Auction strategy question (1 Viewer)

[Beef Ravioli]

Any value in nominating a for sure backup (Turner/Bennet) before the starter is called out. Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should? Just trying to come up with some schemes for my first auction. Any thoughts?? Foolish??

Thanks for the help!

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Anything to get other owners confused or change their spending plan is a good thing. I think it's a great strategy. Why not. Just don't get stuck with a guy you don't want for $1.

 

[bentley]

Why would this cause someone to spend more than they should? You might be able to sneak in and get Turner for a buck because of the "change of pace" factor, but I don't see a way that it would get people to overpay.

 

[Varmint]

Oh hell no...its not foolish.

It's a great way to sniff out exactly who plans on going high for the starter...and maybe land the backup for cheap...

For example:

Throw out L. Betts (Washington)

He did a great job while Portis' mangina was flaring up last season.

Now, this year Portis is already showing sighns of a yeast buildup and Betts may be GOLD by week 3.

OK, so Portis is still a bit "radioactive" and not too many owners plan on spending a ton on him (neither should you)

Since Portis has a reduced value....so may his backup. If you don't PLAN on getting Portis, you may not PLAN to handcuff him to Betts.

Throw out Betts at $1...plan to go a bit higher...

Chances are...you may get the Redskins starting RB at a very reduced price.....

DISCLAIMER: you may not be the only shark in the pool with the same idea.....Don't bid too high or you'll feel obligated to get Portis.....

You didn't set out to get Portis and his backup for a ton of money....you set out to get the starting RB at Washington for a few bucks...

 

[Lehigh98]

Why would this cause someone to spend more than they should? You might be able to sneak in and get Turner for a buck because of the "change of pace" factor, but I don't see a way that it would get people to overpay.

If someone takes the backup, that would a good indication he wants the main man.He may also go extra hard after the main guy because wasting a spot on the backup without him would suck.May not overpay on the backup, but may overpay for the starter later.

 

[BigRed]

I think it's a great strategy. Why not. Just don't get stuck with a guy you don't want for $1.

er you just answered your own question.Yes it is foolish. Risky at best. I'm all for nominating players you don't want, but unless you're sure he'll go for at least more than min bid, it is stupid and just begging to end up w/a guy you don't want on your roster.Guys who you know will go for more are another story -

 

[bentley]

Oh hell no...its not foolish.

It's a great way to sniff out exactly who plans on going high for the starter...and maybe land the backup for cheap...

For example:

Throw out L. Betts (Washington)

He did a great job while Portis' mangina was flaring up last season.

Now, this year Portis is already showing sighns of a yeast buildup and Betts may be GOLD by week 3.

OK, so Portis is still a bit "radioactive" and not too many owners plan on spending a ton on him (neither should you)

Since Portis has a reduced value....so may his backup. If you don't PLAN on getting Portis, you may not PLAN to handcuff him to Betts.

Throw out Betts at $1...plan to go a bit higher...

Chances are...you may get the Redskins starting RB at a very reduced price.....

DISCLAIMER: you may not be the only shark in the pool with the same idea.....Don't bid too high or you'll feel obligated to get Portis.....

You didn't set out to get Portis and his backup for a ton of money....you set out to get the starting RB at Washington for a few bucks...

Isn't this the exact opposite scenario of the one proposed in the original post?

 

[Varmint]

Oh hell no...its not foolish.

It's a great way to sniff out exactly who plans on going high for the starter...and maybe land the backup for cheap...

For example:

Throw out L. Betts (Washington)

He did a great job while Portis' mangina was flaring up last season.

Now, this year Portis is already showing sighns of a yeast buildup and Betts may be GOLD by week 3.

OK, so Portis is still a bit "radioactive" and not too many owners plan on spending a ton on him (neither should you)

Since Portis has a reduced value....so may his backup. If you don't PLAN on getting Portis, you may not PLAN to handcuff him to Betts.

Throw out Betts at $1...plan to go a bit higher...

Chances are...you may get the Redskins starting RB at a very reduced price.....

DISCLAIMER: you may not be the only shark in the pool with the same idea.....Don't bid too high or you'll feel obligated to get Portis.....

You didn't set out to get Portis and his backup for a ton of money....you set out to get the starting RB at Washington for a few bucks...

Isn't this the exact opposite scenario of the one proposed in the original post?

"Any value in nominating a for sure backup (Turner/Bennet) before the starter is called out. "...uhm.....

..nope.

Oh...unless you're trying to make reference to the fact that some think that Betts will be starter before ya know it....

IF that's the case....then..

