is shady if no one else is doing this. Another league member got 2 players that can go on IR. He ended up with 24 players as he didn’t know. He didn’t know because he has common sense.

Hate the platform that allowed him to pull off the maneuver. Hate the fact that you missed the setting as the commish, or weren't able to get ahead of it -- but don't be too hard on yourself for that.

Don't hate the hustle in your leaguemates. Do yourself a favor and don't allow this to be a situation where you or anyone else is vilifying the guy in league chat. Good natured taunting, just fine.
 
Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.
 
Each team is supposed to come out of the draft with 24 players.
Is it in the rules?
Yes, it says a team will have 24 players after the auction. There is no specific rule about IR.

Well, which is it? You said...

There is no actual rule against this, but I feel like a 24 round draft is a 24 played team and not a 25 player team.
I guess was being soft in my first post. It’s a 24 rnd / 24 play

If the draft/auction is 24 rounds and there are 12 owners, then how were 289 players auctioned instead of 288? Sounds like the auction wasn't set correctly to 24 rounds.
Auctions start out in rounds just to nominate a player to be bid on. All 12 teams nominate rotisserie style. At the end of an auction there are no rounds. The auction continues until all teams have reached their lineup maximum, in this case 24 players. Some teams finish 20 or 30 minutes before others. Calling it 24 rounds is inaccurate.
 
Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.
OP sounds like either a new or a "rule with an iron fist" commish. After running leagues for 25+ years, you learn to just let these small things slide, patch them up for the next year, and do your best for your managers to enjoy a fair, honest, drama-free league as best you can make it.

I'm guessing there's something that says 24 players so no one leaves with 50.
Sounds like he just needs to close the (no rule against) IR loophole in the future.
 
Since this is an auction draft, whether he came away with 20 players or 30 doesn't hurt the other teams in this context, everyone else had equal opportunity to buy the same players if they chose to. Only the last player he nominated and ultimately purchased should not have happened and by that logic that player should be dropped now before the first waiver.
But what if another team wanted that guy? How do you remedy that? It's a slippery slope as you can keep going on and on.
addressed that in my post in the next paragraph. that is the only thing I didn't have a remedy to and if that happened in my league I wouldn't try to fix that specific thing. it would be impossible to be truly equitable imo.
 
I'm guessing there's something that says 24 players so no one leaves with 50.
Sounds like he just needs to close the (no rule against) IR loophole in the future.
In all my auction leagues the rule states no more than X players or $XXX money...whichever comes first. So teams don't even need to get to 24 players in those instances if they spend too much money.

I know most website platforms don't let you do that when auctioning on line but our auctions have been live so you gotta keep track of your own money and budget to make sure you fill out a roster.

I agree with your sentiment though. This is such minor blip no reason to make it more difficult than it needs to be. Just close up the loophole for next year and move on.
 
Each team is supposed to come out of the draft with 24 players.
Is it in the rules?
Yes, it says a team will have 24 players after the auction. There is no specific rule about IR.

Well, which is it? You said...

There is no actual rule against this, but I feel like a 24 round draft is a 24 played team and not a 25 player team.
I guess was being soft in my first post. It’s a 24 rnd / 24 play

If the draft/auction is 24 rounds and there are 12 owners, then how were 289 players auctioned instead of 288? Sounds like the auction wasn't set correctly to 24 rounds.
Auctions start out in rounds just to nominate a player to be bid on. All 12 teams nominate rotisserie style. At the end of an auction there are no rounds. The auction continues until all teams have reached their lineup maximum, in this case 24 players. Some teams finish 20 or 30 minutes before others. Calling it 24 rounds is inaccurate.
I agree with you. Was trying to get the OP to see that.

And aren't we talking about the 289th player, which should be a $1 player? I'd chalk this up to loophole and fix it moving forward. I certainly wouldn't accuse the owner of cheating or being shady.
 
Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.
It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.
 

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