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Austria and Germany Welcome Thousands of Refugees (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
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It' puts our nation to shame. They have tons less space, tons less economy, and they're welcoming people in while we're talking about putting up walls to keep people out.
We ought to send them the Statue of Liberty; we don't deserve it any longer.
We ought to send them the Statue of Liberty; we don't deserve it any longer.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Not really. There is absolutely nothing wrong with expecting people to follow the laws.
Flying V
Footballguy
Seems like Orban's rhetoric is similar to Trump's:
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that his country does not want to take in large numbers of Muslims, in defence of Hungary's response to the surge in refugees trying to enter the country.
"I think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country," Orban told journalists outside the EU headquarters at Brussels.
"We do not like the consequences," he said, referring to the country's 150-year history of Ottoman rule during the 16th and 17th centuries.
Orban said those fleeing conflict in countries such as Syria should not try to cross into Hungary, as he defended the country's decision to erect a fence along its border.
"Please don't come... It's risky to come. We can't guarantee that you will be accepted," Orban said in Brussels, adding that it would not be humane or morally right to "falsify" people's dreams
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that his country does not want to take in large numbers of Muslims, in defence of Hungary's response to the surge in refugees trying to enter the country.
"I think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country," Orban told journalists outside the EU headquarters at Brussels.
"We do not like the consequences," he said, referring to the country's 150-year history of Ottoman rule during the 16th and 17th centuries.
Orban said those fleeing conflict in countries such as Syria should not try to cross into Hungary, as he defended the country's decision to erect a fence along its border.
"Please don't come... It's risky to come. We can't guarantee that you will be accepted," Orban said in Brussels, adding that it would not be humane or morally right to "falsify" people's dreams
jonessed
Footballguy
Refugees aren't the same as illegal immigrants.
We legally resettle tens of thousands of refugees every year.
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BeaverCleaver
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John Bender
Footballguy
Why? There's no shame to be felt at all due to this news story. We live in a great country with very liberal laws for both legal immigration and illegal immigrants found here. I hope we keep it up. Are you serious with this?
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Fennis
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
To be fair, they're also loading people onto trains, lying to them about where they're going, and writing numbers on their arms in indelible ink right now in Europe. It hasn't been quite as... Non-1940s as it probably should be.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
people do what they know.
squistion
Footballguy
Super King
Footballguy
Hungarians don't like/trust Muslims. Seriously. They don't. Europeans sense of history is way deeper than us in the States.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Literally the dumbest post in not only the history of Footballguys----including Old Yeller and Cheatsheet days. .......
Congrats Tim---way to keep lowering the bar for yourself.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Always nice to be the recipient of such love around here. Hope you guys are all having a great weekend.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
You are clueless and always will be and yes.....I'm having a great weekend.
Now....stay in your thread. TIA
squistion
Footballguy
They used to have an annual BBQ but some hoods and sheets caught fire last year, so I hear it is less flammable attire for this Labor Day event.
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Mr. Soup Nazi
Footballguy
You started it. You claimed this story somehow is shameful to our country. When, in fact, it isn't. You don't get to make insults out of your ignorance and then play the victim. Come back on here, man up, and apologize, because as has been pointed out, you are way off base.
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BeaverCleaver
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
You know your constant running down of the country that affords you the ability to post the stuff you do is embarrassing.
I think you have a good heart and are a good person, but your white guilt and frankly naïve approach to things is just terrible Tim.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't feel guilty at all, white or otherwise. I believe the USA is the greatest country ever to exist, far greater than ####### Germany. But right now, in this particular instance, they're behaving the way we should behave. We're the ones who should be taking these refugees in, and not just them but all the world's refugees. And all of the legal and illegal immigrants too. That's what we're supposed to be about. That was the point of my post and I stand by it and certainly won't apologize for it.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Underachievers
Footballguy
About time to get over stereotyping the German people also. What happened in WW2 was before most Germans were even born. It's as lame as blaming today's white Americans for slavery.
