Banks on Jets Draft Strategy (1 Viewer)

[womb]

Among many other things regarding the recent trades and upcoming draft Don Banks mentions:

"...No. 6 Jets are calibrating every potential move they make with the No. 7 Patriots in mind. These two really don't like each other, and it's not even close to being hype in this case. Under no scenario does New York want to see Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan make it to New England's slot, because Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum and head coach Eric Mangini know the Patriots will promptly put their draft slot up for auction and reap a bounty of picks from some quarterback-needy team.

The Jets have even gone so far as to talk with the No. 8 Ravens about what it would cost them to trade up to sixth for Ryan. Anything to keep the Patriots from hitting the jackpot. Hearing that, it kind of leads one to believe the Jets have decided to pass on Ryan, even though they reportedly love him. Then again, they could anticipate having multiple options that they like -- Chris Long or Darren McFadden among them -- and wanted to see how much the Ravens would give up to get their franchise quarterback."

Now I understand everything about hatred and destroying rivals, but with the 6th pick in the draft I assume one would address their own needs as oppposed to trying to blow the rivals. It is not like the Jets are the most complete team in the NFL.

This rumor also tells me, if true, Jets are almost confident Ryan will be there at #6, and that they will not draft him and if they did trade down to #8, forcing Baltimore to pick Ryan, they are also confident the guy left at #7 is not as valuable for Patriots to trade and that their guy will still be on the board at #8. I am really intrigued at how they would come up with it.

Please do not turn this into a Patriots love/hate thread. If I inadvertantly started such a thing, mods please delete the thread.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Sounds like a stupid rationale to me too.

 

[Reaper]

Ridiculous....

I have a lot of confidence in this regime expecially compared to the Jets Draft history and the guys that ran the draft before them... I don't always feel that way.

I think they do a great job of smoke screens and disinformation and so far there's only 1 draft pick that I hated and that was Schlegel.... Even D'Brick can't be looked at as a stupid pick....

Last year they hit an absolute Homerun on 2 players few if any picked them targeting.

Personally I feel the same way I felt about the D'brick Draft in that I don't love any player staring at them right now - Each one has faults and or potential mismatch with the 3-4 - But, between Gholston and Mcfadden, those are some rare athletes and some real potential excitment so, I can't boo those picks... I'd want to trade down if possible.

One theory I have is Most of this is a smokescreen because the Jets DO NOT want Mcfadden and they fear Radio City becoming a riot scene if/when they pass on him so, they're drumming up all they can to see if anyone bites on Mcfadden earlier.

 

[Ned]

this stuff is ridiculous

 

[FUBAR]

Sounds like a smart plan. Make sure you trade back behind a team you're trying to screw.

I'll buy into Reaper's theory, they don't want McFadden, but don't want to deal with the fans ala Ricky Williams and Philly.

 

[massraider]

Does Peter King mind Don Banks stealing his stuff?

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Does Peter King mind Don Banks stealing his stuff?

He can live with it as there is neither any coffee nor girl's lacrosse team info. His turf is safe.

 

[twitch]

I hear where Banks is coming from, but its really a moot point. The Jets are going to get the most value out of the 6th pick they possibly can without regard to whatever NE does, imo. If that means taking the best player on their board for their own, they'll do that. If it means drafting the best player, holding him hostage, and trading him away to another team for value, they'll do that. If it means trading down a few slots and acquiring additional picks to gain value, they'll do that.

Theyre fully aware of how NE operates on draft day, and theyve probably learned a little something from them over the years. But it shouldnt factor in to how they actually run this particular draft. Besides drafting players of course that will give them a better chance to compete with them on Sundays.