LOL

 

[bentley]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

 

[BroadwayG]

Any value in nominating a for sure backup (Turner/Bennet) before the starter is called out. Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should? Just trying to come up with some schemes for my first auction. Any thoughts?? Foolish??Thanks for the help!

Yes, but the difference will be negligible. Perhaps you're doing the guy who gets the backup a favor if everyone else won't want to bid on the starter knowing they won't be able to lock up the backup later on.Don't overthink your first time. Have fun and take some mental notes for the future.

 

[Varmint]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

It MAY work on someone who has TARGETED the starter and PLANS to handcuff his backup...Most people target a "handcuffed player" for almost next to nothing....

Backup gets introduced.....the bidding starts at $1

"Crap...I was hoping to get his backup for a buck...I'd better bid $2"

He bids $2 (already over his $1 PLANNED bid)

Next bid...$3

"Dammit...I don't want to bid $4...that's WAY over my budget. This guy must want the same starter that I wanted!!"...

He either goes high and stays with his plan...or abandons it thinking it will blow his budget...

It works for almost ANY amount he planned to bid for the backup because MOST players hope to handcuff late in the auction when everyone else is counting their pennies......

....get the picture?

 

[BroadwayG]

That $2 will throw off the entire dynamics of the auction!!!!

 

[bentley]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

It MAY work on someone who has TARGETED the starter and PLANS to handcuff his backup...Most people target a "handcuffed player" for almost next to nothing....

Backup gets introduced.....the bidding starts at $1

"Crap...I was hoping to get his backup for a buck...I'd better bid $2"

He bids $2 (already over his $1 PLANNED bid)

Next bid...$3

"Dammit...I don't want to bid $4...that's WAY over my budget. This guy must want the same starter that I wanted!!"...

He either goes high and stays with his plan...or abandons it thinking it will blow his budget...

It works for almost ANY amount he planned to bid for the backup because MOST players hope to handcuff late in the auction when everyone else is counting their pennies......

....get the picture?

Can you show me an example of where this really happened? This sounds like a story that the voices in your head made up.

 

[Varmint]

That $2 will throw off the entire dynamics of the auction!!!!

Yeah...that's it......unless someone else bids $3....

..and yes...a dollar later in the auction can mean a lot

I can recall a number of times that I wished I had an additional dollar in my cap to bid during an auction.

(I thought you said you've done this before)

 

[Varmint]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

It MAY work on someone who has TARGETED the starter and PLANS to handcuff his backup...Most people target a "handcuffed player" for almost next to nothing....

Backup gets introduced.....the bidding starts at $1

"Crap...I was hoping to get his backup for a buck...I'd better bid $2"

He bids $2 (already over his $1 PLANNED bid)

Next bid...$3

"Dammit...I don't want to bid $4...that's WAY over my budget. This guy must want the same starter that I wanted!!"...

He either goes high and stays with his plan...or abandons it thinking it will blow his budget...

It works for almost ANY amount he planned to bid for the backup because MOST players hope to handcuff late in the auction when everyone else is counting their pennies......

....get the picture?

Can you show me an example of where this really happened? This sounds like a story that the voices in your head made up.

Sure Bucky...we video tape every auction we have just in case someone wants proof of an occurance....I'll look for the tape while you send me the postage to get it to you...

 

[bentley]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

It MAY work on someone who has TARGETED the starter and PLANS to handcuff his backup...Most people target a "handcuffed player" for almost next to nothing....

Backup gets introduced.....the bidding starts at $1

"Crap...I was hoping to get his backup for a buck...I'd better bid $2"

He bids $2 (already over his $1 PLANNED bid)

Next bid...$3

"Dammit...I don't want to bid $4...that's WAY over my budget. This guy must want the same starter that I wanted!!"...

He either goes high and stays with his plan...or abandons it thinking it will blow his budget...

It works for almost ANY amount he planned to bid for the backup because MOST players hope to handcuff late in the auction when everyone else is counting their pennies......

....get the picture?

Can you show me an example of where this really happened? This sounds like a story that the voices in your head made up.

Sure Bucky...we video tape every auction we have just in case someone wants proof of an occurance....I'll look for the tape while you send me the postage to get it to you...

Sounds good. Do you take PokerStars money?I assume by your answer that you've never seen this happen.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Please keep this to the topic gentlemen. Thanks.

 

[BroadwayG]

That $2 will throw off the entire dynamics of the auction!!!!

Yeah...that's it......unless someone else bids $3....