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Rayderr
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U.S. Refugee Admissions Program FAQs
Fact SheetBureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
Washington, DC
May 31, 2013
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Every year, the United States provides resettlement opportunities to thousands of the world's most vulnerable refugees, in a program endorsed by the President (and every President since 1980) through an annual determination. The U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), which resettled over 58,000 refugees in the United States in 2012, reflects our own tradition as a nation of immigrants and refugees. It is an important, enduring and ongoing expression of our commitment to international humanitarian principles. The United States remains the largest resettlement country in the world, receiving more than half of all refugees resettled worldwide each year through the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).
The Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) is committed to improving the effectiveness of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, and regularly assesses refugee populations worldwide to ensure that the program is responsive to the resettlement needs of the most vulnerable among them that require this solution.
I am guessing over the last few decades the U.S. Has taken in far more refugees than Austria and Germany. There are still many European countries not taking in any of these. You seem to be mistaken campaign rhetoric with actual policy. The US has nothing to be ashamed about, and your over the top rhetoric lately has been horrible. Stop listening to the far leftist radio/TV, it seems to really impact your mind. You suck at being a Moderate almost as bad as you did as a libertarian. You are better than this and can post some thoughtful stuff at times.
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Apple Jack
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sbonomo
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MaxThreshold
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timschochet
Footballguy
Nope. I like Squisition, but I don't agree with his implication here. I feel very strongly about immigration, illegal immigration, and refugee issues, obviously, (to me they're pretty much all one and the same) but I don't regard those who disagree with me on this as racist. Some are, but very few of them in this forum. You guys aren't bad people, you're just very wrong on these issues.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Yeah... The U.S. takes in a huge number of refugees. And other immigrants. I don't know what the solution is, but "just let in everyone" isn't it. Obviously during a humanitarian crisis I expect every country to take people in, but the U.S. doesn't need to be ashamed of its current immigration policies as a result of what "Europe" is doing during this one.
U.S. Refugee Admissions Program FAQs
Fact Sheet
Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
Washington, DC
May 31, 2013
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Every year, the United States provides resettlement opportunities to thousands of the world's most vulnerable refugees, in a program endorsed by the President (and every President since 1980) through an annual determination. The U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), which resettled over 58,000 refugees in the United States in 2012, reflects our own tradition as a nation of immigrants and refugees. It is an important, enduring and ongoing expression of our commitment to international humanitarian principles. The United States remains the largest resettlement country in the world, receiving more than half of all refugees resettled worldwide each year through the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).
The Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) is committed to improving the effectiveness of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, and regularly assesses refugee populations worldwide to ensure that the program is responsive to the resettlement needs of the most vulnerable among them that require this solution.
I don't think I ever stated a position on immigration. I am much closer to an open boarders guy than a fense guy.Nope. I like Squisition, but I don't agree with his implication here. I feel very strongly about immigration, illegal immigration, and refugee issues, obviously, (to me they're pretty much all one and the same) but I don't regard those who disagree with me on this as racist. Some are, but very few of them in this forum. You guys aren't bad people, you're just very wrong on these issues.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I would be satisfied if we took in 65,000. That's 50% of the number the UN estimates need to be relocated. Per Meet the Press, so far we have only taken in a few thousand.
We should also pressure Saudi Arabia and the UAE to take in some. So far they have accepted exactly zero refugees. That, by the way, is nothing new: in the aftermath of the 1948 war, while Israel struggled with the burden of accepting millions of Jewish refugees (not one of which was turned away) the Arab states all shut their doors to the Palestinians.
We should also pressure Saudi Arabia and the UAE to take in some. So far they have accepted exactly zero refugees. That, by the way, is nothing new: in the aftermath of the 1948 war, while Israel struggled with the burden of accepting millions of Jewish refugees (not one of which was turned away) the Arab states all shut their doors to the Palestinians.
timschochet
Footballguy
You really enjoy using words like clueless a lot. Is it clueless to think that building a wall on our southern border is a terrible symbol and antithetical to what we stand for? I don't think so.
Koya
Footballguy
Is it wrong to ask that people have a little more heart and caring?
Even if you believe that there should be no amnesty for those who came here illegally, is it that much to not see from almost everyone supporting your side of the equation just a lack of empathy and humanity? Regardless the best solution.