These guys just love expressing these opinions that get us NY and NE fans throwing spears at one another. Let's just call a truce already.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

 

[massraider]

I hear where Banks is coming from, but its really a moot point. The Jets are going to get the most value out of the 6th pick they possibly can without regard to whatever NE does, imo. If that means taking the best player on their board for their own, they'll do that. If it means drafting the best player, holding him hostage, and trading him away to another team for value, they'll do that. If it means trading down a few slots and acquiring additional picks to gain value, they'll do that. Theyre fully aware of how NE operates on draft day, and theyve probably learned a little something from them over the years. But it shouldnt factor in to how they actually run this particular draft. Besides drafting players of course that will give them a better chance to compete with them on Sundays. These guys just love expressing these opinions that get us NY and NE fans throwing spears at one another. Let's just call a truce already.

Are you kidding? A true divisional hatred is a beautiful thing. Cherish these moments.

 

[AB in DC]

I understand what Banks is saying, but if there are teams that will give up some good picks to move up and take Ryan, the Jets would be foolish not to get in on the action -- whoever happens to be picking right below them.

 

[twitch]

I hear where Banks is coming from, but its really a moot point. The Jets are going to get the most value out of the 6th pick they possibly can without regard to whatever NE does, imo. If that means taking the best player on their board for their own, they'll do that. If it means drafting the best player, holding him hostage, and trading him away to another team for value, they'll do that. If it means trading down a few slots and acquiring additional picks to gain value, they'll do that. Theyre fully aware of how NE operates on draft day, and theyve probably learned a little something from them over the years. But it shouldnt factor in to how they actually run this particular draft. Besides drafting players of course that will give them a better chance to compete with them on Sundays. These guys just love expressing these opinions that get us NY and NE fans throwing spears at one another. Let's just call a truce already.

Are you kidding? A true divisional hatred is a beautiful thing. Cherish these moments.

I hear ya. Call me crazy. Im just not big on hatred. Its just not necessary.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

I hear where Banks is coming from, but its really a moot point. The Jets are going to get the most value out of the 6th pick they possibly can without regard to whatever NE does, imo. If that means taking the best player on their board for their own, they'll do that. If it means drafting the best player, holding him hostage, and trading him away to another team for value, they'll do that. If it means trading down a few slots and acquiring additional picks to gain value, they'll do that. Theyre fully aware of how NE operates on draft day, and theyve probably learned a little something from them over the years. But it shouldnt factor in to how they actually run this particular draft. Besides drafting players of course that will give them a better chance to compete with them on Sundays. These guys just love expressing these opinions that get us NY and NE fans throwing spears at one another. Let's just call a truce already.

Are you kidding? A true divisional hatred is a beautiful thing. Cherish these moments.

I hear ya. Call me crazy. Im just not big on hatred. Its just not necessary.

Sympathy for the Devil, eh?

 

[David Yudkin]

If NE could reap a bounty by trading their pick, why couldn't the Jets do the same thing?

 

[twitch]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

SD did it a few years ago when they picked Eli 1st, despite knowing that he wasnt going to play for them. It worked out well for both teams involved. SD ended up with Shawn Merriman as a result. If my guys ended up with a Dend like Merriman by playing the leverage game, Id be all for it. Someone would definitely beat their door down for Matt Ryan.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

SD did it a few years ago when they picked Eli 1st, despite knowing that he wasnt going to play for them. It worked out well for both teams involved. SD ended up with Shawn Merriman as a result. If my guys ended up with a Dend like Merriman by playing the leverage game, Id be all for it. Someone would definitely beat their door down for Matt Ryan.

Horrible example which proves my point more than it counters it. San Diego needed a QB, which was why they had so much leverage with the Giants in that trade (aside from the fact that it was well-known that the Giants coveted Eli specifically).

 

[twitch]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

SD did it a few years ago when they picked Eli 1st, despite knowing that he wasnt going to play for them. It worked out well for both teams involved. SD ended up with Shawn Merriman as a result. If my guys ended up with a Dend like Merriman by playing the leverage game, Id be all for it. Someone would definitely beat their door down for Matt Ryan.

Horrible example which proves my point more than it counters it. San Diego needed a QB, which was why they had so much leverage with the Giants in that trade (aside from the fact that it was well-known that the Giants coveted Eli specifically).

