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Austin Seferian-Jenkins - What do you think?

mr roboto said:
He seems to be highly TD dependent though. Very low yards per reception. 
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That's true to some extent but before last night he was getting a healthy number of targets each week. He was locked into 4-5 receptions per game because McCown was feeding him. If the game had stayed close last night that likely would've happened again. Officially, he had only two targets but the TD catch that should've counted was a third and he had another catch taken away by penalty. So that's four when the game was competitive. If the game doesn't get out of hand in the second half I think he would've gotten another 3-4 targets and likely ended up with his usual 4-6 receptions.

The low YPC is a concern and I don't think that's going to change because of how he is being used. But unless the Jets start blowing people out consistently and the game script gets away from him I think most weeks ASJ will remain a low-end TE1 due to volume. Last night was just one of those nights when he got F'd by the refs (again) and the game played out in a completely unexpected way. It sucks for his fantasy totals but I'm not sure what we saw will be a trend. I think the Jets are better than most expected but I don't believe they're an offensive juggernaut that's going to start crushing teams and putting games away by halftime. 

 
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packersfan said:
Officially, he had only two targets but the TD catch that should've counted was a third and he had another catch taken away by penalty. So that's four when the game was competitive. If the game doesn't get out of hand in the second half I think he would've gotten another 3-4 targets and likely ended up with his usual 4-6 receptions.
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Yep, he actually caught 4 balls for 46 yards and a TD.  The 20-yard TD was ridiculously called PI.  He also had a 6-yd catch negated by a defensive penalty, which I thought was strange at the time ... it was 3rd-and-2, the play resulted in a 6-yard gain for the first down, yet they accepted a 5-yard penalty?  Why?

So in my league, a 4-point game could have easily been a 14.6-point game.  Not to mention the fact that I streamed McCown to cover for Brady's bye this week, so losing those two passes cost me another 7.3 points for a total of 17.9 points.  Hope it doesn't bite me in the butt.

 
TheCommish said:
Yep, he actually caught 4 balls for 46 yards and a TD.  The 20-yard TD was ridiculously called PI.  He also had a 6-yd catch negated by a defensive penalty, which I thought was strange at the time ... it was 3rd-and-2, the play resulted in a 6-yard gain for the first down, yet they accepted a 5-yard penalty?  Why?

So in my league, a 4-point game could have easily been a 14.6-point game.  Not to mention the fact that I streamed McCown to cover for Brady's bye this week, so losing those two passes cost me another 7.3 points for a total of 17.9 points.  Hope it doesn't bite me in the butt.
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Taking the penalty stopped the clock otherwise if they took the play they would've had to use a timeout. I didn't get it at first either but it makes sense. Sucks for ASJ owners but it makes sense. 

 
Just another note... the last game Eric Tomlinson out-snapped ASJ 45-44, which hurts his floor. Before you knew ASJ was a target hog but with this development, the rise of Robby Anderson and the renewed run game, ASJ is dropping into low TE1-high TE2 territory. Yes, he had 2 TDs robbed of him but he's going to get RZ looks; it's the days of him leading the Jets in targets that seem done.

 
The Frankman said:
Just another note... the last game Eric Tomlinson out-snapped ASJ 45-44, which hurts his floor. Before you knew ASJ was a target hog but with this development, the rise of Robby Anderson and the renewed run game, ASJ is dropping into low TE1-high TE2 territory. Yes, he had 2 TDs robbed of him but he's going to get RZ looks; it's the days of him leading the Jets in targets that seem done.
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Tomlinson is the blocking TE, which IMO is indicative of game script here.  Plus they were having success running the ball.

Even with all of that, ASJ should've had 3 catches, 30-40 yards, and a TD.  In PPR, you'll take it.

Moving forward, sounds like Forte is out this week, which may or may not open up more opportunities for ASJ.  I'm also curious to see if the Jets can maintain positive game script.  They consistently got pressure on Tyrod without blitzing, and while they have a talented DL, I'm not sure that holds every week.

Another factor for dynasty leagues ... ASJ is a FA after this year.  You have to assume he picks a situation that's very promising for his future.  Green Bay?  Dallas?

 
MNTom said:
Tampa is surprisingly good against opposing TE’s.
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The most receiving yards by a TE against the Buccaneers this season is 62, and they have allowed only three tight ends to reach double-digit fantasy points. They have allowed the fifth-fewest fantasy points to opposing TEs this season, and ASJ is averaging 6.7 yards per catch, the lowest rate among qualified TEs.
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TB gets Brent Grimes back which could funnel targets his way, but in the run 'n shoot variation the Jets are running he's getting alot of bad luck so far lately, plus he's not playing an abnormally large amount of snaps anymore (expected since the other TEs are healthy now).