More important, and accentuating the point above, this is a thread about helping refugees - no one said they are sneaking HERE illegally. Why would you even jump to our illegal immigration issue rather than focus on the sad plight of these men, women and children?
Or, maybe it's just because my first point is sadly all the more true. God it's ####### depressing to see how so many (here, facebook, family outings) just don't seem to care about these people as HUMAN, regardless of what they feel an appropriate legal solution may be.
And before anyone goes into some "get off the high moral ground" bull####, I hardly think its "high ground" to just have some more decency, thoughtfulness and humanity when discussing actual people. And not only that, but generally harder working, brave, family oriented and selfless people at that. Regardless where they are from, or how they got here - or what you feel we should do with them at this point from a legal and practical standpoint.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
So, here we are demonizing the opposition again. Because I don't believe - like you - that we should throw open our borders and let everyone in no questions asked then I'm somehow uncaring AND racist.
There is a difference between taking in refugees and illegal immigration. In fact, why don't you open the doors to your own home right now and take some of them in if you're so concerned? Oh, that's right, you want them in somebody else's neighborhood - just not yours. You just like to talk about "caring" and having a "heart".
And Tim brought up the illegal immigration issue, not me. Direct your ire at him. My post was just a response to his.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Max whether or not we take in illegals or refugees, nobody is being asked to have them in their homes. I wish you and others would stop using that terrible analogy.
We have plenty of room in this country. And I'd love to have these refugees in my neighborhood. I live in Westminster CA, and exactly 40 years ago we took in many of the Vietnamese refugees who fled the Communists. Today our Vietnamese community, known as Little Saigon, is thriving and a boon to our economy and culture. I don't know where you live, but you should try it.
We have plenty of room in this country. And I'd love to have these refugees in my neighborhood. I live in Westminster CA, and exactly 40 years ago we took in many of the Vietnamese refugees who fled the Communists. Today our Vietnamese community, known as Little Saigon, is thriving and a boon to our economy and culture. I don't know where you live, but you should try it.
Koya
Footballguy
Not demonizing anything. It just seems at every turn that the approach is uncaring, inhuman or distancing ourselves from the humanity of the situation. It often feels rooted in selfish, if not self serving ideals and ideology.MaxThreshold said:
At this point it's worn on me too long. We have a ####### entire political party that seems dedicated to this uncaring, selfish and hypocritically unpatriotic approach and honestly, I've just had damn enough and not pulling punches.
If I cast too wide a net, I'll be glad to apologize. But when you go straight to the "well, why don't you have one in your home? eh? EH???" response, it's hard to see a legitimate effort on your part to actually express something that would have me apologize.
That said, today I reached out to the UJA asking what they as an organization was doing, and how I might be able to help. What have you done other than ask for policies that would seem to just do more harm to people than is already being done?
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
It's an easy analogy because people like you are always so willing to open everyone else's doors except your own. They have to go somewhere, right? Just not by you.
And I don't see how asking people to follow the laws, rules and regulations of the country they want to come to is harmful. I do not accept your statement that those policies are harmful. I do believe your type of thinking (open the doors let everyone in no questions asked) is harmful to this country in the long run.
I'm ALL for helping people if they need it. But because I advocate following the rules does not make me less caring than you.
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Short Corner
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Koya
Footballguy
You apparently have no idea what my "type of thinking" is. Because it's nothing as you claim.
As I've stated before, here and in other threads, red herrings are another thing that get me. Let's distract from the actual policy discussion, or the real issue / problem. IMO, that is what it feels like when you bring up "oh you are so willing to have others do something why don't you" - it's a shallow argument. We are talking policy and what we, as a nation, with out national infrastructure, needs to do. To equate that to "oh just let them live in your house" shows a laziness and/or lack of depth and a complete lack of nuance and context.
But why bother with things as important as the nuance and context which allows everything to make at least a bit of sense?
I'd go into what my personal opinions on policy are, but as you seem more interested in red herrings and distractions rather than proposing legitimate, thought out solutions (and if they came with even an ounce of humanity, all the better), I'll save the effort.
the moops
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
TLEF316 said:
Get a load of this guy.