Think about what you just said. San Diego NEEDED something. NE doesnt actually need anything right now. They won 18 games last year. Theyve basically filled all of their needs already this offseason. Theyll be atleast a 12-13 win team next season no matter what they do. San Diego drafting a player that everyone knew wouldnt play for them, DESPITE the obvious needs of a 4 win team gave them LESS leverage. NE can actually afford to sit on Ryan. SD had no such luxury. I dont get how you think SD had MORE leverage considering the 2 situations.

 

[stbugs]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

If Ryan is available at #7, NE has huge leverage. Everyone, I mean everyone has Ryan to the Ravens if he falls that far. That means that if Ryan is available at #7, another team, say KC now with the #17, knows that getting the #7 is the only way to get Ryan.

The fact that NE has Brady has no effect other than we know NE won't take Ryan if they get 0 trade offers. Their leverage for every QB hungry team besides Baltimore is that Ryan will 100% be off the board at #8, so their pick is the last chance to get Ryan.

To be honest, if Ryan falls to #7, and the Ravens are in love with Ryan as people say they are, then don't be surprised to see them throw a low pick at NE to ensure that NE doesn't trade the pick, especially if NE is on the clock for a while and the draft falls such that it seems like there isn't a guy they love, i.e. they are trying to trade down.

The funny thing is that I haven't seen any blurbs about KC now with the #17 and a couple other picks deciding to try and trade with NE for the #7 knowing that they can get their DE/OT at #5 and Ryan at #7. Then again Ryan may be gone before #7, so that point may be moot.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

SD did it a few years ago when they picked Eli 1st, despite knowing that he wasnt going to play for them. It worked out well for both teams involved. SD ended up with Shawn Merriman as a result. If my guys ended up with a Dend like Merriman by playing the leverage game, Id be all for it. Someone would definitely beat their door down for Matt Ryan.

Horrible example which proves my point more than it counters it. San Diego needed a QB, which was why they had so much leverage with the Giants in that trade (aside from the fact that it was well-known that the Giants coveted Eli specifically).

Think about what you just said. San Diego NEEDED something. NE doesnt actually need anything right now. They won 18 games last year. Theyve basically filled all of their needs already this offseason. Theyll be atleast a 12-13 win team next season no matter what they do. San Diego drafting a player that everyone knew wouldnt play for them, DESPITE the obvious needs of a 4 win team gave them LESS leverage. NE can actually afford to sit on Ryan. SD had no such luxury. I dont get how you think SD had MORE leverage considering the 2 situations.

Have look at NE's aging defensive back seven, and especially its broken down LB corps, before you talk to me about how they don't need anything. Every team in the NFL has needs because of the salary cap. NE is no exception.

 

[Boston]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

I think you're missing the point here. If Ryan is in the board at #7 it could bode very well for the Pats. All signs point to Baltimore taking Ryan at #8. Therefore if anyone else covets him than they have to go into the #7 slot to obtain him. Not only that but the Pats could have two teams vying for that pick (Baltimore and a possible other team) which only increases the Patriots trade leverage. If this scenario plays out than the Pats get to trade down to a slot that requires less guaranteed money as well as adding a pick or two. IMO that is he scenarion that the Patriots would really like to see.

 

[Boston]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

If Ryan is available at #7, NE has huge leverage. Everyone, I mean everyone has Ryan to the Ravens if he falls that far. That means that if Ryan is available at #7, another team, say KC now with the #17, knows that getting the #7 is the only way to get Ryan.

The fact that NE has Brady has no effect other than we know NE won't take Ryan if they get 0 trade offers. Their leverage for every QB hungry team besides Baltimore is that Ryan will 100% be off the board at #8, so their pick is the last chance to get Ryan.

