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You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:
Ayn Rand- How is This Still a Thing?
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Ayn Rand- How is This Still a Thing?
Jack White
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John Oliver is a liberal ninny. Of course he hates Ayn Rand.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:
Ayn Rand- How is This Still a Thing?
Henry Ford
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Almost everyone with a basic understanding of psychology and economics hates Ayn Rand.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
SaintsInDome2006
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How is her first name pronounced?
Is it like "Ann" like normal?
Or more like "AIN" like rain/rain/train?
Is it like "Ann" like normal?
Or more like "AIN" like rain/rain/train?
Henry Ford
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Mr. Retukes
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Ayn like ein.
Mr. Pickles
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Easy, Beej.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
rockaction
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I thought you'd reserved all your hatred for rapists. This makes sense.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
Jack White
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Who are the economists that have given you your basic understanding? Krugman?You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
Dan Lambskin
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Jack White
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rockaction
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Plenty of geniuses in the world without degrees.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:Jack White said:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."Henry Ford said:
NCCommish
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So no degree in economics I take it.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."Jack White said:
rockaction
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I'll give her mine. It's only rightly used when one has just flushed somewhere. She can have it posthumously.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
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TobiasFunke
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I'm sure she'd appreciate your charity and generosity while pretending not to.You might also enjoy this bit from Last Week with John Oliver if you haven't seen it yet:"...the patron saint of people who don't tip."
rockaction
Footballguy
You're forgetting that's it's a selfish act of mine. I don't care about the degree, and even though she was good friends with Hazlitt and von Mises, who both complimented her, she'd know I was doing it for my own reasons relating to prerequisites for genius on an obscure thread somewhere on a fantasy football website.
Really, she can have it. It's a selfish act of mine to give it to her.
rockaction
Footballguy
In all seriousness, I've read both everything Rand and Rousseau ever wrote at one point in my life, though I forget (and never understood) a lot of it. She's not as stupid nor ignorant as people are painting her in this thread. She was a force in 1950's America, and for that, I'm grateful.
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TobiasFunke
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I was forgetting that. Deep. Apparently I have to revisit her work. Hopefully that doesn't mean I also need refreshers on ska music and handjobs.
rockaction
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Listened to tons of ska music while reading Ayn's word. You've pretty much nailed that it was undergrad and for some dumb "thesis" that nobody but the poor professor would ever have to read. But you're wrong about the hand jobs. Total non-starter on that end, even WITH the conservative girlfriend.
timschochet
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Actually she reached the height of her influence in the 1960s. But I'm inclined to agree with you.
TobiasFunke
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That was from the Last Week bit I linked above. Although I liked the Super Sweet Sixteen comparison a bit more.Listened to tons of ska music while reading Ayn's word. You've pretty much nailed that it was undergrad and for some dumb "thesis" that nobody but the poor professor would ever have to read. But you're wrong about the hand jobs. Total non-starter on that end, even WITH the conservative girlfriend.
rockaction
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Now I've got to watch it. But I already had. How did I forget? Oh yeah, ask me something about Rand's philosophy, that'll clear up how I forgot.That was from the Last Week bit I linked above. Although I liked the Super Sweet Sixteen comparison a bit more.Listened to tons of ska music while reading Ayn's word. You've pretty much nailed that it was undergrad and for some dumb "thesis" that nobody but the poor professor would ever have to read. But you're wrong about the hand jobs. Total non-starter on that end, even WITH the conservative girlfriend.
timschochet
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NC, your comment about Rand having no economics degree is beneath you. Especially when her main economic ideas were basically in line with Ludwig Von Mises, FE Hayek, and Milton Freidman, among others. We're talking about some pretty brilliant people here.
It's also of note that Alan Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand's protégés and a close personal friend.
It's also of note that Alan Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand's protégés and a close personal friend.
cstu
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Gates actually made something while Rand was ####ed in the head and could only blather on for hundreds of pages about how great it is to be a sociopath.
dparker713
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cstu
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Rand took the worst parts of Nietzsche and treated it like she came up with something original.
Sabertooth
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Didn't she also accept state assistance before she died? Seems like she was just pretty much full of #### like any other cult leader.
timschochet
Footballguy
Easy to rip her for s million reasons and you guys seem to have a lot of fun with it.