 
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ASJ has been gold off the waiver wire for me but i have to decide if i can ride him for the rest of the season.  I'm thinking about putting a deal together for ertz that would cost me dynasty wise but obviously improve my chances this year

 
NREC34 said:
For the third time this year I watched this guy get robbed of a TD. Frustrating.
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It was the right call - not robbed. He did the robbing of his team and fantasy owners by dropping a gimme TD in the first half. That one was brutal.

 
That wasn't even close to the right call. Come on now... I watched the game and there was no clear overwhelming evidence that wasn't a TD. His hands were on the football with control the whole time. The ball moves up after he slid a few feet because his hands moved up.

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Austin Seferian-Jenkins corralled two-of-seven targets for 27 yards Sunday in the Jets’ Week 12 loss to the Panthers.

Seferian-Jenkins may not sleep well tonight. ASJ had his paws on what should have been a 13-yard touchdown in the first quarter, but let it fall through his fingertips. That was his first drop of the season. Later it appeared Seferian-Jenkins had scored a one-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter but replay showed that he may have bobbled it, which resulted in the play being overturned. It’s the second time this year ASJ has been stripped of a touchdown on review following a similar play versus the Patriots in Week 6. He’s now been held under 30 yards in five of his last six games and hasn’t scored a touchdown since Week 7. Seferian-Jenkins will try to put Sunday’s disappointment behind him next week against Kansas City.
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The Frankman said:
That wasn't even close to the right call. Come on now... I watched the game and there was no clear overwhelming evidence that wasn't a TD. His hands were on the football with control the whole time. The ball moves up after he slid a few feet because his hands moved up.
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Not sure what you saw but it was clearly not under his control at one point.

 
I was under the impression that overturns had to be made if there was clear and irrefutable evidence to support it. There is no way that's happened with ASJ three separate times now. If you want to argue that technically the rule was applied properly or what have you then the call on the field should've been an incomplete pass. I'm sorry you can't call that a TD and say the only way you'll overturn it is if there is clear and irrefutable evidence and then overturn without meeting that criteria.

It's just remarkable how this has now happened to him so many times. 

 
packersfan said:
I was under the impression that overturns had to be made if there was clear and irrefutable evidence to support it. There is no way that's happened with ASJ three separate times now. If you want to argue that technically the rule was applied properly or what have you then the call on the field should've been an incomplete pass. I'm sorry you can't call that a TD and say the only way you'll overturn it is if there is clear and irrefutable evidence and then overturn without meeting that criteria.

It's just remarkable how this has now happened to him so many times. 
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I guess if he learned to catch, it wouldn't keep being an issue.

 
packersfan said:
Had a third TD taken away from him on a completely ridiculous PI call vs. the Bills. 

It's like he's cursed. 
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It funny because you saw the reffing crew in the GB/PIT game call that sideline catch on Antonio Brown the complete opposite of what's been happening with ASJ. The refs literally looked at each other for 7 seconds and said "Eff it it's a catch" and on replay let it stand. With ASJ he's had balls that looked like obvious TDs get overturned with no clear and convincing evidence. What makes it worse is the call in the Bills game I mentioned in the game thread and that he's dropped 2 TDs this year. I guess the goods thing is at least he's handling it professionally (the Pats game he understandably lost it).

 
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The Frankman said:
It funny because you saw the reffing crew in the GB/PIT game call that sideline catch on Antonio Brown the complete opposite of what's been happening with ASJ. The refs literally looked at each other for 7 seconds and said "Eff it it's a catch" and on replay let it stand. With ASJ he's had balls that looked like obvious TDs get overturned with no clear and convincing evidence. What makes it worse is the call in the Bills game I mentioned in the game thread and that he's dropped 2 TDs this year. I guess the goods thing is at least he's handling it professionally (the Pats game he understandably lost it).
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This is what slays me. You just cannot say yesterday's play and the Patriots' play had clear and convincing evidence on replay to overturn the calls on the field. It simply isn't true. And in both cases, the Jets' potential to win was significantly impacted. The NFL has got to figure this out. You can't put in a rule and then blatantly ignore them numerous times over. 

 
packersfan said:
I was under the impression that overturns had to be made if there was clear and irrefutable evidence to support it. There is no way that's happened with ASJ three separate times now. If you want to argue that technically the rule was applied properly or what have you then the call on the field should've been an incomplete pass. I'm sorry you can't call that a TD and say the only way you'll overturn it is if there is clear and irrefutable evidence and then overturn without meeting that criteria.

It's just remarkable how this has now happened to him so many times. 
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One of the 3 I’m counting was a ticky tack penalty call that didn’t affect anything about the play. Long pass he caught in the endzone. 

Can’t remember who it was against. 

 
NREC34 said:
One of the 3 I’m counting was a ticky tack penalty call that didn’t affect anything about the play. Long pass he caught in the endzone. 