To be honest, if Ryan falls to #7, and the Ravens are in love with Ryan as people say they are, then don't be surprised to see them throw a low pick at NE to ensure that NE doesn't trade the pick, especially if NE is on the clock for a while and the draft falls such that it seems like there isn't a guy they love, i.e. they are trying to trade down.

The funny thing is that I haven't seen any blurbs about KC now with the #17 and a couple other picks deciding to try and trade with NE for the #7 knowing that they can get their DE/OT at #5 and Ryan at #7. Then again Ryan may be gone before #7, so that point may be moot.

Looks like we were thinking the exact same thing.

 

[twitch]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

SD did it a few years ago when they picked Eli 1st, despite knowing that he wasnt going to play for them. It worked out well for both teams involved. SD ended up with Shawn Merriman as a result. If my guys ended up with a Dend like Merriman by playing the leverage game, Id be all for it. Someone would definitely beat their door down for Matt Ryan.

Horrible example which proves my point more than it counters it. San Diego needed a QB, which was why they had so much leverage with the Giants in that trade (aside from the fact that it was well-known that the Giants coveted Eli specifically).

Think about what you just said. San Diego NEEDED something. NE doesnt actually need anything right now. They won 18 games last year. Theyve basically filled all of their needs already this offseason. Theyll be atleast a 12-13 win team next season no matter what they do. San Diego drafting a player that everyone knew wouldnt play for them, DESPITE the obvious needs of a 4 win team gave them LESS leverage. NE can actually afford to sit on Ryan. SD had no such luxury. I dont get how you think SD had MORE leverage considering the 2 situations.

Have look at NE's aging defensive back seven, and especially its broken down LB corps, before you talk to me about how they don't need anything. Every team in the NFL has needs because of the salary cap. NE is no exception.

Dude, they won 18 games last year. Theyve got the easiest schedule in the league this year. Lets just ask ourselves, "Who has LESS needs than NE"? Like I said, relative to that #1 pick, they dont NEED anything. Theyve got a 2nd rounder and two 3rds where they can fill "needs". Matt Ryan is the best QB in the draft, a franchise QB, and there are ATLEAST 5 or 6 teams that could use him, with the ammunition to acquire him. If he falls to 7, which of course wont happen, NE would be sitting on a gold mine.

 

[GregR_2]

The funny thing here also is that NE has about as little leverage using Banks' rationale as any team could in the NFL. Is a team with Tom Brady really going to credibly threaten to pick Matt Ryan with that pick as a way of getting trade leverage?

Banks never elaborated what the Pats leverage is, and you're misinterpreting what it is here. The Pats leverage has little to do with taking Matt Ryan themselves. Their leverage comes from the fact that they have the #7 pick and the team with the #8 pick, Baltimore, is the team that everyone expects will definitely take Ryan.If you want to get Ryan yourself, you need to jump in front of #8. If you jump up to #4 you're going to pay more than if you jump to #7. So #7 is the cheapest pick you can move up to that would still get you Ryan.

If the Jets want to remove the Pats leverage, they need to either threaten to take Ryan themselves, or get someone to move up to their spot to take him... including possibly Baltimore who could move up just to avoid someone leapfrogging them, if the Jets make the price right.

ETA: Couple of people beat me to it while I was typing.

 

[KarmaPolice]

WOW. So the Jets are trying to get a trading partner and get extra picks so another team doesn't??

Let's not turn this into more than it is- it's just smart draft strategy. We are making it a bigger deal b/c it's the Pats and Jets by each other, but it would probably be the same scenerio if there was another team below them that didn't need a QB and was looking to trade.

 

[womb]

WOW. So the Jets are trying to get a trading partner and get extra picks so another team doesn't?? Let's not turn this into more than it is- it's just smart draft strategy. We are making it a bigger deal b/c it's the Pats and Jets by each other, but it would probably be the same scenerio if there was another team below them that didn't need a QB and was looking to trade.

Don't get me wrong as I believe the Jets will do the smart thing. I just did not understand the reasoning Banks puts forth and to me, if true, it just does not sound good.