..and yes...a dollar later in the auction can mean a lot

(I thought you said you've done this before)

If by 'mean a lot' you mean being able to sneak Peerless Price in for $2 forcing the other guy to settle for a $1 Marty Booker as his WR6, I'm in wholehearted agreement with ya.

 

[Varmint]

Did you miss the second sentence?

Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should?

I agree that it's a great way to get the backup for cheap, but I don't see how it's going to entice someone into overpaying for a handcuff to a back that they may or may not win the bidding on later?

It MAY work on someone who has TARGETED the starter and PLANS to handcuff his backup...Most people target a "handcuffed player" for almost next to nothing....

Backup gets introduced.....the bidding starts at $1

"Crap...I was hoping to get his backup for a buck...I'd better bid $2"

He bids $2 (already over his $1 PLANNED bid)

Next bid...$3

"Dammit...I don't want to bid $4...that's WAY over my budget. This guy must want the same starter that I wanted!!"...

He either goes high and stays with his plan...or abandons it thinking it will blow his budget...

It works for almost ANY amount he planned to bid for the backup because MOST players hope to handcuff late in the auction when everyone else is counting their pennies......

....get the picture?

Can you show me an example of where this really happened? This sounds like a story that the voices in your head made up.

Sure Bucky...we video tape every auction we have just in case someone wants proof of an occurance....I'll look for the tape while you send me the postage to get it to you...

Sounds good. Do you take PokerStars money?I assume by your answer that you've never seen this happen.

Have I ever seen someone bid more for a backup than planned??Absoutely....many times......

It's not like seeing a star over a manger or anything...it's an auction...

You need to understand that most people in an auction budget for positions and then bid on a player to fit the budget...

If someone has his eyes on a starter and budgets $2 for his backup...he'll need to pull that money from another position he budgeted for if he goes over that $2.

That's what makes it more than just taking the best available talent....you have to change on the fly...not just move down to the next name...

 

[Varmint]

That $2 will throw off the entire dynamics of the auction!!!!

Yeah...that's it......unless someone else bids $3....

..and yes...a dollar later in the auction can mean a lot

(I thought you said you've done this before)

If by 'mean a lot' you mean being able to sneak Peerless Price in for $2 forcing the other guy to settle for a $1 Marty Booker as his WR6, I'm in wholehearted agreement with ya.

...or be in the middle of a bidding war for a player you have coveted all off-season...and could get him...if you wouldn't have gone $1 over the amount you budgeted for at another position.....The other guys bids....and waves at you as he adds that player to his roster...

You want a player??

Bid another buck...IF you have it.

 

[bentley]

Regardless of whether the "backup" move works, another idea is to throw out the second or third best kicker or defense out there early for a buck. I've seen people end up with that player for a dollar more than once.

 

[Varmint]

Regardless of whether the "backup" move works, another idea is to throw out the second or third best kicker or defense out there early for a buck. I've seen people end up with that player for a dollar more than once.

Absolutely....or throw out the "rookie sensation"......OR....Blow your wad early on a couple of key players......Wait until everyone bids out and fills their rosters.....then, mop the floor with five or six $1 picks that just seemed to get overlooked.You can blow your cap on one or two GREAT players and fill up on regulars...You can divide your cap as evenly as possible between five or six decent players then fill up on regulars...Yep...there are a number of "strategies" one can employ in an auction.

 

[Captain Hook]

You need to understand that most people in an auction budget for positions and then bid on a player to fit the budget...

This is usually NOT the case for most players in most auctions - it may be yours, but most FF players are "hot" bidders - just reacting to the Name that has been nominated.As far as the original posters question - yes you can get people to overspend by throwing out a backup that someone will want. However you may get more if you were to nominate Turner right after Tomlinson is purchased - the guy who bought LT had hopes he could get Turner cheap later in the auction - others will want to either make him spend more to get him or want to make sure he doesn't get him and now you have a small bidding war on him.

 

[Varmint]

You need to understand that most people in an auction budget for positions and then bid on a player to fit the budget...

This is usually NOT the case for most players in most auctions - it may be yours, but most FF players are "hot" bidders - just reacting to the Name that has been nominated.

I disagree....most players I've seen have come in with a workable budget....Now, whether or not they stick to it, I'd have to agree with you there....Soon after the first bid goes out....so does their plan.

 

[Pythagoras]

Any value in nominating a for sure backup (Turner/Bennet) before the starter is called out. Could you cause someone to pay more than they really should? Just trying to come up with some schemes for my first auction. Any thoughts?? Foolish??Thanks for the help!

You don't really get people to over bid on backups early in the auction. I think the strategy, however, would likely show you which owners are determined to get the #1 guy, which might be helpful.