Can’t remember who it was against. 
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Buffalo. Absolute joke of a PI call against him. He barely touched the guy. That's 3 TDs he should have had that the refs took from him this season. 

 
He absolutely lost control of that TD yesterday.  The problem is the rule, it's dumb.  If the runner gets a TD the moment the ball crosses the goal line and after that it doesn't matter what happens after that then why doesn't the WR get the TD the moment he establishes initial control and it doesn't matter what happens after that?  Totally ignorant rule.

 
I hate this guy. Had Burton ready to pick up this week and said no I'm thinking like a homer. Go with the matchup. 

 
Almost every TE streamer but Burtin was a loser this week. However ASJ seems to have been overlooked anyway as the Jets WR game has developed. Of course today was a disaster for the Jets all around.

 
The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports the Jets "haven't budged" from their initial two-year, $8 million offer to free agent Austin Seferian-Jenkins.

Seferian-Jenkins has already turned down the offer, meaning he is certain to hit the market later today. The tight end averaged an inefficient 7.1 yards per catch in 2017, but he is still just 25, has his life off the field in order, and has the talent to take a big step forward. It would not be surprising if he does better than the Jets' offer on the open market. The Falcons are reportedly "very interested."

Related: Jets, Falcons

Source: Connor Hughes on Twitter 

Mar 12 - 11:14 AM
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So I am hoping to see this guy take another step forward. I was thinking staying as the #1 in NY would be the most logical way to do that, particularly if the Jets can get a good starting QB. But the Falcons seem like a terrible fit for fantasy unless he completely takes Hooper out of the picture. IDK maybe Falcons would be a good spot? Anyone?

 
barackdhouse said:
So I am hoping to see this guy take another step forward. I was thinking staying as the #1 in NY would be the most logical way to do that, particularly if the Jets can get a good starting QB. But the Falcons seem like a terrible fit for fantasy unless he completely takes Hooper out of the picture. IDK maybe Falcons would be a good spot? Anyone?
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I am not optimistic if he stays in NY so change would be good.  But it all depends on whether he goes somewhere as the #1 TE or not.

 
NFL.com's Mike Garofolo reports the Saints are interested in free agent Austin Seferian-Jenkins after missing out on Jimmy Graham.

The Saints have a huge hole at tight end, and ASJ is arguably the best one remaining. Perhaps they will also put in a call to Tyler Eifert. ASJ is a strange case, as he displayed sure hands in his comeback 2017 but offered nothing after the catch.

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Source: Bob Condotta on Twitter 

Mar 13 - 4:35 PM
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Seems like a great fit and an ideal landing spot for fantasy purposes.  Don't really get why his YAC was so pathetic last year.  He ran a 4.56 (source other than combine) in 2014.  Even if he lost a step and if those numbers were a little inflated, he should still be pretty fast for a 260+ lb guy.  Kelce is a little smaller and he ran a 4.61, so even if ASJ is now a 4.65, he still could be a force.

Measurables are solid - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/austin-seferianjenkins

Hoping the low YPC was an outlier.  If he ends up in NO with Brees and on the fast track, he may break out into a weekly TE1.

 
I'm not sure he cares about football that much. I was a big supporter of his coming out of the draft and I was still pushing him this year even after all the trouble off the field. I saw glimpses early in his career of the beast he could be but last year I saw next to nothing on the field that made me get excited. Maybe going to the saints will help but I'm not betting in him anymore until I see something I like on the field. 

 
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Oh man what I saw last year was a guy getting led into defenders all day. But he made the catches anyway. There was no room for YAC. It was his QBs fault.

He also should have had two more TDs but for the insane catch rule nonsense. With the Saints I think the sky is the limit. By all accounts he cleaned his act, grew up, hit the weight room hard and played hard all year. The Jets offense just sucked.

 
Free agent Austin Seferian-Jenkins is visiting the Seahawks.

ESPN's Josina Anderson reports the Jaguars will also host ASJ on a visit. Seferian-Jenkins was born and raised in Washington and played his college ball for the Huskies. After losing Jimmy Graham to the Packers and Luke Willson also a free agent, tight end is a huge need for the Seahawks. The Falcons and Saints have also been linked to Seferian-Jenkins this week.

Related: Jaguars, Seahawks

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Mar 14 - 1:02 PM
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Barf. I suppose he'll get targets. In a run first grind it out offense that has a solid defense backing them up. I was really hoping the Saints would snag him. In the spots I own him he is either my TE2 or TE3. But I'll probably be looking for someone else to fill those roles now.

 
az_prof said:
This is not great news. When has a Jags TE been a top TE? 
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When have the Jags had a TE with any level of talent that stayed on the field at all?

I'm actually pretty pleased with this.  Bortles seemed to want to lock onto TE's at times but they were so bad he just couldn't.  Marcedes freaking Lewis got 48 targets last year.

 
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