One aspect of her fiction which I really enjoyed was the struggle between the competent people and the incompetent. I've never understood why so many people who don't know anything about stuff are allowed to #### things up in practically every walk of life. Rand attempts to shed light on this.
One aspect of her fiction which I really enjoyed was the struggle between the competent people and the incompetent. I've never understood why so many people who don't know anything about stuff are allowed to #### things up in practically every walk of life. Rand attempts to shed light on this.
pantagrapher
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Funny, her beloved capitalism rewards plenty of incompetent people completely out of proportion.
Jack White
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No, it is not.
Just about everything you have that's good in your life was made available to you because of capitalism.
And never forget that the state has no resources of its own; everything it has is taken by force from the productive class: capitalists, entrepreneurs and workers who voluntarily trade their labor for compensation.
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Jack White
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Sure, because people who advocate liberty and voluntary, mutually beneficial exchange are sociopaths.
Perhaps you need to read Hayek's The Road To Serfdom, particularly Chaper 10, "Why the Worst Get on Top."
Go ahead, I dare you.
P.S. Rand did actually make things, including a famous book that has sold over seven million copies. What have you produced in your life that people will voluntarily exchange their resources for?
dparker713
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rockaction
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I find it funny how people hate her so much. She certainly didn't advocate the gulag. I mean, she escaped it and her worldview was then shaped by what she had witnessed and escaped.
I remember finding Anthem her most palatable work, until I read Zamyatin's We. But the Ayn Rand hate is predictably strong among religionists and collectivists, the two things she detested more than anything in the world.
If one subscribes to think that nothing in life is richer than defining one's self by one's enemies, her life's work was a success.
I remember finding Anthem her most palatable work, until I read Zamyatin's We. But the Ayn Rand hate is predictably strong among religionists and collectivists, the two things she detested more than anything in the world.
If one subscribes to think that nothing in life is richer than defining one's self by one's enemies, her life's work was a success.
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pantagrapher
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Yeah it's so silly that people hate someone who they believe influences the powerful yet feeble-minded to adopt a destructive worldview!
dparker713
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Well, it's wrong because what you wrote is false. Not true. Lacking in nuance and genuine understanding/intellect.
rockaction
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I think the hatred for 20th century figures other than her is implied in my comment. Hey, if you've got enough to go around, go ahead, but I think you're mistaken. I don't think anybody who reads a lot of Rand and understands is generally feeble-minded. Doctrinaire, maybe. Dogmatic, possibly. But not feeble-minded.
And that Ayn Rand now influences the powerful is almost laughable (not your point, but the situation) to anyone familiar with collectivism and its intellectual impregnability in the '50s and '60s within academic and political circles.
Jack White
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And your saying "it's wrong because I say so" is a nuanced and intellectual response?
Laughable.
Yes, there is some Rand derangement syndrome going on.
There are a zillion legitimate criticisms to level at Rand. Why do so many people reach for spurious ones instead?
cstu
Footballguy
I read the chapter - if the goal was to turn me off on totalitarianism, a little late for that. However, I found this interesting:
This is true and why I'm against demonization the '1%'. Making money is great - people should be encouraged to do as well as they can financially and we should celebrate their success. We should also tax those who can most afford it to enable others to follow in their path to success.
By the way, L. Ron Hubbard also wrote and sold millions of books.
Jack White
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You openly admit to favoring totalitarianism. See, now I can respect that.
I don't know much about Hubbard, so I don't have an opinion on him. But I will point out that no one was forced to buy his books. Individuals voluntarily traded their money for his books. That is, they valued his books more than the money they exchanged for them. That is a win-win exchange.
cstu
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I actually agree with Rand on many things but unfortunately she's a extremist, no wonder that her black and white ideas appeal to teenagers.
The first two I agree wholeheartedly. It's the last two where she lacks nuance and understanding of what it takes for a healthy society to function. Self-interest and capitalism have their place, but if you want to benefit from a society to achieve success then the society has a right to tax a reasonable amount of your success for its continued existence. If someone doesn't like that they have every right to move to a country where the wealthy don't care if the poor die starving in the streets.
